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Logan & Sandy

Logan & Sandy

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@Deb & Wink @JanetNJ Logan has been given a hair over 1 unit as of 2/8 trying to get him regulated.. this is all a process. This morning for amps he was 288. Up down, down up.. he seems to be so sensitive to carbs, insulin..and life.
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Nice picture of the syringe, and shows how far you drew up the insulin. Glad to see you have the syringes with the 1/2 unit markings. Those are really helpful.
ECID Every Cat is Different. It takes as long as it takes to get Logan regulated and get his BG levels better.

You asked me in your last thread how long it took me to get Wink into remission. Well, Wink was a shelter cat, a foster cat. He had been on 2 different insulins. Very high carb dry food when I took him in as a foster. He was a dry food addict, I kid you not. Once I got him off the high carb dry food and eating wet, he went OTJ (remission) fairly quickly. But it was a struggle to get him to realize that wet food was yummy. Best part, his severe diabetic neuropathy completely reversed itself, as did the dandruff, the huge patches of his fur that had fallen out, and so many other things.

I ended up adopting him, and lost him to severe HCM almost 4 years ago. There is a profile in my User Id Signature. Don't read it unless you are ready to cry your eyes out. It's not a happy ending.
 
@Deb & Wink certain cats really make it for us,.. (thx for sharing) I lost my number 1 favorite cat a little black n white tux named Donna.. she was so very special.. she passed feb 16 2020..congestive heart failure.. in one weeks time.. broke my heart. she used to put her paws around my neck and lick my chin..I do plan to read about Wink.. you were lucky to get him into remission.. am sorry for your loss.. its always hard to lose that special one.. tonite logans PMPS is 351.. 100 less than last nite PMPS.. he was 258 at +7 last nite.. but i think i missed his low,, i should have gotten it at +5or+6.. I just worry that i may not get him regulated before this causes him damage.. PS when i tried to read what you were talking about it showed this: This member limits who may view their full profile. maybe send me a private msg?
 
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tonite logans PMPS is 351.. 100 less than last nite PMPS.. he was 258 at +7 last nite.. but i think i missed his low,, i should have gotten it at +5or+6.. I just worry that i may not get him regulated before this causes him damage..
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If Logan doesn't come back down into some nicer low blues and green BG numbers. I think you might have to increase the dose again. You want him to spend more time in those blue and green BG numbers, so his pancreas can rest and heal.
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when i tried to read what you were talking about it showed this: This member limits who may view their full profile. maybe send me a private msg?
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I obviously didn't explain that well.

What I meant was if you look at the end of my posts, there is my signature. After all the important info, after the blue link for Wink's SS, there is a second link to a more detailed profile about Wink and his family. It's called Wink's Profile. All you have to do is click on that to open it. It's a shared view only document, in a word processing format type Google doc.

Profiles like that weren't terribly common back when I joined the message board in 2013 but they were encouraged. You hardly ever see something like that anymore on here. It's mostly a loving tribute to Wink now.
 
@Deb & Wink thx i will look at that... my 17 yr ole niece came to visit that we havent seen for a few months tonite, so i have to keep this short,,Logan at +3 was 206 and for the pmps he was 263... (I wasn't able to test more today..) do you still think I should raise him again..?? say to 1.25?? thx deb.. sandy
 
@Deb & Wink Hi, thx... maya our niece will be here tonite too and possibly fri, nite,, plus i hav to wk at art gallery tonite.. i can't get suzanne to test.. but she will do the shot,, but i think I tested at (1016AM.).+3 bg212.and then I plan to test at +6 then at +9. I'm a little hesitant to go up to 1.25.. but maybe thats best? he's been kinda high (obviously..) i was also toying with going with 1.10.. but if you think that 1.25 would be best then I will have her give him that tonite,, also I tried to find that link about Wink.. at the end of your posts,, but i guess i must be missing something,,? i don't know.. hope you are ok over there,, pS I just found it,, showing the 3 year aniversary,, yes it did bring some tears,, You loved him.. Feb 16 marks one year for Donna.. she went so fast,, i noticed her legs gathered fluid,, took her 2 vet,, he thought she had been bit by a bug and gave me meds, to give her,, didn't wk, he said her heart was ok,, within one week she was gone. we are convinced it was her heart,, as her body collected so much fluid within that week, and then she passed,and i was crushed to lose her at 14.. oh well, I still miss her a lot,
 
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Tests at +3, +6 and +9 would be fantastic!

Maybe start the dose increase to 1.25U in the AM, when you are there to monitor. Logan has been running pretty high lately. Which is why you want to increase the dose. A 1+ and a 1F (fat dose) are the same really.

