New sugar momma with diabetic cat who has swollen face

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@skinky44 - I see from Marje's post that your name is Laura. :)

How is little Skinky doing today, Laura? Has she managed to eat any little bit at all? And how is the swelling? Are the kitty sauna's helping? And how are you in yourself, Laura? You've both been on my mind all day, and in my prayers. (((Skinky and Laura)))


(Sorry for all the questions. It's just that I'm worried about you both.)
 
911 - i have some reason to believe that kitty has Cryptococcosis fungal infection. I was able to get one 150 mg pill of fluconazole. if anyone has experience with this or knows where to post or review, please advise. I am reading that dosages vary from 50mg every 12 hours to 2.5 - 10 mg daily. URGENT. please if anyone has info or experiences with this drug...
 
update. bad day. went to vet mobile where I was supposed to pick up some anti nausea and other meds and go over kitty's symptoms with the vet who has seen her the most. however they left early. went to the &*%$#@ humane society and they were utterly useless. asked for anti nausea med due to her reaction to the app stim. won't give it. asked for sub q fluids as she is not drinking, won't give it. said to call on monday with doctor who has been seeing her. i said if i call on monday i will probably just show up with her dead body, she is dehydrated and not eating and won't make it till monday. they tell me to go to a 24 hour emergency clinic. this is supposed to be a full service vet hospital administering EKGs, xrays, ultrasounds.

Cryptococcosis fungal infection and fluconazole is one of the medicines for this. crypto. demonstrates a lot of symptoms she has. http://www.merckmanuals.com/petheal...ystems_of_cats/fungal_infections_in_cats.html (raspy breathing, nasal lump, eye issues and another site mentioned loss of appetite). please, if anyone has experience with administering this drug to their cats for this fungus please let me know. and please be kind. if it is not this, it is cancer, so I am willing to try this medicine to see if it clears things up.
 
Hi Laura,
I am so sorry that your are facing these roadblocks. I think that some of the knowledgeable people on the Health Forum might be able to help you.
Please start a new post on the Health Forum so that you can get some more eyes on the issue. You can link the present thread to your 911 post on Health by doing the following: 1) Go up to the top of this thread and highlight the subject line. Click the chain-link symbol.
2) Start a new post in the Health Forum. Give your post a title that will get eyes on your question, something like: "911. possible Crypotcoccosis. Please Help".
3) In the body of your post, include the following quote from your most recent post:
911 - i have some reason to believe that kitty has Cryptococcosis fungal infection. I was able to get one 150 mg pill of fluconazole. if anyone has experience with this or knows where to post or review, please advise. I am reading that dosages vary from 50mg every 12 hours to 2.5 - 10 mg daily. URGENT. please if anyone has info or experiences with this drug...

4) Finally, in the body of your post in the Health Forum, provide a reference to this entire thread in the Welcome Forum: Type something like "see my long thread in Welcome to the Group":
Then go up to the Edit button in your Browser and select "paste". A link to this thread will appear and people will be able to read Skinky's whole story.

Please know that we are praying for Skinky to recover and that we hope that you will get some answers. It is so tough to find good vet care on weekends.

:bighug::bighug::bighug:

Ella & Rusty
 
(((((((((Laura and Skinky)))))))))

My heart goes out to you. I've been on the receiving end of behaviour like that from vets in the past.

From now on, I will follow Skinky's progress on your new thread in Feline Health.
 
I wanted to update all of you..
I have "decided" that tomorrow I am bringing my little girl in for...sleep. I say "decided" because I thought I was going to do this today. I can now though, that this is not going to reverse itself. I was syringe feeding her Cat Sure - the only thing that she would hold down, been doing IV fluids, tried anti fungal medication. Friends are coming tomorrow with a car and said they will take me anywhere - a new vet or to the Humane Society for sleep. I suspect when they see her, they will advise the latter. I'm too close to this and to her. She is *always* curling up on my lap and just sleeping. When I try to assess her "quality" of life, well there were really only two things that she loved to do...be loved and eat. One is gone. And so, I've been 50/50 with what to do and praying for miracles. But it's not happening and I can see that she's starting to break down. The facial swelling is just too much and I strongly suspect that right now she is in pain. I am trying to give her tramadol, but this is stressing her out. I think it is time, and I am glad that I will have friends here tomorrow for a brief time. Else, I would, perhaps selfishly or ignorantly, attempt to convince myself tomorrow that I should give it one more day...

I am so sad. My first pet that I will have to do this to. I can't imagine ever getting another animal again. Although she was so much more.

A final "sign". I found someone giving away some Lantus on craigslist yesterday. I responded - this is how much in denial and how hopeful and how up and down I have been with all of this. This poor woman had to put her baby to sleep just recently as well. She is right in my neighborhood and we ended up having a phone conversation about vets in the area (neither of us have good things to say) and feline diabetes, our babies and the great support (and knowledge) we've found on the internet. That phone conversation was today. And a friend who I hadn't heard from in a while called and offered to go with me to do whatever it is that I decide to do. So I think these two people reaching out to me today are also signs that it is time.

I'm sorry for the rambling. I just still feel guilty about waiting too long, and I feel guilty about giving up on her. There could never, ever be another Skinky.
 
Oh Laura ... You're not rambling at all, and my heart aches for you. :bighug: Such an impossible situation... :( I'm relieved to know that you have friends coming to you tomorrow.

