Help.. Seizure

Status
Not open for further replies.
Squalliesmom said:
Nice! One or two more and you can go have a much-deserved rest! Test him again in about 30 minutes.
Click to expand...
I will do my best.. This is when i normally sleep, I work nights. He is acting pretty normal which is good, drinking water.. I feel pretty confident he is out of the woods. I wil monitor thru out sleep. I will update when i can. Thank you for everyones help.
 
If you can, try to get at least one more test in about a half-hour or so, just to make sure his numbers are still rising! Nice work, handling this hypo!I know you must be exhausted. :bighug:
 
Glad you had these amazing members to help you! I don't know how much I could have helped, I had logged off a little before you posted. Hypo kit is definitely a great idea. I got one together shortly after Maury was diagnosed, even with his preshots staying in 400-500 range, because I live alone. Hope you got some rest in between. :bighug:

Ironically, I was thinking this morning that it is a shame we don't have a Pet 9-1-1 that you can call in emergencies and will come to you if you can't get to them.:(
 
Yong said:
Glad you had these amazing members to help you! I don't know how much I could have helped, I had logged off a little before you posted. Hypo kit is definitely a great idea. I got one together shortly after Maury was diagnosed, even with his preshots staying in 400-500 range, because I live alone. Hope you got some rest in between. :bighug:

Ironically, I was thinking this morning that it is a shame we don't have a Pet 9-1-1 that you can call in emergencies and will come to you if you can't get to them.:(
Click to expand...
Years ago I had a beloved Springer Spaniel who somebody shot and I couldn't get him to the vet because we only had one car and my husband was at work. (We are very rural) The vet was about 20-25 minutes away. Two of their techs - I never even knew their names - volunteered to come and get Alfie and take him back to the vet. They came right away and picked him up and never charged me or even asked for gas money. I will never forget their kindness. Unfortunately, our Alfie didn't make it, but not for lack of trying on the part of many people!
 
Was this of any help? When I looked at your profile/location (usually Google Maps pops up) I just did what I could. Please don't thank me, it took 5 minutes. Like Yong said, there has to be a better way. I have a fridge magnet for pet poisonings BUT FIRST you have to wait (Your call is important to us) and then have your Visa ready for a $100 "donation".
Washington State University Veterinary Teaching Hospital Main Hospital
Switchboard & Emergencies: 509-335-0711
The sun will shine tomorrow and someone will be on the pillow with you.
Cynthia and Dickson
 
Hello everyone i am back. His last number was 466. Which is high. He is fine and back to normal. I will not be giving him a shot until i can get him to the vet tomorrow. I dont know why it dropped so low with such a high bs number. I guess it's time to change his dose. I remember there was a chart of some kind about correct dosage i dont remember where it is.. Can anyone help? Written by bjm i think? Thank you so much everyone i wouldn't have kept my sanity without you guys helping me along the way. Miel means honey, and honey saved his life. I hope i dont ever have to see that again, It was traumatic.
 
Noah & me said:
Was this of any help? When I looked at your profile/location (usually Google Maps pops up) I just did what I could. Please don't thank me, it took 5 minutes. Like Yong said, there has to be a better way. I have a fridge magnet for pet poisonings BUT FIRST you have to wait (Your call is important to us) and then have your Visa ready for a $100 "donation".
Washington State University Veterinary Teaching Hospital Main Hospital
Switchboard & Emergencies: 509-335-0711
The sun will shine tomorrow and someone will be on the pillow with you.
Cynthia and Dickson
Click to expand...
Thanks but this is 7hrs away from me. Closest would be to portland but my car isnt reliable i could not drive him there.
 
Squalliesmom said:
Years ago I had a beloved Springer Spaniel who somebody shot and I couldn't get him to the vet because we only had one car and my husband was at work. (We are very rural) The vet was about 20-25 minutes away. Two of their techs - I never even knew their names - volunteered to come and get Alfie and take him back to the vet. They came right away and picked him up and never charged me or even asked for gas money. I will never forget their kindness. Unfortunately, our Alfie didn't make it, but not for lack of trying on the part of many people!
Click to expand...
That is wonderful they did that for you.. Sad story though. I very much wish they would do something like that here... Its so small.
 
