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That is a good point i will mention to vet when she calls. If he has pancreitus i think that will force my decision i cant put him thru anymore no matter how much it hurts me to do so. Its just got to a point where how to know when he has suffered enough with all the visits to vets, tests, treatment etc. Its more than just diabetes for him. Its so difficult :(

and also if he suffer more with insulin doeses up and down as he had a hypo on just 1 unit when we started . :(
 
That's great news - pancreatitis is definitely controllable and, unless a cat has the chronic form, curable. But you can do without anything new to deal with. I still think he needs to go back on the steroids for his asthma so he can breathe. If he's struggling to breathe, the stress of that might be raising his BG too - sometimes with cats with multiple conditions it comes down to a bit of a trade-off to deal with each condition the best you can while minimizing the effect on other conditions. I know it's difficult, but please try to stay strong for Winston - all these things are manageable...it's just a case of finding the best way of managing everything for him. :bighug:
 
See Fritz the Brave
Our thoughts are to treat with steroids if you have to do so, then adjust the insulin to handle the increased glucose from the steroid.
 
Thanks i will speak to vet about this.. I think steroids is the solution for us. Just to mention before he was having what i would call Asthma attacks coughing badly and unable catch breath, now at moment he is just breathing heavy, noisy. rather than an attack.

Perhaps he could be getting worse due to food change or just the previous steriod is now wearing off as we had to stop due to diabetes. Difficult situation if im being honest what is best for him and if enough is enough putting him thru so much , visits to vets, stress etc.

So hard this morning he rushed down stairs to eat food, had injection tired to play and rolled around and then after laying upstairs heavy breathing and seems to struggle to breath. Heartbreaking what to do and best for him..
 
That does sound like fairly classic asthma symptoms. I'd imagine the steroid he was on would have taken some time to wear off completely so his symptoms are likely to have got worse as the steroid has got out of his system completely. I really hope your vet will agree to put him back on the steroids - it does sound as though he needs them.
 
At Fritz the Brave, they discuss the use of the AeroKat, a mask device which allows you to treat the asthma with an inhaled, rather than ingested, steroid. This is how human asthmatics (hi there) manage their asthma routinely.
 
So the bozita arrived and he did not like the canned, tried the tetra pack had some then was tapping the wall as in “disgust”. He then woofed down the sheeba.


Can anyone tell me if the Sheeba would be any problems feeding him this in terms of his allergies? OR if I should try Felix as alternative or any others I can purchase in UK?

I want to make sure the sheeba wont be causing his asthma getting worse? Gutted he doesn’t like bozita L he is a funny cat.

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Hi Steve,

My old eyes are struggling to read the document.
Is it the case that the foods Winston is allergic to are rice, brewer's yeast, tomato and duck?
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Todays curve at vets was better than before

8am 35
8am insulin
9am 24
10am 15.3
11 am 9.8

** During 12-1 vet said the vet has quite few cats and he gets stressed so why its jumped up **

12 pm 18.7
1pm 20,7
2pm 15.7
3pm 16
4pm 22.6
5.30 18

ALTHOUGH high its his best readings yet!


Another question :

is Sheeba Fine Flakes Poultry a good food choice ? and is the FIsh Flakes also ok ? He seems to love it just wanted to make sure this is ok.

Secondly - I tried him on Canned Bozita, but did not like. The Tetra Bozita he did eat some but then almost burped / gaged but thats probably as its bigger pieces and not used to it. Out of the 2 Sheeba / Bozita Tetra pack which would you recommened ?

I could try and enforce Bozita but currently he loves Sheeba.


