What's the difference between the Relaxed and the TR forum?

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I can add a little light to what I've been told in the past .... especially when I first got here.
The first year I had quite a few people pm me for help and they would express frustration with tr forum.
Their complaint was they didn't feel like they fit in, they felt like the tr group was cliquish.
I straddled the fence because I could see both sides. It took me a while to feel welcome too. I felt like the "scared" individuals were too sensitive to criticism and often saw criticism when there wasn't any.
The tr forum can't relate because they would have to walk in the relaxed forums "shoes".
They didn't see themselves that way.
kinda like the in crowd vs the "not in" crowd.

I don't know what it is about me that had so many pm me about it , I try to convey as much compassion as I can in my words. But for some reason,
I attracted the frustrated folks.

I can name two who I succeeded in convincing that they would be welcome and they did finally join and stay a while.
( Shai..... Scratchie's Mom.... because I believe both would be fine with me mentioning their name) The others, not so much.

I often found myself sending pm's to others to encourage the stragglers, and try to help me make them feel welcome.
And when I asked, everyone delivered.
still some of the individuals came for a while but have disappeared.

I think what I'm hearing now is that the former relaxed group misses having a spot where they don't have to sift thru everyone else to find each other.
They liked their 4 or 5 condos in one spot where they could support each other instead.
They have been shuffled back into the whole deck of cards.

I know I had often just visited with tr forum and main forum when I get online..... and only once in a while did I go over and see what was happening
in relaxed. I think they felt like they had their own special corner and they knew they could get additional help when needed by posting elsewhere.
That's my take on the adjustment as I read all the comments.


I also think that the change is to try to help those who are over on facebook to find the fdmb easier to use.
I've looked over there and I don't want to post over there. It's seems there are too many not advising so well and there isn't anyone to oversee at all.
that may just be me since I don't like facebook anyway.
 
Melanie and Smokey said:
This seems obsolete now since both those forums are closed permanently and there is only one new forum for everyone to post in. Maybe you want to start on new post on what you believe to be the difference between the two protocols, not the two forums? Since those forums are both gone.
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That's what no one seems to understand and was the purpose of me bumping up this thread. It was never a difference between two protocols. Relaxed was NOT about SLGS; it was about offering a home to everyone who didn't fit into TR for whatever reason. So, since this is now the LL forum and allegedly new and improved, I would like to see it actually be different from TR. I'm definitely not seeing that. I'm seeing Relaxed people struggling while TR people say, "Welcome to our new forum!" Why is that?
 
I'm seeing Relaxed people struggling while TR people say, "Welcome to our new forum!" Why is that?
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It's because this is all new to us as well, Kay. I will raise my hand as one of the guilty parties because I did not closely read what was posted by the moderators originally when the new board started up. I apologize that I did not read closely. I believe that many of us, very mistakenly, thought it was going back to how it was when we joined which was one Lantus TR forum that also had people in it that were using SLGS and a separate Levemir forum. Please have a little patience and let everyone understand that this new forum is not TR; it's for all Lantus and Levemir users. There's a lot of changes and a lot for all of us to absorb so how about we all just be gracious and work together to make this a great forum for both L users regardless of what protocol or approach they are using? Let's stop beating a dead horse and remember that Jill said we are all new members of this forum. :)
 
KPassa said:
. I'm seeing Relaxed people struggling while TR people say, "Welcome to our new forum!" Why is that?
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Because that is what you chose to see??? I am seeing members of the NEW FORUM saying welcome lets make this work, and I am seeing a few members that have not posted a single positive post and hijacked every post possible to complain about the situation. I saw ONE post where someone welcomed a former Relaxed member to the TR forum. Early on when everyone was confused. And she since corrected her error. Jill is the board moderator that is tasked to set up this ISG forum apparently. The fact that she was one of the TR members before is going to stick in some people's craw, but she is doing the set up and welcoming as a board moderator and member of the new ISG forum, nothing to do with TR and she repeats that over and over.