I read a little more about the anti-fungal agents. Apparently it may take a little while for symptoms to improve after treatment starts, but the treatment can take some months to complete. I'm very sad to hear that Skinky's still struggling with eating. :(

I know that it's not easy but please try to be gentle on yourself. You have fought very bravely to care for and get help for your beautiful, sweet girl. I am so sorry that so many of the vets you went to made things so difficult. I pray that the vet you go to tomorrow is kind and wise, that they will give you the information and the support that you need to help you at this time, and that you will receive some clear sign of what to do.

We are here for you.

Your baby could not be more loved, and she has really touched my heart. I will keep you both in my prayers.

(((Laura and Skinky)))
 
(((((Laura)))))

While I am very sad for you....very, very sad.....I think you are making the right decision. It is always so difficult to let them go and My husband and I have had to help five of our kitties cross over the years. What I can tell you is that when it is inevitable, waiting until it reaches a crisis and you have to run to the ER is not the way to let them go.

Last year, our sweet boy Gus...who had chronic kidney disease and likely lymphoma, was getting tired. He had lost a lot of weight over the course of his CKD. We just knew the time was coming and we decided we would let him go before he couldn't get out of his bed and while he was still eating. It was hard...so hard; he was an incredible companion. But it was such a gift we gave him to transition from love and light in his own home surrounded by those who adored him and into the arms of peace and comfort. While my husband and I have been haunted over the years when we waited too long, we have had an incredible peace with the way we helped Gus cross.

As much as we love them, as much as we grieve when they are gone, this is a gift you give her for all the love and companionship she has given you.

Fly free, sweet Skinky. Sending you prayers, Laura.
 
Oh Laura ... You're not rambling at all, and my heart aches for you. :bighug: Such an impossible situation... :( I'm relieved to know that you have friends coming to you tomorrow.

I read a little more about the anti-fungal agents. Apparently it may take a little while for symptoms to improve after treatment starts, but the treatment can take some months to complete. I'm very sad to hear that Skinky's still struggling with eating. :(

I know that it's not easy but please try to be gentle on yourself. You have fought very bravely to care for and get help for your beautiful, sweet girl. I am so sorry that so many of the vets you went to made things so difficult. I pray that the vet you go to tomorrow is kind and wise, that they will give you the information and the support that you need to help you at this time, and that you will receive some clear sign of what to do.

We are here for you.

Your baby could not be more loved, and she has really touched my heart. I will keep you both in my prayers.

(((Laura and Skinky)))

Would you believe...she is a little better this morning?? Here I go again.
Last night I was crying as I felt that I waited one - maybe two days too long. Her left side really swelled up and it was affecting her eye. when I would lift her at times it would hurt her. I could hear labored breathing. Maybe fluid in the lungs? I felt so bad that I waited too long. Today, swelling has gone done a little bit. When I lifted her she seemed fine. Maybe the Catsure caused some gas? Still she won't eat a thing.

I have had a difficult time with vets. Yesterday I called two. I specifically asked the desk person to kindly ask the vet if she had any experience treating cryptococcocis. (sp). One place callled me back and said that the vet said I should go to Blue Pearl Animal Hospital. (Everyone refers here. it's kind of odd. I'm not asking about brain or spine surgery here for heaven's sake). The reviews are not great. https://www.google.com/search?q=blu...8#lrd=0x89c25859952a54eb:0xdc7a43a1c7359e7d,1

Anyhow, the other vet's office didn't call back and kept trying to talk me into coming in. I just don't want to go to yet ANOTHER vet only to be told she needs an internist at Blue Pearl, which i KNOW is ridiculously expensive. I think this place was 195 to walk in the door. Or it was 5th Ave Vet.

ANYHOW. My friend who is coming today (I did mention I hadn't been in touch for a while. I've had about 10 operations on my leg/foot/ankle over the last few years. Just not as social with people when it hurts to walk, or all i have to talk about /plan is my next surgery). SO she did mention that she has a vet in the suburbs who she trusts (she feels the same negativity toward vets. Maybe it's a Manhattan thing. But they are RIDICULOUSLY expensive around here) and who doesn't financially try to gauge her. I might just go there today.

The place where I would take her for sleep is the Humane Society. I did speak with the doctor there who I had been seeing for her. I asked him for the anti nausea meds and it was really like pulling teeth, so I let it go and told him that I decided to bring her in for sleep. He said he felt that was the rigth thing to do. But I just don't think that he tried hard enough. Maybe this doctor in Yonkers could help. Maybe the fluconazole is working, perhaps that's why she is a little less swollen. Or am I just being cruel to both of us. to wait till the very end when she is in agony isn't right. Anyhow, this moment I am leaning on trying this suburban vet.

Kitty is in the "sauna" now. I put vaseline around her little nose and turn the shower on to hot water. It helps release the crusties so she can breath. I've always felt if what's in there can be drained... not sure if I mentioned it, but one of the vets said that he could remove her eye in order to access whatever was in the nose and get it out completely.

What to do. What to do.
 
Oh Laura, this is so hard on your head and heart. Please continue to keep us updated and thank you for taking time to let us all know what's happening. I've fallen in love with your baby even tho' I've never touched her. Whatever you decide is best IS best....you've done everything possible and continue to do it. BIG HUGE LOOOOOONG HUG and prayers continue.
 