All our cats and other pets (and people) hold a special place in our hearts. Maybe we can only hold them in our memories now, but the bonds we formed with them last forever.
 
@Deb & Wink 1st bg for today+3 is 212 so far. at +6 bg is 104 and at +9 bg is 337 The 1.25 would have to start tomarrow nite,, as we are going skiing tomarrow,, and I wouldnt be back till about 330PM..oh well, then I will be available the entire weekend to monitor him,,.,.Yes we hold a special spot for our favorite ones,, forever,,
 
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@Deb & Wink after skiing yesterday (which was wonderful!.) Feb 12 fri. amps (652am). 1.0+ PMPS 467 at(641pm). at 1259AM +5 bg116.fed 1/2 teaspoon of wet, at(206am)+7 bg181. This AM feb 13th Logans AMPS were 467 at (641AM). its official 1.25 units this AM....
 

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Hope Logan does better with this dose increase.
Good shot of the 1.25U dose in the syringe!

p.s. I would have thought your ski googles would have helped to keep your mask in place. I'm resorting to paper tape, to keep my glasses from fogging up when I go out. My glasses or sunglasses alone aren't enough. Tape needs to get peeled off S-L-O-W-L-Y once I get back home and have washed my hands.
 
@Deb & Wink Ha Hah ha!! Do u ski?? or just cross country?? i hate it when glasses fog up cuzz of mask...! but it is what it is.. I just came back from a class regarding Animal evacuations am gonna be a volunteer.. just measured logan at +8 his BG 194!.. also thought i'd send u the picture of they syringe just to make sure we are on the same page... I suspect Logan was even lower today... i think his nidar is around +5 or +6..
 
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@Shelly & jess @Deb & Wink @JanetNJ stalling for amps this AM tested at 656AM(+13?) bg123.. then again at 716AM hes 129. everyone is hungry (all 8 kitties,,) no food as of yet for logan. now at 735am bg118.. should i give a lesser dose like 1.0? gave him 1.u.. i will be around today to monitor,
 
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Just seeing this (tag not quite right :() - this is really low for Logan. I'd do more of token dose in this instance. He's been flat through the hour stall. When shooting this low for the first time you should work your way up with the doses to test the waters, I'd do 0.5u or no more than 0.75u if you can monitor and steer if needed.

AM cycle 02/02 he dropped 100 points on 1.0u with steering.
 
@Shelley & Jess @Deb & Wink @JanetNJ thx you guys.. so by not giving him a ton of mc wet food was good then.. he SEEMS ok.. for them moment.. i just don't get it.. at 1.unit he stayed pretty high.. now that he had like 2 doses of 1.25 units he almost went hypo.. so now what? for PMPS.. 1 unit or 1.25 units if he gets high at 2 or??? not sure.
 
He "earned" a dose reduction today. Sometimes that's all it takes, a little increase to kick start things again.

To clarify what I meant above, BG readings should always be recorded on the spreadsheet in the actual amount of time after the insulin was shot. So your 132 should be recorded under the +1 column and so on.
Like when you stalled and your 118 became your +13, or 13 hours after insulin was shot.
 
@Shelley & Jess @Deb & Wink @JanetNJ this This is the syringe he recieved this AM for amps & these are some of my children right now..(including Logan) I will wait to see for what PMPS say. Most likely tonite i will have to shoot at8PM tonite.Not sure how much to shoot.. 1 Unit again>??
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Shelley & Jess said:
He "earned" a dose reduction today. Sometimes that's all it takes, a little increase to kick start things again.
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Exactly.

So back down to the 1U dose for Logan.
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If high enough to shoot and without stalling, yes back down to 1.0u.
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Yes, back down to 1U.

If he's really low at PMPS, then I'd reduce the dose a bit more than that. Maybe only 0.75U.

Just getting caught up on all the excitement.
p.s. Nice pictures of some of your fur children. Logan is the second one back from the front of the picture? Saying "Let me get back to my nap mom!"

You did good on keeping his BG levels up with the MC food. Splendid job!
 
@Shelley & Jess @Deb & Wink @JanetNJ at(316)+8 bg213. so He's finally above 150bg.. thankyoU everyone thats responded today to help Mr. Logan.. So if he stays around the 213 mark then 1 full unit and if hes' low go down to .75.. would low be considered below 150bg??-or lower for him to get the .75?? Also cuzz I stalled an hour, should i shoot around the same time as this AM.. which is one hour later at 8pm or go for the usual time i shoot in the PM which is 7-715pM?? as far as the picturess 1 cat closest to viewer is Logans brother Rocky, then Logan, the the gray kitty is Bunny, logans sister, thenthe stripped gray is Joseph, and the tux is Charlie (showing all black in this photo..) still missing a few others not in the photo! thx for saying i did good on keeping him up w/the BG.. was kinda panicking.. and had wondered if i really should have carbed him up more..but thought that if i didn't then i would have to test him more.. which is what i decided to do... arghh.. is it time for a beer yet?? LOL..
 