The new ISG forum will be what we make of it. Obviously you will see a lot of TR activity, there are a lot of members following TR. If the people following a Relaxed protocol want to see more activity from people following that, then they need to do it, not demand that TR people stop doing what they've always done. The ISG forums are Insulin Support Groups. If people just want to chat, maybe the Community Forum can become more active.

But continuing to hash over the problems of the old separate ISGs that no longer exist in the new ISG serves no purpose but to distract from the whole reason why things went back to one ISG forum, to help cats.
 
I think what I'm hearing now is that the former relaxed group misses having a spot where they don't have to sift thru everyone else to find each other.
They liked their 4 or 5 condos in one spot where they could support each other instead.
They have been shuffled back into the whole deck of cards.

If this a real concern or problem, people can go to their profile and choose to "follow" specific users. Doing so gives you easier access to their status and posts from within your profile page.

I also think that the change is to try to help those who are over on facebook to find the fdmb easier to use.
I've looked over there and I don't want to post over there. It's seems there are too many not advising so well and there isn't anyone to oversee at all.
that may just be me since I don't like facebook anyway.

Not a big fan of Facebook myself ;)
Your'e right, the point of the FDMB facebook page is to provide a landing spot for people who do use it a lot and are more likely to search for something on Facebook than on something like Google. And toprovide them with basic information about Feline Diabetes. But ultimately, to steer them to the FDMB forums. Advice found on FB isn't supposed to be their primary source of advice. There is no "peer-review" on facebook, and that is probably the #1 thing that Rebecca insisted on when she created FDMB - that ALL advice be given under peer-review. There is someone who oversees the FB page, but I would think that it is next to impossible for one person to keep up with the volume of traffic there, or monitor to see if the advice is "good".
 
Wow! Really? I'm trying to make this place better for everyone by dispelling the misconceptions about the former Relaxed forum. Instead I'm accused of beating a dead horse and hijacking posts. Such negativity from something I was trying to do that was positive for a minority of users here who are getting side-lined and don't even know how to post a Condo. Seriously, that is not a way to win people over that this is a "good" thing and is a "new" forum separate from TR.
 
Instead I'm accused of beating a dead horse
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Except I did not mention your name, Kay. I quoted you to explain why you might see some people saying "welcome to our new forum". I will say I did not see any reason to resurrect this particular thread. It doesn't really matter what the difference is between the Relaxed and TR forums since they no longer exist.
 
Carl & Polly said:
I think what I'm hearing now is that the former relaxed group misses having a spot where they don't have to sift thru everyone else to find each other.
They liked their 4 or 5 condos in one spot where they could support each other instead.
They have been shuffled back into the whole deck of cards.

If this a real concern or problem, people can go to their profile and choose to "follow" specific users. Doing so gives you easier access to their status and posts from within your profile page.

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I think this is helpful Carl. I have just found the "follow" users section and now I can find the people I used to follow on the former Relaxed. Its important to maintain the connections that were made and I think that's what most people are afraid of losing. My only comment that I fear may happen with the new larger group is that, those that don't post on a daily basis, likely will get lost in the posters that post daily. Ie if someone posts a 911 or posts once a week - that person's post will disappear within half an hour - below all the new posts from people posting their daily condo. Over in the former Relaxed group, there were less people (and I know that has its advantages and disadvantages) but those posting only posted a new condo once a week or once month so condos were not lost in the crowd. Just a concern. How will someone posting 911 stand out ?
 
Nope, you are not the one I am accusing of hijacking posts with complaints. Unless you have been too:woot:

And I have asked over and over, why do you need to post differently than you did in the old forum? You are just posting in a different place. The same place as people posting differently than you, but you don't have to post the way they do.