jayla-n-Drevon said:
I think the expert could help with dosing much better than a vet but not without data.
Marje will help with ss
Click to expand...
Ive been adjusting his dosage for two years basically by myself and with help from this amazing site. I need to find the chart i used before (for vetsulin) but i dont know how. I write stuff down by hand i dont use computers for it.. Ive never experienced anything like this so i am now second guessing my ability. Going to the vet to make sure he is a ok and to see what they say.. I usually give him a much lower dose than what they tell me. Recently his bs # went from 200s to 400s for no reason i could figure out.. Still figuring out correct dosage for this abrupt change.
 
mirnta said:
Ive been adjusting his dosage for two years basically by myself and with help from this amazing site. I need to find the chart i used before (for vetsulin) but i dont know how. I write stuff down by hand i dont use computers for it.. Ive never experienced anything like this so i am now second guessing my ability. Going to the vet to make sure he is a ok and to see what they say.. I usually give him a much lower dose than what they tell me. Recently his bs # went from 200s to 400s for no reason i could figure out.. Still figuring out correct dosage for this abrupt change.
Click to expand...
You can do the spreadsheet we use right on your phone using Google Sheets. The higher number is a bounce, but I wouldn't skip a dose! Just back it down a bit. What was his preshot reading and what was the dose you gave him?
 
So glad to hear Miel is doing Ok after that scare.
mirnta said:
Recently his bs # went from 200s to 400s for no reason i could figure out..
Click to expand...
It's quite possible that Miel has been dropping to some unaccustomed numbers and bouncing which is likely the reason you got that high pre-shot number today. Mammals all have a built in defense system that works to prevent hypoglycemia and in diabetics, that system tends to jump into action prematurely because the body is used to higher BG levels and thinks even normal numbers are too low. I agree with Janet. Skipping shots is not necessary but a reduced dose definitely is.
If you could set up a spreadsheet and post some of the recent data you have been getting, I'm sure we can help you figure out how to best help Miel and keep him safe.
 
I need to know more on what constitutes a seizure. Rigidness? Blocked airway? Timeline? It's like a "broken bone" which could mean anything from a hairline fracture to a compound fracture. It's all the things I DON'T know that scare the crap out of me along with myths, misconceptions, bad advice etc.
 
Noah & me said:
I need to know more on what constitutes a seizure. Rigidness? Blocked airway? Timeline? It's like a "broken bone" which could mean anything from a hairline fracture to a compound fracture. It's all the things I DON'T know that scare the crap out of me along with myths, misconceptions, bad advice etc.
Click to expand...
Youve never seen seizure? Their body just flips out and then goes rigid. Then he made some horrible meows
 
JanetNJ said:
You can do the spreadsheet we use right on your phone using Google Sheets. The higher number is a bounce, but I wouldn't skip a dose! Just back it down a bit. What was his preshot reading and what was the dose you gave him?
Click to expand...
I do know there is a spreadsheet ppl have been trying to convince me to use it for a while.. I just dont work well that kind of stuff. I write it by hand. Today i started dosing again.. His bs was 474. I reduced dose to one unit from 2.25 Gonna see how that goes.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
So glad to hear Miel is doing Ok after that scare.

It's quite possible that Miel has been dropping to some unaccustomed numbers and bouncing which is likely the reason you got that high pre-shot number today. Mammals all have a built in defense system that works to prevent hypoglycemia and in diabetics, that system tends to jump into action prematurely because the body is used to higher BG levels and thinks even normal numbers are too low. I agree with Janet. Skipping shots is not necessary but a reduced dose definitely is.
If you could set up a spreadsheet and post some of the recent data you have been getting, I'm sure we can help you figure out how to best help Miel and keep him safe.
Click to expand...
Good to know, thanks.. I dropped my dose to 1 unit today we'll see....
 
I don't know what mid cycle tests you are currently taking if any but I would suggest that you test Miel about 2.5 to 3 hours post shot to see what his reading is. This will give you a good idea of how fast he is dropping and whether you need to monitor further through the cycle. We normally only changes doses by 0.25u to 0.5u each time but given his recent hypo event, I can well understand your desire to prevent any repeat episode.

I don't want to pressure you but the spreadsheet is extremely simple to use. You simply enter your readings and it automatically colour codes them which can be extremely helpful when it comes to looking for patterns over time and those patterns are what gives you clues as to how to adjust doses. Setting the spreadsheet up can be a little tricky but if you want to try it, we can have someone set it up for you. The spreadsheet would only be available to the folks on this forum who have the URL and with that data available, we can assist you to get Miel better regulated and prevent any more terrifying and exhausting vigils. :D
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
I don't know what mid cycle tests you are currently taking if any but I would suggest that you test Miel about 2.5 to 3 hours post shot to see what his reading is. This will give you a good idea of how fast he is dropping and whether you need to monitor further through the cycle. We normally only changes doses by 0.25u to 0.5u each time but given his recent hypo event, I can well understand your desire to prevent any repeat episode.