Sending prayers for guidance and strength. You arent giving up, you are giving in. Whatever you do WILL be the right thing. We support you 100%. I learned in much the same way sometimes we just cant fix everything. God bless.
jeanne
 
Hi Laura,

I really feel for what you're going through but boy did my heart give a flutter when I read that Skinky is feeling a little better today. :) (((Skinky)))

I don't know whether or not this will be of help to you, but in my reading about the anti-fungals, there was repeated mention that the response isn't immediate, but that improvements do tend to appear not too long after treatment commences.

I hope that you go to see the vet your friend trusts. I am so upset that the vet at the (allegedly) Humane Society wouldn't prescribe an anti-nausea med. With nausea-related inappetence the combination of both anti-nausea med and appetite stimulant seem to be a case of the whole being far greater than the sum of the parts. Here's a link to Tisha's story. Tisha experienced severe inappetence as a result of a pancreatitis flare a few months back. Her mom, Lisa, was in a similar predicament as you when it came to getting the right meds. In Tisha's case, she was prescribed anti-nausea meds but no appy stimulant and it was a battle royal to get food into her for a while. Tisha became extremely ill (see posts from about half-way down the first page of the thread) but with the right meds she started eating relatively quickly and the food made a world of difference and greatly asssisted her recovery. Saoirse went through similar last year, too, but thankfully our vets prescribed all the meds she needed fairly quickly.

If the vet in the suburbs will support you with both the anti-nausea and appy stimulant (and maybe something to help Skinky if the swelling is painful) maybe if you could keep Skinky comfortable for just a little more time to give the combination a chance to work and maybe help her to start eating again? A few days with better nutrition could tell you a lot.

Listen to your head, your heart and your gut, Laura. I know how very much you love your baby and how much she loves you. That love will guide you. Sometimes we need enough love to help our babies go through tough treatments to help them get better. Sometimes we need enough love to let them go. I'm praying that you'll get great help from the vet your friend trusts and clear signs about what to do. Maybe you might give Skinky a gentle fuss from me? As with Lyresa, your baby has captured a little corner of my heart, too. She's so brave.

Keeping you both in my thoughts and prayers.

(((((((Laura and Skinky)))))))
 
Hi Laura,

I really feel for what you're going through but boy did my heart give a flutter when I read that Skinky is feeling a little better today. :) (((Skinky)))

I don't know whether or not this will be of help to you, but in my reading about the anti-fungals, there was repeated mention that the response isn't immediate, but that improvements do tend to appear not too long after treatment commences.

I hope that you go to see the vet your friend trusts. I am so upset that the vet at the (allegedly) Humane Society wouldn't prescribe an anti-nausea med. With nausea-related inappetence the combination of both anti-nausea med and appetite stimulant seem to be a case of the whole being far greater than the sum of the parts. Here's a link to Tisha's story. Tisha experienced severe inappetence as a result of a pancreatitis flare a few months back. Her mom, Lisa, was in a similar predicament as you when it came to getting the right meds. In Tisha's case, she was prescribed anti-nausea meds but no appy stimulant and it was a battle royal to get food into her for a while. Tisha became extremely ill (see posts from about half-way down the first page of the thread) but with the right meds she started eating relatively quickly and the food made a world of difference and greatly asssisted her recovery. Saoirse went through similar last year, too, but thankfully our vets prescribed all the meds she needed fairly quickly.

If the vet in the suburbs will support you with both the anti-nausea and appy stimulant (and maybe something to help Skinky if the swelling is painful) maybe if you could keep Skinky comfortable for just a little more time to give the combination a chance to work and maybe help her to start eating again? A few days with better nutrition could tell you a lot.

Listen to your head, your heart and your gut, Laura. I know how very much you love your baby and how much she loves you. That love will guide you. Sometimes we need enough love to help our babies go through tough treatments to help them get better. Sometimes we need enough love to let them go. I'm praying that you'll get great help from the vet your friend trusts and clear signs about what to do. Maybe you might give Skinky a gentle fuss from me? As with Lyresa, your baby has captured a little corner of my heart, too. She's so brave.

Keeping you both in my thoughts and prayers.

(((((((Laura and Skinky)))))))

Critter mom - you are so sweet. All of you people are!
So the well intentioned trip to yonkers did not happen. Car issues. Would have to spend the night at this woman's house, with her two little yappy dogs and bring the IV fluids? Skink would keel. What is it they say of the best intentions...?

HOWEVER. I am am encouraged that she is a little better today and agree w/ you regarding the pills taking time to work. I am however, out of flucotazole. I went back to the pharm that gave me the one pill and they give me another. I can't even get polysporin DROPS for her eye w/o a script. Only the ointment.

I have to say, she looked just awful yesterday. I thought her right eye might be blind, there was redness in it. It's still bad, but a little better today. It's from all of the swelling in the nasal area. Poor thing was uncomfortable last night just resting her head. I felt like a real piece of you know what. She dislikes syringe feeding - what cat doesn't? So I stopped giving her the Cat Sure yesterday, fairly confident I was putting her to sleep today. I just can't believe that her swelling subsided a little, her eye is marginally better (worse than in the picture, but better than last night) and when I touch her nose area - it is still very sore for her, but seems less sore than yesteray... I started feeding her the Cat Sure again. She is in the Kitty Sauna again. Shortly I'll start fluids again. She is just SO strong given all that she's been through and with hardly any nourishment or water.