What is the point of dispelling misconceptions about a forum that no longer exists? It just looks like a veiled attempt to promote misconceptions about the current ISG setup. Instead of dwelling on what happened there and why it happened, if you feel people are having trouble transitioning from the relaxed forum, why not start a post to brainstorm on how you all want to post in the new ISG to best suit your needs?
 
I don't think it really matters HOW people post in the new forum so long as they are getting the help they need. Now that Carl has pointed out how to "follow" people, we can keep in touch with the condos we used to follow before.
 
I just don't get all this uproar....guess I'm just wierd. When I visit the board (both new and old) I started on the main page and chose 'New Posts'. I got ALL posts, not just specific forums. I posted in all of them. If I did a condo, I usually put it in TR but NOT because we practice TR, it's just the place I knew. No one ever said "Hey, you're not TR so you can't post here"...nor did they say "Hey, you don't use my insulin so go away". In the beginning, yes - people asked me to get nightly tests but I have medical restrictions - when people realized that, they never made me feel bad. If they mentioned it, I didn't get upset, I just explained. When I changed 'da sugarboyz' to Levemir, I continued to post in Lantus TR but again, just because that's the place I knew. No one said anything at all about it. If I had an issue, I put HELP in my subject line...I got help.

Can't everyone just realize this is a brand new day - another day to celebrate - another day to Dance even if the dance has a few new steps in it?

Let's CELEBRATE the new dance instead!​
 
Melanie and Smokey said:
Instead of dwelling on what happened there and why it happened, if you feel people are having trouble transitioning from the relaxed forum, why not start a post to brainstorm on how you all want to post in the new ISG to best suit your needs?
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I tried that and it was dismissed by moderators as "untimely" and got locked.
 
Ie if someone posts a 911 or posts once a week - that person's post will disappear within half an hour - below all the new posts from people posting their daily condo. Over in the former Relaxed group, there were less people (and I know that has its advantages and disadvantages) but those posting only posted a new condo once a week or once month so condos were not lost in the crowd. Just a concern. How will someone posting 911 stand out ?

Juliet,
The old board allowed 50-60 posts per page, and there were times when people's threads might be pushed to the 2nd page in a day. This software is set up to allow 100 threads on a page, so that makes it less likely to happen.
Hopefully, we will soon get back our "911" topic icon. In the meantime, I posted a suggestion in one of the help forums the other day that people simply type "911!" in their subject line to catch people's attention.
But the likelihood of a "911" being missed and lost in the shuffle? I'd say Zero Percent. I've never seen it happen on any forum on the board. As busy as this forum is, people don't miss an emergency if it is put on the Topic line of the thread.
 
Carl & Polly said:
Ie if someone posts a 911 or posts once a week - that person's post will disappear within half an hour - below all the new posts from people posting their daily condo. Over in the former Relaxed group, there were less people (and I know that has its advantages and disadvantages) but those posting only posted a new condo once a week or once month so condos were not lost in the crowd. Just a concern. How will someone posting 911 stand out ?

Juliet,
The old board allowed 50-60 posts per page, and there were times when people's threads might be pushed to the 2nd page in a day. This software is set up to allow 100 threads on a page, so that makes it less likely to happen.
Hopefully, we will soon get back our "911" topic icon. In the meantime, I posted a suggestion in one of the help forums the other day that people simply type "911!" in their subject line to catch people's attention.
But the likelihood of a "911" being missed and lost in the shuffle? I'd say Zero Percent. I've never seen it happen on any forum on the board. As busy as this forum is, people don't miss an emergency if it is put on the Topic line of the thread.
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That works then.
 
KPassa said:
I tried that and it was dismissed by moderators as "untimely" and got locked.
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It got locked because of my comment Kay, not yours. Sometimes my comments can come across sharper than intended. Let's just chill out.....our (and I am including me) negative comments are not helpful and we are just pissing everyone off. Not a good plan to piss off the people from who we might need their help down the line.
 