I don't want to pressure you but the spreadsheet is extremely simple to use. You simply enter your readings and it automatically colour codes them which can be extremely helpful when it comes to looking for patterns over time and those patterns are what gives you clues as to how to adjust doses. Setting the spreadsheet up can be a little tricky but if you want to try it, we can have someone set it up for you. The spreadsheet would only be available to the folks on this forum who have the URL and with that data available, we can assist you to get Miel better regulated and prevent any more terrifying and exhausting vigils. :D
Click to expand...
Yea i wanted to play it extremely safe which is why i went that low. I dont test everyday, hes been doing so well i didn't feel it was necessary.. I will be more vigilant now of course.. I will test again in a little bit.
 
mirnta said:
Youve never seen seizure? Their body just flips out and then goes rigid. Then he made some horrible meows
Click to expand...
I've seen two in humans, one a Grand Mal and one in someone who was shutting down, cancer everywhere. If it happens to me I need to know if the airway is blocked, what I should or should not do. That brings back an awful memory, I'll swear to the day I die I saw someone's facial bone structure change that night.
 
It was
Noah & me said:
I've seen two in humans, one a Grand Mal and one in someone who was shutting down, cancer everywhere. If it happens to me I need to know if the airway is blocked, what I should or should not do. That brings back an awful memory, I'll swear to the day I die I saw someone's facial bone structure change that night.
Click to expand...
it was one of the worst things ive ever seen... I thought he was dead.. But he was clearly breathing.. But catatonic, excuse the pun.
 
mirnta said:
It was
it was one of the worst things ive ever seen... I thought he was dead.. But he was clearly breathing.. But catatonic, excuse the pun.
Click to expand...
We take so many things for granted, "a seizure is a seizure" but there has to be more to it than that. Frothing at the mouth, rigid limbs, pupils dilated, rapid or slow breathing. I'm not complaining, I clearly need more education and I just get the brush-off from vets, "Not likely to happen". I'm NOT prepared. We were told Border Collies are at risk for Epilepsy, "Goodbye". It's annoying that people think we either don't care or cannot digest such complicated medical information, like a diabetic cat. Kind of insulting actually.
On Sunday I thought of everything else that could have gone wrong; power failure, no internet, computer or phone craps out, cat chewed through a cable, the one member who you knew you could count on had a family emergency. I just watched the whole thing unfold in front of me in awe.
 
Noah & me said:
We take so many things for granted, "a seizure is a seizure" but there has to be more to it than that. Frothing at the mouth, rigid limbs, pupils dilated, rapid or slow breathing. I'm not complaining, I clearly need more education and I just get the brush-off from vets, "Not likely to happen". I'm NOT prepared. We were told Border Collies are at risk for Epilepsy, "Goodbye". It's annoying that people think we either don't care or cannot digest such complicated medical information, like a diabetic cat. Kind of insulting actually.
On Sunday I thought of everything else that could have gone wrong; power failure, no internet, computer or phone craps out, cat chewed through a cable, the one member who you knew you could count on had a family emergency. I just watched the whole thing unfold in front of me in awe.
Click to expand...
My former vet is the one who diagnosed Squallie's FD: she started him at 5U twice a day and then upped it to 6U just two days later. I had no idea that that was a whopping huge dose! She told me not to test him, and if he had a hypo "I'd know." Well, no, I wouldn't, and she wouldn't give me any details, just kept telling me I'd know. SO many reasons why she's my former vet!
 
Squalliesmom said:
My former vet is the one who diagnosed Squallie's FD: she started him at 5U twice a day and then upped it to 6U just two days later. I had no idea that that was a whopping huge dose! She told me not to test him, and if he had a hypo "I'd know." Well, no, I wouldn't, and she wouldn't give me any details, just kept telling me I'd know. SO many reasons why she's my former vet!
Click to expand...
Ick thats horrible.. I constantly bite my tongue when talking to vets, occasionally ill glean some decent info from them that ive never heard before, but it's rare. Miel's nadir today is 288. High but much better than hypo! Ill slowly raise dosage when i feel its time.
 
mirnta said:
Ick thats horrible.. I constantly bite my tongue when talking to vets, occasionally ill glean some decent info from them that ive never heard before, but it's rare. Miel's nadir today is 288. High but much better than hypo! Ill slowly raise dosage when i feel its time.
Click to expand...
The problem is that vets get very little training in school regarding feline diabetes. They also don't see a whole lot of diabetic cats, they see more diabetic dogs, and I think they carry over some of the methods used with dogs when it comes to dealing with cats. But cats are a whole different ballgame, and the treatment, while still involving insulin, is vastly different. That's part of the benefit of FDMB; here, there are people who live with FD every day of their lives, some for years, and sometimes, they know a lot more than the vets because of that.