I asked the vet from the humane society to call me and referenced that i wanted a call in script for the flucotazole. IF he calls, it won't be till after 430. I asked a friend to ask his girlfriend to ask her ob for a script too. I don't have a regular one, else I'd do that. I also made an appt to see the humane society doc for tomorrow morning, but not sure how much use i'll get out of it. there was a cat only vet recommended to me whom I called, tried to get in today, but he can't see me till Thursday. I booked the appt, but informed them that she is really weak and it's possible we might not make it in on Thursday. But at least it's booked. I just hope I don't get the run around to the expensive emergency hospitals. The vet mobile, which I do like, isn't in my area till Fri and Sat.

I think a kind soul has sent me some anti nausea meds...hope to receive today. If I do, I wonder if I should start the app stim/antinausea combo and see if she will drink the cat sure or baby food on her own? I know my own diagnosing isn't at all ideal...I'm just tired of these vets directing me to emergency care for her, which is not at all affordable for me. I will ask the Humane Society doc tomorrow (or even discuss tonight if he calls) about doing a latex agglutination test, which specifically tests for fungus. I dont' why he didn't mention that earlier, especially when he said that it could be fungal related.

And that particular fungus Cryptococcis, can affect their pulmonary system as well, which would explain her labored breathing...

Gosh I hope this guy is cooperative w/ calling in the flucotazole for me. IF it has started working, her last dose was last night and I'd hate to skip a dose. I hope he's not the type that will wait for the test result. I mean I discussed bringing her in for sleep today while in tears, so I don't see why we can't TRY something here. But given that their other doctor, the ice queen, wouldn't even give me fluids on Saturday...I mean she could've just given me the bag without the IV, which I already have.

But yes Critter Mom - have been so hopeful that if I can clear up her nasal passageway, she can smell again, eat again, and regain strength...

I think the prayers from this group have helped... MUCH love and hugs to all of you...and thank you for the support...
 
If you get the anti-nausea meds, I'd try just that first....give it some time and then offer her some food and see if she shows any more interest and/or at least isn't lip smacking. IF she's nauseous, you need to get that under control before using the appetite stimulant.

(((Hugs for you and Skinky)))
 
If you get the anti-nausea meds, I'd try just that first....give it some time and then offer her some food and see if she shows any more interest and/or at least isn't lip smacking. IF she's nauseous, you need to get that under control before using the appetite stimulant.

(((Hugs for you and Skinky)))

Thanks Chris - all the vet offered yesterday when I spoke with him was peptic AC, which isn't working. Anti Nausea meds didn't come. IF vet calls me tonight, I will ask him about meticlopramide or something other than peptic ac...
 
Laura, we Love You. You are Skinky's C h a m p. What a Wonderful Lifelong Champs Pair you are. I have plenty of my own totally absurd problems so not been able to check in on you but believe me we keep root for You!

Simba, Gustav and their Ann
 
Ask for cerenia or a script for ondansetron which is a human medication. Pepcid won't be enough and metilopramide isn't the best one for cats unless that is all that you can get. Prayers your way.
 
Hi Laura,

Just read your update. I'm glad to hear of the kind soul sending you some anti-nausea meds. Hopefully they will get to you very soon. If you can't get ondansetron at first, then metoclopramide can help a little. Our vet initially prescribed a combination of cyproheptadine and metoclopramide for Saoirse. It definitely helped a bit - it got her eating again, but longer term the ondansetron worked much better (metoclopramide doesn't target the right anti-nausea receptors in cats, if I recall correctly). As a stop-gap, some anti-nausea support is better than none at all. In some ways the metoclopramide might be easier to administer at the moment since it's a liquid? I'd also ask the vet whether it's possible to give the pepcid AC alongside the other meds or whether there are any negative interactions. What dose of Pepcid is Skinky getting at the moment?

When you're talking to the vets, I'd suggest asking about something for pain relief for Skinky. Maybe that might help her to eat a bit better, too? Keeping fingers and paws crossed that the cat specialist will be much more helpful - and compassionate.

God willing, if you can get Skinky eating again be prepared for it to be a slow process to get back to normal and you may need to continue assist feeding for a while. Given that her sense of smell is probably not great and it may take some time for that to improve with anti-fungal treatment, Skinky may very well need some bit of coaxing to start eating for quite some time to come. With Saoirse, I'd warm her food a little and/or sprinkle some blitzed freeze-dried chicken treats on top (I think that may be quite strong-tasting/smelling). If she didn't start eating straight away I'd dip my finger into the food and let her lick some off. After a couple of goes at that, she'd get the taste properly and finish the meal under her own steam. Even now, if her appetite's a bit off, I still use these coaxing tricks to kick-start Saoirse's eating. Once she gets going on a meal, she eats away merrily.

I'm so glad that Skinky's managing to eat some of the Cat Sure for you. Tiny amounts frequently can be easier to digest. Following on from Chris's post above, I found it helpful to slightly stagger the doses of anti-nausea and appetite stimulants. I'd give the anti-nausea med, wait about an hour or so and then give the appy stimulant. It then took another little while before Saoirse started showing interest in food. That seemed to help. As the treatment continued, I was able to administer the two meds at around about the same time since by that stage there was a bit of overlap in the period of effectiveness of consecutive doses. In an earlier post, You mentioned above that Cat Sure is the only think Skinky can keep down at the moment. I wonder, has she vomited up white foam at any stage? That can be indicative of excess stomach acid. (Pepcid AC helps that.) Once the food starts going down regularly it can help to break the cycle of build-up of excess stomach acid and subsequent nausea after long periods of fasting.