I'd shoot closer to his regular shot time, say move it back 30 minutes from what your shot time was this morning. So 7:30 or so?
Low would be a pre-shot less than 150 right now. Doubt he will be that low, after his bounce and lows today.
I'm betting on "stinky pinks" or "in the red zone" for PMPS tonight 2/14/21.

Beer, glass of wine, a few chocolates. Time for dinner too.

You have lots of cats there to love and take care of.
 
@Deb & Wink @Shelley & Jess @JanetNJ yes moving it to 730PM for the PMPS would work as this AM for the AMPS he was around 806am.. generally i have shot AM and PMs around 7-715. yes I doubt he will be super low..so maybe he was "stuck" till we raised him to 1.25.. certainly didn't last long..(2 cycles) thx again for responding.. PS at +9 bg231!!! :)

yes lottsa cats plus 1 big dog/high maintenance, and a little one.. sometimes it gets overwhelming.. esp. now that i have a diabetic.. and one senior cat thats like 20 yrs old and screams alot when and if his belly doesn't stay full most of the time, plus i think he has dementia .. and another cat w/a thyroid condition. but these animals are OUR kids. enjoy your beer/chocolate and dinner!
 
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@Deb & Wink @Shelley & Jess @JanetNJ. this AM for amps logan was 190!! was happy for that!! i was surprised, I did get up at +7 last nite to test, he was 194.. i think i missed his nidar,, i should have gotten up an hour earlier,
Hope u guys are ok over there,, in the snow right??? here its been pouring! Most likely its snowing up at SugarBowl where we go skiing,
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Great number
 
So try a +6 tonight Sandy. You might catch that earlier nadir you think is happening. But you were planning on that already I think.

That 190 BG was very nice for a pre-shot. But now he's headed back up.:(

p.s. Just a touch of freezing rain here. More to come overnight and into tomorrow.
 
@Deb & Wink. today amps 190 at+3 bg253. at +6 bg 173!!!!(fed 1/2 teaspoon of wet).. i did get a plus 6 today,, will aim for a +6 tonite,, i almost think I should try and get a test like at +5 0r +5.5 since he will get his shot about 730PM tonite,.. thx for your response deb.. hey i finally read and saw wink's full profile (dont know WHY I didnt see it before..,, very sad.. u sure loved Wink,,, i get it,,certain pets are incredibly special,, Donna passed a year ago (tomarrow) feb 16 at 14 yrs,,wished that there was something i could have done to change her verdict.. but it is what it is,, u can't go back,, (sh-t) . i wished i had more time with her, , she went so fast in one weeks time.., oh well,, she was my little girl and so very very special..
 
Those pink BG's last night look like a reaction to the low greens from the morning on 2/14/21.
Logan is looking better with his high blue BG levels later this AM cycle 2/15/21. That yellow BG at +3 today was likely a bit of a food bump.

You are doing fine by feeding only little bits of food to Logan. You don't want him to fill up too much, in case his BG numbers go really low and you need him to eat to get the numbers higher.. Really low being <50.

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IF logan goes below 100 should i drop his dose to .75??
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Yes, I would if I were you.

p.s. I was busy typing while you were looking for a response.

Anniversaries are hard and bittersweet. I know you will be remembering your cat Donna with some sadness. But I hope there will be some happy memories too.
 
@Deb & Wink. thx Deb,, what about if Logan is say 125?? i really don't know what his numbers will do,, but the last 4 tests hes been going down,, what would u say is the cut off for the full dose? at this pt, i don't know if i will be stalling or not,, thx,,, and yes anniversaries are very hard,, and yes i have lottsa nice memories of her,, oh well,forever in my heart,
 
You shot a 1U dose yesterday, after stalling.
Logan did drop into the mid-level greens yesterday AM, fairly early in the cycle. And you ended up feeding him some MC food to bring those BG levels back to a safer level.

So ask yourself if you are able to do that same process tonight, if he is low, around that 125 BG.
Do you have enough test strips?
Do you have the ability to stay up and monitor?
Do you have more MC food and some HC food too?

You mull all that over, and then decide on the dose.

My crystal ball might not be working, but I think he'll be pretty high at PMPS tonight.
 
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