As for winston now home happy again , we have upped his dose of Ventilin (opens up airways) to 1 unit x3 a day and they ordered in atopica for me to try in liquid format which i will collect later. Fingers crossed he / i manage it. VET is pleased with his latest curve, its heading in the right direction and now says continue how i am feeding in terms of sheeba with some biscuits (which i have been doing). Normally 1 sachet sheeba and mixed in a small handful of royal canin, although i may now cut that out and give him more sheeba, was just conerned as its a lot of jelly and not a lot of meat. / chunks.
 
puppy8910club said:
Sheeba Fine Flakes Poultry a good food choice
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Sheba Fine Flakes poultry comes out at just 1.6% calories from carbs. (See UK food list in my signature).
For some reason the fish version isn't on the list. That's probably just an omission on my part. I'll look at that shortly. :)

Edited to add. It just occurred to me that the poultry version may contain duck (one of Winston's allergens); and I just looked at the product online and one of the flavours in the multipack IS duck....
 
Elizabeth and Bertie said:
Sheba Fine Flakes poultry comes out at just 1.6% calories from carbs. (See UK food list in my signature).
For some reason the fish version isn't on the list. That's probably just an omission on my part. I'll look at that shortly. :)

Edited to add. It just occurred to me that the poultry version may contain duck (one of Winston's allergens); and I just looked at the product online and one of the flavours in the multipack IS duck....
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Thank you kindly, yes i have actually removed the duck pouches. Its quite annoying as wasting money but he eats the stuff so thats the main thing...

To another point perhaps this is true on another forum i have had a grilling over his reading and perhaps i should be more concerned than i feel at moment as his latest curve is best yet but still high.. Can you case your view also???

This was a response :

will be blunt again and warn you that I feel time is running out for Winston if you do not act really very quickly and get his blood sugars DOWN.
Caninsulin is good in one way in that it is fast acting and can be helpful to 'fire fight' these high BGs and many people find that the durations ( time between shots) do quickly stretch out so that the schedule is not 6 hourly shots for long. There is NO insulin that lasts a precise and magical 12 hours, it just does not work like that.
If this were my beloved cat I would be taking some immediate holiday from work and getting to grips with the situation.
To be blunt once more.....I have said my piece and given you what I honestly believe is the answer to this situation which is to get over to DCC and follow exactly what they tell you to do. I am afraid I don't have either the time or the emotional resilience to keep on posting the same advice over and over....you don't need to re-invent the wheel, it has been done for you, just follow the plan.
 
Good grief! I think I'd have to remove myself from that forum. Firstly, you're doing all you can for your beloved cat, that's glaringly clear for all to see. You're dedicated to every aspect of Winston's well being. Secondly, I'd be encouraged by that curve - you're making proper progress, which is great. These things take time and you're headed in the right direction. I've followed your story and it's looking really positive for you!
Please don't be discouraged, you and Winston are doing fantastically well. Please feel encouraged and positive as to how you're doing! :):cat:
 
Thank you. I did call the vet as I was really worried about that comment. I do understand the concern of high readings. Just to put into perspective :


His First reading / CURVE was


Week 1


Insulin / Food 6am on Hills C/D and Dry Royal Caning


6.30 food / insulin

8am – 17.2

9am – 37

10 am 38.4

11 34.3

12 28.3

1pm 29.5

2pm 28.3

3pm 34.4


I did Ignore vet advice on Food and he is on Sheba Fine Flakes and results show below good in comparison.


Week 2


Yesterday results were :


The vet didn’t want me to shoot insulin before he was dropped off to VET so he went about 14 hours since last injection hence reading 37!


6.30 Food

8am 37 +

8am Insulin

9am 24

10 am 15.3

11 am 9.8

** VET said between 12/1 lots of cats in vets and he gets stressed with all others around him in cage hence spike **

12 18.7

1pm 20.7

2pm 15.8

3pm 16.6

4pm 22.6

5pm 18


Now I told vet I been using sheba to encourage dry food eating (but really I am just giving him the wet) and she did say whatever your doing is working so keep that up.