Prayers shall continue to fly across the waves to you both from the Shire.

((((Laura and Skinky))))
 
Hi Critter Mom,
She has not foamed or thrown up "foam like". She has vomited very little actually. But...the other day I might have over done it with the cat sure. she vomited up the cat sure...and there was some blood in the vomit.

I do think the cat sure *might* upset her stomach a little. There is gurgling afterwards. I think at times there is gas (vet said air?) in her stomach as when I've picked her up she might cry a little. Skinky is very vocal and very whiny - always has been. She probably is in some pain/discomfort at times when i pick her up, but it is hard to gauge with her because, well she's a very vocal maine coon. ANYHOW. I might've mentioned that i got a few squirts of cat ensure into her last night as at some point I was certain I was bringing in for sleep and she really doesn't like being syringed. And as I said, she seemed better today - but noticeably I think she had less discomfort around her midsection. But I don't know what else to feed her. I tried chicken broth and she spat that out. Grinding up food isn't happening for her either. at least with the cat sure I know she is getting some vitamins in.

Am uploading the pic of cat sure/blood and pic of her eye. If anyone has recommendations for medication for her eye that i can ask idiot vet about tomorrow, that would be great. previously tried gentamicin sulfate from another vet. if she gets thru this, am concerned for her eye. i know the fungus can affect the eye, and i think the swelling has really affected her eye as well...

oh, and the vet that I liked (from the van) had given us some toradol that I still have for her...

I could get another shot of convenia for her tomorrow too, although I know a lot of folks seem to greatly frown on it. She has not had any reactions to it the first two times, all three vets had only positive things to say about it, and the first time it seemed to help the most. I CAN understand the concern of it staying in her bloodstream for so long, especially if i'm going to be giving her different drugs...

oh - only as small a piece of peptic as i can. i'm cutting from a 20 mg, so i try to do somewhere between an eigth or slightly larger..

This is great. Preparing my list for tomorrow morning, God willing.
 

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Dear ((((Laura)))),
We have been thinking of you and Skinky a lot and I am amazed at the spunk and courage your kitty has. Since you are considering taking Skinky to Yonkers, perhaps you might think about going a bit further into Westchester. Here's the very best general vet practice I have ever encountered:
Katonah-Bedford Veterinary Center
546 North Bedford Road
Bedford Hills, NY 10507
(914) 241-7700

When our diabetic cat, Stu, was very sick and not strong enough to have the radio-iodine treatment for HyperThyroid, Dr. Mark Peterson (HypurrCat Clinic) sent us to Katonah-Bedford (which was close to his clinic) for stabilization. Unfortunately, Stu not only had HyperT, Chronic Renal Disease, and, of course, Diabetes, but at Katonah-Bedford he was found to have cancer also. We chose to let him go; and I know now that was his wish. Although we were not regular patients (we live in upstate NY and were far from home), the compassion and professionalism we experienced at Katonah-Bedford were wonderful and comforting.

Laura, you are doing everything possible for Skinky. I admire you so much and I know that whatever you (and Skinky) decide on, it will be the right thing to do.

:bighug::bighug::bighug:

Ella & Rusty
 
Cat People! I noticed this on my girls back....she also has a "wound" like thing under her chin. it was pink and fleshy and inverted, but i can't get a pic of it..

Do these look more like fungus or cancer issues or something else?
 

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Dear ((((Laura)))),
We have been thinking of you and Skinky a lot and I am amazed at the spunk and courage your kitty has. Since you are considering taking Skinky to Yonkers, perhaps you might think about going a bit further into Westchester. Here's the very best general vet practice I have ever encountered:
Katonah-Bedford Veterinary Center
546 North Bedford Road
Bedford Hills, NY 10507
(914) 241-7700

When our diabetic cat, Stu, was very sick and not strong enough to have the radio-iodine treatment for HyperThyroid, Dr. Mark Peterson (HypurrCat Clinic) sent us to Katonah-Bedford (which was close to his clinic) for stabilization. Unfortunately, Stu not only had HyperT, Chronic Renal Disease, and, of course, Diabetes, but at Katonah-Bedford he was found to have cancer also. We chose to let him go; and I know now that was his wish. Although we were not regular patients (we live in upstate NY and were far from home), the compassion and professionalism we experienced at Katonah-Bedford were wonderful and comforting.

Laura, you are doing everything possible for Skinky. I admire you so much and I know that whatever you (and Skinky) decide on, it will be the right thing to do.

:bighug::bighug::bighug:

Ella & Rusty

Thank you Ella! I'm going to try to call them tomorrow and check on pricing. Maybe since they are in the burbs it will be more affordable than some of the ones in NYC...and hopefully a little more personal. Got a nice list from another person on this thread as well. You guys are great!!! :):kiss:
 
Can't really tell by looking. A skin scraping might determine what it is.

thx BJ. seeing humane society doc tomorrow and I think I"m better off suggesting things to him...wondering if this might support his analysis of cancer, my thinking of fungus, or not related to either and just from malnutrition...