KittyMom777 said:
How will someone posting 911 stand out ?
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I think this will actually be better for people who used to be posting in the Relaxed forum because there will be more eyes on the forum to see them. Often you'd come into the TR forum to post your 911 because no one was around in the Relaxed.

I think many of the long term members approach the ISG like I do. When we first enter the ISG we scan for 911 posts, going through all the posts started in the day. Then rescanning for posts that are asking questions or looking for advice, numbers that look interesting. Then going back over the posts for the day to find any that haven't been responded on to make sure everyone is looked at and is acknowledged. There isn't ever a day that this ISG won't be looked over multiple times by members to see if someone needs help. Even if we can't answer a call for help, we can kick the post back to the top for everyone else to see.
 
So basically - how you name the condo is how it will stand out? So if I have a question I need to put ?? into my title right?
 
KittyMom777 said:
It got locked because of my comment Kay, not yours. Sometimes my comments can come across sharper than intended.
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Well to be fair *anyone's* comments can come across wrong, mine included! ;)

I locked it because I was concerned about a flame war started at night. I also mentioned we can fully open a brand-new topic to continue a discussion.
 
KittyMom777 said:
So basically - how you name the condo is how it will stand out? So if I have a question I need to put ?? into my title right?
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It's a good idea to use ??? or just type "Question" in your title. And you can go back at any time (If I'm not mistaken) and edit your title if a questions comes up after you originally posted the thread.
I think the point is "If you need eyes on your thread, use whatever means possible to make it visible".
 
And also remember that you can always bump your condo to the top if it's not getting eyes. We encourage everyone to do that.....it does not need to be a 911; if you have a question and your condo is floating down to the bottom without a response because the forum is busy, please bump it. No one wants to miss a person's question. All you have to do is type "bump" in the reply text area. :)
 
my son ( 22 years old) just commented to me that we are a bunch of old fogey's not liking change.
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he can't even get me to give up my old phone with the qwerty keyboard...... which is true.



New Year..... new web stuff.... always gotta learn new things..... right folks!
Spread the Love!!


I'm keeping my old phone! ha !
 
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rhiannon and shadow said:
my son ( 22 years old) just commented to me that we are a bunch of old fogey's not liking change. http://img.mogicons.com/s/laughing-smiley-267.png
he can't even get me to give up my old phone with the qwerty keyboard...... which is true.

New Year..... new web stuff.... always gotta learn new things..... right folks!
Spread the Love!!


I'm keeping my old phone! ha !
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OMG, can I tell you how much this made me laugh?

We JUST got my dad to switch to a smartphone. He has had a flip phone for YEARS. Let me illustrate...the back of the phone where it says the provider still said Cingular Wireless. :woot: It was missing several buttons but it still worked. Since it was missing buttons he went shopping for a new one and found a flip phone that he liked. He then read it was "perfect for seniors." He put it down, turned to me and said, "I guess I'll try out that smartphone you have." :p
 
I've been trying to teach my 80 year old Mom how to e-mail :banghead::woot:. Actually, it has been fun - although I don't think she agrees! My Mom is also very fond of her flip phone....that ain't changin'.
 
Driving down the road with my ex. She's driving. Her text message alert goes off. Text from our daughter. It's illegal to text and drive here. So she tosses me the phone and says "reply to your daughter. (Yeah ok so she's " my daughter" when she iritates Mom)
So I look at this phone, not a flip phone but old and half the phone is a qwerty keyboard.
I try to start texting, and I notice than other than a few keys, like z, q and x, there's no letters on the keys.
I hand the phone back. "You can reply at the next traffic light. Hard enough to even see the keys, but I have to at least know which keys to hit...".

That was the last time I touched her phone, which is cool since I hate texting anyway.
 
Illegal to have the phone in your hand while behind the wheel of a car in Canada. Someone rammed the back of my car as they were texting at a traffic light last night. Please don't do it. Keep yourself and others safe.
 
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