After reading the other forum and response I called my VET again to say look should I take time off work to home test (which I now have kit) but more so to do the tight protocol of if the curve starts to go up SHOOT insulin. She said NO 100% not. Basically he has dived from 37+ all the way down to 9.8. If we shoot at 20 he will go into a hypo. This I can understand. She said let him settle on food and insulin and 10 days’ time we re-do a curve and hopefully see another really good improvement. Take into account he is still flushing out his last steroid injection. I feel more comfortable now for sure.


I will try to get to grips and home test to monitor but will stick to the 2 feeds, and also sheba only. My last point I have checked the food list but as the “Poultry” fine flakes of sheba have poultry and duck which he could be allergic to I am wasting a lot of money on pouches he cant eat as I cant seem to find the “Fine Flakes” in separate pouches.


Can anyone verify if this is any good?


I think it maybe higher than the 2% so relucdant to change his food but at same time I am wasting lots of money. Bozita canned he turned his nose up and the tetra pack he was pouring the window in disgust although eat more. I want to stick sheba chicken ideally only wish I could buy the chicken in bulk


http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=286766617 Sheba Tray Pieces Jelly With Chicken 85G

I noticed tesco finest chicken in jelly . He loves jelly ones not the pate. I just dont want to increase his CARB intake that is greater than sheba for the time being so if anyone can confirm what would be cost effective (if any links to buy the chicken / turkey sheba individually ) or alternative with Jelly which has the same carbs as sheba you would be a god :)

** and also taking into considerations his allergies as posted previously **

Thank you Cat friends :)
 
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Hi Steve,

Many cat foods list 'meat and animal derivatives' (or similar) in the ingredients list without specifying what those meats actually are (and I'm guessing it varies depending on what's available). So, if you really want to avoid duck, it may be necessary to buy foods that have more specific labelling.

The Tesco finest chicken in jelly lists only 'chicken', so that may well be a possibility.
Other foods you could consider are the Nature's Menu pouches (avoid the beef one and the 'senior' pouches - too high carb), as their labelling seems pretty good. (These are popular foods with UK FDMB folks).

Or you could, for example, try things like Ropocat (chicken, lamb, rabbit or venison); or Mac's 'mono sensitive' (turkey or lamb); or Granatapet 'symphonie' (excluding the 'poultry' flavours. This last one is a very pricey food....); all of which are from the Happy Kitty Company.

Edited to add: I know how frustrating it is to buy food and then find that the kitty turns his nose up at it. But I'm sure your local cat shelter would appreciate anything that Winston doesn't want. 'Kitten season' is in full swing....
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puppy8910club said:
This was a response :
....will be blunt again and warn you that I feel time is running out for Winston if you do not act really very quickly and get his blood sugars DOWN.
...I have said my piece and given you what I honestly believe is the answer to this situation which is to get over to DCC and follow exactly what they tell you to do. I am afraid I don't have either the time or the emotional resilience to keep on posting the same advice over and over....you don't need to re-invent the wheel, it has been done for you, just follow the plan.
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Gosh. OK....
DCC use a protocol created by Dr Elizabeth Hodgkins. It certainly does have it's followers (and I tried the protocol with my own cat shortly after he was diagnosed.)
However, followers of the protocol believe that it is not possible for a cat on a low carb diet to suffer adversely from hypoglycemia: It's not true.

Of course, it would be good to see Winston in better numbers.
Has your glucose meter arrived yet? It would be great if we can get you started on hometesting. Then we will really be able to see what's going on with him...
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thank you very much again for your advice / support. Yes it arrived yesterday. As he was in vets all day on a glucose curve and first day back now was going to give him a day to get back into our routine, and tomorrow brave and test. Perhaps i am putting it off, which i guess i am but tomorrow i will 100% test.
 
This is going to sound odd, but as afraid/concerned as I was about doing the home testing, I couldn't wait to try it! I know that is probably odd, but I wanted so badly to know what was going on with my cat. I had watched alot of the videos and read so much about it. I had a meter at home that my mom used when she was here, but the battery was dead, so I had to wait. But as soon as I was home from the store with Shiloh's meter, I was right on her!
 