Thank you!
 
Hi Laura,

(((((((((((((((((((((((((Skinky)))))))))))))))))))))))))

I just want to surround her with a ball of healing.

This reply's going to come in fits 'n' starts. First up, I've no experience with either cancer or fungal infections but from the bit of research I've been doing online for Cryptococcosis it can cause skin lesions. Click on this link to see some pictures from a web search. Do they look anything like the sores you can see on Skinky's skin?

WARNING - some of the pictures aren't very nice.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Cryptococcosis in cats skin lesions images&t=ffcm&ia=images&iax=1

One of the cats in the pictures has lesions under its chin, and in one of the articles I read the cat in question had lesions on its back as well as the nasal swelling.
 
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I've just looked up toradol - not heard of it before - and I see that it's a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). When did you give it to Skinky in relation to when she brought up the vomitus containing blood? Did she have anything in her tummy at all when you gave it to her? I know that NSAIDS like ibuprofen can cause stomach upsets and bleeding in humans and they are not supposed to be taken on an empty stomach for that reason. (I can personally attest to the truth of that.) I'm wondering whether there might be a connection between the two, but please note that this is conjecture on my part. Definitely something to discuss with the vet to see whether the empty tum/NSAIDS might be a reason, or whether something else could be upsetting Skinky's tum.
 
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Hi Busy Critter Mom!
There's one pic there that looks like something she has under her chin, an ulcerated lesion. But all of those pictures look so different from one another. I see the idiot vet tomorrow, so i just want to be prepared to coax/ask/demand the appropriate tests from him, because HS being a nonprofit hospital, i guess what they do offer is inexpensive. Even the discount van said the convenia, at $58.00 was quite reasonable. But as you know from previous posts, he just tends to refer me to the larger emergency places for a CT Scan for her...

As for the toradol, I've used it very rarely with her (didn't want to mix too many drugs, especially where she is so thin....3 ABs, insulin, peptic AC, cpro...) I only used the toradol a few times at night. I think when this happened, it was just me giving her too much CatSure...but the blood concerned me. So, no, she did not have toradol in her when this happened.
 
Look at this pretty baby with the nose swelling....

How is a chronic fungal infection treated?

The most common fungal infection in the nose is caused by Cryptococcus neoformans. Because some of the drugs used to treat this organism are quite expensive and will occasionally cause adverse effects, they are not used unless a firm diagnosis is made. Fortunately, the newer antifungal drugs have fewer significant side effects and many cats with fungal diseases can be successfully treated. If the cat is infected with the feline leukemia virus or feline immunodeficiency virus, the outcome will usually be less favorable.

The image below shows a cat named Parker who came to us with a severe swelling in her nose. Microscopic evaluation of samples collected from her nose showed the fungal organism Cryptococcus. Treatment was started and over time, her nose returned to normal.
 
Remi can sometimes sound uncomfortable when i pick him up. I am not sure if it is because of his IBD, because he gets acid reflux or because his tablets are upsetting his tummy. One way I try to avoid this is to make sure he has food with his tablets or just before/after. I know you are struggling with getting food into skinky so this may be not be possible. Some tablets also need to taken before food such as ondansetron (about 20 minutes before food). I also flush the tablet down with at least 3 ml of water.

Thinking of you both and sending healing vibes.
 
Hi Laura,

I really appreciate how difficult things are for you at the moment. As I mentioned before, I've had difficulties with 'gatekeeper' type vets before (and human doctors of similar ilk). It's tough enough to see our little ones poorly without the additional trauma of having to beg for diagnostic testing and treatments to help them get better. I also know what it's like trying to get help when finances are limited. You're holding things together so well in spite of all you're contending with. (((Laura))) You've got your hands full trying to get some nutrition into your little one. If I can help by tracking down some info for you, I'm only too glad to do so. :) Wish I could do more ...

Definitely you need to let the vet know about the blood in the vomitus. I had another gander online and excess stomach acid may be another possible cause - feasible considering she hasn't been eating properly and the nausea may be indicative of excess stomach acid production - but it's definitely something you need to investigate with the vet.

The Pepcid dose that you're giving is the same as my vet prescribed for Saoirse. I think I've seen some cats here prescribed a slightly higher dose, but I can't remember what that dosage was. Perhaps you could ask the vet about dosages.

I've found a link to a very good video with a vet talking about cause, diagnosis and treatment of cryptococcosis. She mentions the latex agglutination test for diagnosis. In the video the vet advises that the fungal infection can be a sign of an underlying problem that's affecting the cat's immune system and she emphasises the importance of checking for and treating any underlying conditions. She also gives a good indication of how long it takes to treat the condition. With the proviso that I don't have any experience with cryptococcosis, the presentation comes across to me as quite comprehensive, well-researched and balanced. I've seen some of her other videos on subjects of which I have some knowledge and experience, and I've found her advice to be generally quite accurate (with a sales pitch for Mercola products, granted!) . I hope that you find it helpful, and it might give you some pointers about how to handle your consult with the vet at the Humane Society tomorrow.