We could better help you if we could convince you to set up a spreadsheet, lol! It really isn't as difficult to work with as it may seem - I was terrified of it and put off setting it up for quite a while. Now I don't know what I'd do without it! Once the sheet is set up, it's just data entry, recording shots and test results. I'm not technically-minded at all, so someone set mine up for me. If you'd like someone to set one up for you just sing out, there are lots of folks here who will be glad to do it. :):):)
 
Squalliesmom said:
SO many reasons why she's my former vet!
Click to expand...
I casually mentioned this site to a tech and the "Once a week some vet says "Don't bother to test"" She was not the least bit surprised. She knows I have a friend with a diabetic dog who has her dog pee on the strip instead of using a meter. It's not the blood thing or the cost, some people could find out their vets are war criminals and it wouldn't change their mind. Last night on the news was another story about chiropractors who can cure cancer. I've gone to chiropractors for 40 years. Like anything else, if something doesn't seem right, leave and don't come back.
 
Squalliesmom said:
The problem is that vets get very little training in school regarding feline diabetes. They also don't see a whole lot of diabetic cats, they see more diabetic dogs, and I think they carry over some of the methods used with dogs when it comes to dealing with cats. But cats are a whole different ballgame, and the treatment, while still involving insulin, is vastly different. That's part of the benefit of FDMB; here, there are people who live with FD every day of their lives, some for years, and sometimes, they know a lot more than the vets because of that.

We could better help you if we could convince you to set up a spreadsheet, lol! It really isn't as difficult to work with as it may seem - I was terrified of it and put off setting it up for quite a while. Now I don't know what I'd do without it! Once the sheet is set up, it's just data entry, recording shots and test results. I'm not technically-minded at all, so someone set mine up for me. If you'd like someone to set one up for you just sing out, there are lots of folks here who will be glad to do it. :):):)
Click to expand...
Yea the vet i talked to was like.. Well one seizure is ok! If its more than one then its a problem, i kinda tuned out after that ...why is the spreadsheet better than doing by hand? Im an old fashioned gal really. Also i have to get in the habit of testing more frequently now with this scare.. Sigh.. He was just doing so well!!!
 
mirnta said:
Yea the vet i talked to was like.. Well one seizure is ok! If its more than one then its a problem, i kinda tuned out after that ...why is the spreadsheet better than doing by hand? Im an old fashioned gal really. Also i have to get in the habit of testing more frequently now with this scare.. Sigh.. He was just doing so well!!!
Click to expand...
The spreadsheet we use here is viewable by all members so if you come here with a question we can look at your kitty's BG history to see what's going on. We need to see patterns over time and BG numbers in context. It's hard to make judgments or give advice when you post only a few recent readings and want help.

So long as you have access to a computer there are techie folks here who will set up the spreadsheet for you. It's very easy to use.
 
Spreadsheet isn't necessarily better but like Kris said, we use it to look at your kitty's patterns :). I have all of Maury's results on paper because I like physical hard copies too ;). When I come to the computer I just fill in the sheet and it automatically updates.

Add-on: Letting members see your published spreadsheet on the forum can be very beneficial to you. If I remember you are in a very rural area with no emergency vet / clinic nearby. People here might be your only immediate help like when the thread first started. :bighug:
 
Last edited:
Yong said:
I have all of Maury's results on paper because I like physical hard copies too . :bighug:
Click to expand...
You sound like me, I need to hold things in my hands.
ALSO... If you're trying to communicate with someone 100 miles away and they can't open the file you've just sent you always have the option of a fax machine. Almost every drugstore and motel/hotel will have one.
 
As others have stated, yes, it is important for us to be able to look at a spreadsheet that shows how your kitty deals with insulin and any patterns that have developed, taking into account dose changes, food changes changes in meds, etc. If we can see these things at a glance we will be better able to help you or give you advice. You can also send the link to your spreadsheet to your vet; that way they also can bring it up immediately to see what's going on, which helpful if you have questions for the vet, and is especially helpful if you have an emergency! :cat:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top