Shiloh & Rhonda said:
This is going to sound odd, but as afraid/concerned as I was about doing the home testing, I couldn't wait to try it! I know that is probably odd, but I wanted so badly to know what was going on with my cat. I had watched alot of the videos and read so much about it. I had a meter at home that my mom used when she was here, but the battery was dead, so I had to wait. But as soon as I was home from the store with Shiloh's meter, I was right on her!
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:) i know where your coming from i like injecting winston insulin now as i know it helps him. The problem i have is he is a very wild cat and not a "sit on lap" type cat, he knows when something is coming. I will work out a good way of trying to test like i do with his injections as with anything once u done it a few times it becomes easy and i guess u will always have that peace of mind knowing his levels
 
Steve, my Bertie isn't a lap cat either. But I found that if I crumbled a few treats for him I could do the test while he was suitably distracted.
It can help to acclimatize the kitty to the idea of testing by simply holding or massaging an ear for a couple of seconds and then giving a treat. And then maybe clicking the lancet pen near the ear, and giving a treat; etc, etc....
And you'll probably find testing easier if you can get him to jump up onto a desk or table top.
 
Ok just went for it and failed..... the vets been testing on his paws as he tollerates it better as very sensitive to his ears always has been. Alpha track was setup for me ready on number 4.

Anyways had 3 "shots" at his paw pad (middle bit of pour) and nothing, he waggling tail like "go away". final attempt it got him im sure as he pulled leg away like "what was that!". But no blood. i did try to pinch a bit but nothing and then he done a runner.

Rather than stress him out ill try tomorrow. Any tips? setting 4 is deepest so should be ok? Maybe ill go for ear its just i want to be consistent to testing done so far on his paw pads.
 
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Ok just went for it and failed..... the vets been testing on his paws as he tollerates it better as very sensitive to his ears always has been. Alpha track was setup for me ready on number 4.
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Well done for having a go, Steve!
It doesn't matter that you didn't get blood this time. It can take a few goes to get the hang of it so do be patient with yourself. :bighug:

Regarding ear testing, the most useful things I've found are:
1. Warm ears bleed much more easily. Massaging the ear for a few seconds can help the blood flow.
2. It helps to hold something against the inside of the ear, opposite to where you're pricking. The lancet needs something to 'resist'. This can be a little piece of cotton wool or folded tissue, or even your own finger tip (but you may occasionally get blood from yourself this way....;) )
(The most common mistake I make is not putting pressure on the inside of the ear. If I ever can't get blood this is the most likely cause. And this does happen when I'm tired and not concentrating.....:rolleyes: )
3. A teensy smear of vaseline on the outer edge of the ear can help the blood to 'bead up' rather than disappear into the fur.
4. Two ear pricks close together can often produce enough blood for a test where one ear prick might not.
5. Massaging immediately below the ear prick can 'milk' more blood out. I almost always do this unless it's obvious that the ear is bleeding just fine on it's own.
6. It's important to reward the kitty every time you try a test (whether the test is successful or not). And in between time, you can massage his ears for a second or two and give him a treat and/or a cuddle. It'll help him to learn that tests are a good thing.

The ears bleed more easily over time. They grow more blood vessels which is extremely helpful! And it doesn't take long for this to happen. :)

I don't have experience of paw testing, but I'm going to tag April for you @manxcat419 to see if she has any tips. I think she alternates between ear and paw testing.

Eliz
 
great tips thank you kindly. Ears maybe actually easier for me as i can lay him on window ledge and test there. I will get there i am sure, just like the insulin it took me a week before i found the best method for me and winston.

I think going from the seemed successful prick of the pad (at least by his reaction) was to be quite firm when pushing down on the needle pen and then hit the button.