For what it's worth, I got brushed off by the vet I took Saoirse to when I first knew something was seriously wrong with her last summer and she got an initial Dx of 'old lady'. Just as you know your baby better than anyone else in the world, I know my girl and I knew there was something not age-related wrong with her. It scared the willies out of me to go back a couple of weeks later to demand she be tested for diabetes, but my baby was depending on me and I am so glad that I didn't accept the first vet's opinion and I got her the help she needed. Also, I wasn't happy about the protocol they use for treatment of feline diabetics. Luckily we moved to another practice shortly afterwards and both the feline diabetes treatment protocol and the general approach to patient care and client collaboration was much better. I've got better at asserting myself with the vets now and asking about treatments, tests etc. that I want for Saoirse instead of waiting to be told what she's going to get. It took time to find the right vet, but the difference is fantastic. We are partners in Saoirse's care, and she's doing great as a consequence. I fervently wish the same for you and Skinky, and I pray to God that you will come away tomorrow with all the medication she needs to give her a fighting chance. If Skinky were my cat I'd be looking to ensure she has:

- an appetite stimulant.
- a decent anti-nausea treatment (the vet might be able to give her a Cerenia injection and an Rx for some ondansetron generic for continued home treatment).
- something for pain.
- assuming cryptococcosis is the cause of the swelling, an Rx for more of the fluconazole.
- depending on the vet's assessment, something else may be needed to help with any underlying condition he may find.
- something for her eye.

Needless to say, I'd want to get an idea of any drug side effects to look out for and possible interactions.

With respect to the Cat Sure, I think the right food for Skinky just now is anything she can eat. Hopefully tiny amounts frequently will help her. If you can get her stabilized on that and eating a bit better there's a recipe for a liver shake for sick cats that members here have found helpful for their cats that you might want to consider if Skinky continues to have trouble with her regular food. I've not tried the liver shake, but when I was nursing Saoirse through her pancreatitis flare I did feed Saoirse a liquid commercial food that was chicken meat and chicken liver based and it helped her a great deal.

With respect to the Convenia, Saoirse has been given it in the past but since I learned more about it I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with her getting it again. I do wonder whether it may have been a contributing factor in the duration of her diarrhoea during the pancreatitis flare, but I have no research to back up that concern: it's just conjecture on my part. From what I've read since, one of the reasons for Convenia being a popular treatment choice for vets is that some caregivers aren't as compliant as they might be when administering courses of antibiotics, particularly if their cats are difficult to pill. Again, something for you to discuss with the vet.

I am hoping and praying that your consult will go well with the HS vet today, and that he will give you the help and advice you need to help your beloved baby girl. My thoughts will be with you both. Blessings to you both.

((((Laura and Skinky))))

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I've just seen the pics of the kitty successfully treated. Fingers and paws crossed that if it's the fungal infection you're dealing with that the same could happen for Skinky.
 
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You've been givging ANTIbiotics. It may be helpful to give PRObiotics a few hours later to replenish the good bacteria killed off by the antibiotics. It may help with some of the GI issues. Forti Flora is one product many cats find very palatable as its in an animal digest base.
 
Hi Laura,

Just checking in to send a wish that the vet will listen, be considerate, and most of all give you all the things you need to help your baby girl without any more hassle. I hope Skinky managed to get a bit more food down for you.

I think I'm going to be asleep for a few hours (health problem means I have difficulty with sleeping) so I wanted to send you both some hugs. Keeping you both in my thoughts and prayers.

(((((((((Laura and Skinky)))))))))
 
Hi Laura,

Just checking in to let you know I'm thinking of you and praying for you both. Everything's crossed here that the vet visit goes well and that your baby's feeling a bit better today.

((((Laura & Skinky))))

:bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
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Thanks everyone! Quick update... Had a very decent visit at the vet. B12 shot, cerenia injection, some fluids, he gave ointment which is also otc for her eye, said no antibiotics for the eye, it's that the fluid is pushing her eye and making it uncomfortable. got scripts for flucozarole compound and ringers solution. trying to call around for these things....turning into an all day thing... but found one place for the fluc compound which I'm very anxious to get into her...will get that later tonight....have to return to another place tomorrow to pick up more fluids. Ringers Solution difficult to find, guess there's a hospital shortage of it.

The issue with diagnostics, besides cost, is anesthetizing her for a tissue sample from her nose to confirm/deny fungus. I believe I was getting some results from the fluc pill I lucked out in getting...but last dosage was mon night, she was better tues morning...anxious to try to keep that stream in her. vet suggested hills a/d and tonight will pick up a can or 2 of that for her and try to syringe that into her...she gurgles after the cat sure, but she really needs some nourishment. She's still trotting..at times. can jump into and out of the tub on her own, although i prefer to assist her if i see that she needs to to jump in (this is where the litter box is).

so can't get the fluc compound till around 7 pm tonight, which is when i'll get the Hill's a/d. then I'll have to figure out whether or not to administer the app stim. Ondansetron can be given along w/ cerenia injection? doc still encoraged peptic ac

BJM _ will check into forti flora at store tonight. good idea. thank you!
 
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Yay!!!!! :) :) :)

Will post a bit more later, but I just had to send this quick reply to tell you I'm s0000000 happy for you that the visit went well. I could kiss the vet for helping you at last.

Well done you :bighug: and sending lots of the gentlest healing scritches for your beautiful girl.
 
PS ...

Try posting on Feline Health to ask where you might be able to get some Ringer's Solution - I suggest calling the topic. "Sick Kitty in NYC - Where can I get Ringer's Solution ASAP?
 
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Yay!!!!! :) :) :)

Will post a bit more later, but I just had to send this quick reply to tell you I'm s0000000 happy for you that the visit went well. I could kiss the vet for helping you at last.

Well done you :bighug: and sending lots of the gentlest healing scritches for your beautiful girl.

Thank you CM! :) :) :)
I think he sees that I really care for her but am restricted with funds for some things. And I think he feels uncomfortable administering certain tests due to anesthesia and her weakened condition. I swear he gave me a break too on costs...B12 for 10.00? I think that's pretty cheap. I had to sign off on the fruc drug, that I understand we have not confirmed diagnosis and this could have a negative effect on her...but based on what I saw with the one pill I was able to get, I am hopeful. I guess if it's not this fungus, his hunch is she has a cancerous nasal tumor. This vet felt if it explodes on its own, it would be very bad. the other vet thought it would be a good thing, i guess provided it's not cancerous. but no one wants to anesthetize her as she is so frail and weak. although she gave them a helluva fight when they were paw-handling her.

so, I feel that this guy today really worked with me. And, I could not have done it without all of you folks...and special shout out to Diane GC from the FB page who kept suggesting fungus related. From doing my research on it, when the doc initially asked about how long ago I moved and that the time period wouldn't add up (previous apt was in times square - dirty place, pigeons outside window, this fungus can be transmitted thru kitty inhalation of pigeon feces dust) I was able to counter strongly with my knowledge of an 11 month incubation period. boy did i feel smart. but he really, really listened to my concerns and tried to help and i was appreciative.

but didn't know i could take celeria with that anti nausea drug that begins with an O at the same time? anyhow. compounding pharmacy called and fluc. is ready. so gotta go wobble over there and try to get some food into this girl's belly. she's had extremely little since monday night. maybe 1/4 can of cat sure all day. going to try to syringe a little of the science diet ad into her later...

wish us luck!
 
oh i can get the ringers solution from this same uptown pet pharmacy...i just have to go back tomorrow to get it as they have none left today. and since she got a dosage today at the vet's she is good till i can get there tomorrow... :)

thank you!
 
WOOT WOOT!! BIG DANCE! Lots of good news here! Prayers still continue - it's still a looooong road but sounds like you FINALLY found someone that cares!!!

HUGS AND HUGS!
 
Cool that you've found a source, Laura!

I've not given Cerenia and ondansetron together. I just checked Saoirse's journal and the one time she had a Cerenia injection the benefits lasted for about 36 hours. After the Cerenia wore off I gave her more anti-nausea medication. I imagine it can vary based on an individual cat's metabolism. Might be an idea to chat to the pharmacist about it.

I'm relieved to hear you're managing to keep getting some bit of food into Skinky and that she's keeping it down.

Wishing you both tanker-fulls of good luck!

((((Laura & Skinky))))
 
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When remi was very poorly I did give both cerenia and ondansetron. The cerenia may work better for the sickness and cerenia for the nausea. If you have to go back to the vet still push for the ondansetron.

Great news, my thoughts are with you both.
 
Laura and Skinky


Just a very important note - On Cats that much stomach blood and on top of it too besides the brighter red fresh blood, that huge amount of livaraged old dark red thick blood - is never under any circumstances normal.

Cats are not as humans stomachs, first they have a much much much more High Acid Low pH value in their stomach and subsequently different stomach membrans according to that.
So cats hardly never throws so much direct both old dark thickened blood and brighter fresh red blood from the stomach unless serious stomach ruptures of some kind.
Gustav's stomach membranes quick burst when I accidently overdosed him with an on cat's prohibited Anti-Inflammtory Anti-Pain med Tolfedine. It is allowed to be prescribed for them, but under strict control, of e x a c t weight and amount calculation, and he was supposed to have a tiny bit only one time a day, but had antibiotics too given the ordinary twice a day, so I was a little too fast there thinking 'antibiotics two times a day' , and instantly realised my prescribed Tolfedine mistake and bang it said his stomach ruptured and he threw up blood, and swoosh I drove him emergency straight into hospital telling my mistake and for them to help him get it out of him. He got bitter Zantac for acid stabilisation. And thankfully got home alright.

Simba had a lot of intestine and stomach blood in relation to a severe Hyper-T developed in 2011, which the radioactive iodine cured.


Just stay on top of that stomach blood in Skinky.
The cause could be more than one multi-factor.


Also, the ulcerations wounds, Simba also got struck by the w o r s t hellish kind of vet maltreatment related staphyloccous infection his horrible pics! http://felinediseases.weebly.com/staphylococcus.html
For it in his ears I had a combo fungus bacteria ear Fucidine, but for all in his face all over, neck, throat e.t.c only persistent pure clean medic alcohol Klorhexidine, rubbed washed several times a day on clean new separate cotton pads, and everything of our diabetes things touching him cleansed too, since those damn staph bacterias moved and spread fast as hell on him, and even me, just by tiniest breathing near them. His severe maltreated diabetes and pacreatitis with everything, bodily resistant weakened him so much that these staphs who are latent in all skin explode attacked him. We worked haaard, 24 hour around the clock Simba, Gustav and I to save him.
 
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@Ann & Scatcats - is there anything Laura could do for Skinky with the medicine she has at the moment. I believe she has Pepcid AC. Or should she do something else?

(I hope it's OK for me to ask on her behalf. )
 
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