I will try ears i just know he is very sensitive. Does anyone know best setting for ears? I would guess setting 2 ?
 
puppy8910club said:
Does anyone know best setting for ears? I would guess setting 2 ?
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You could try that, and then increase the depth setting if that doesn't work. (However....it may also be that the deepest setting could increase your chance of getting blood...? And that would be enouraging for you.....) And yes, you do need to hold the lancet pen thingy quite firmly against the ear.

FYI, Just found some Alphatrak testing info online. There's a page of info and tips, and also a little video that shows someone testing a cat's ear using the same device that you have.
http://www.alphatrakmeter.co.uk/why-alphatrak/how-to-use-alphatrak.html
http://www.alphatrakmeter.co.uk/videospage/blood-test.html

And here's the link to the FDMB compilation of hometesting info, tips and tricks, and example videos:
Hometesting Links and Tips
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thanks for links have read it all and im still failing :( Tried 4 times on the ear and he was getting worked up so left him be. Its just not pricking, not sure if its a problem with unit or probably just me to be honest. I will pop vets get them to check and help me.

Also i have noticed soon after i inject winston insulin he seems to get really grumpy like 20 mins later and then last few days went to swipe me with his claw which he never does. Reading up could be a mod hypo? His lowest before other day was 9... I really wanted to test him gave him a small amount of royal canin bisciuts just incase (i know no dry but just a small handful to boost him up just incase. Seems fine now although he always grumpy as stuck indoors.

Frustrating me now as i want to get some tests done!
 
Try freehanding with the lancet and aiming directly for the edge vein on a warmed ear. Be prepared to test quickly, because if you nail it, you may get a gusher.
If so, get the test, then blot firmly to reduce bruising and scabbing. Some folks snag the blood drop on a clean fingernail and test from there.
 
We're not home this weekend so I only just noticed I'd been tagged - sorry for taking all day to get back to you!

What I've found with paw pad testing is that it seems to work best if I use the alternate site lancet pen cap as well as the alternate site lancets. I also try to poke just off center on the paw pad - the very center seems to have harder skin so is more difficult to get enough blood from. Often putting 2 pokes next to each other helps too. And of course milking the paw pad a bit if you've not got quite enough blood.

And I agree that you do have to be quite firm with the lancet device to get a successful test from the paw pad. Keeping the lancet device in place for a few seconds while still applying pressure after you activate the device can help a decent blood drop well up around the lancet too.

I hope some or all of that helps a little. :)
 
FINALLY! Success!!! .

Went for his ear before his 6pm shoot. took me 3 attempts, moved the Level to 3 on alphatrak and got a small amount of blood! It read 23.3 which is at his worst as 12 hours apart. Just shot his insulin will try and do tests every hour.
** As i said before even 5 mins of his injection he gets grumpy and aggresive, i stroke him and he yowls at me as in leave me alone, if i stroke again he swipes at me. Out of character. Is that normal behaviour when his levels drop or is it because too low?? Literally 5 mins after shooting.

I was worried because vets he was 35+ and dropped to 9... Now he is 23.3 i hope he doesnt drop the same amount. I will try test 1 hour if he allows me to.. Happy i finally done it thou :) thanks for help! Now its a case of getting him out of under bed in hour and onto window ledge for me to test again!
 
also further good news , I told vet i wanted to try
Enisyl Enisyl-F Paste as he had that in past for eye problem, and to me his asthma seems more infection than anything else. Could be coincidence that we have limited windows open, changed litter to dust free but since the paste his breathing is 70% better than before. I have also bought a humidifier for his bedroom (Not arrived yet) http://www.athleteshop.co.uk/beurer-lw-110-air-washer-white.

He wont take atopica in food as dont like taste and not injecting to mouth as will stress him out. Fingers crossed asthma and diabetes may soon be at a manageable state!

 
6pm 23.3
8pm 21.7

I would have thought it should drop quicker than that? at least it has on other results. i hope i done his insulin correct :( will test again in 2hours. (again took me 3 attempts)
 
Steve, well done! I knew you could do it. :bighug:

You may see the lowest number of the cycle somewhere around 4.5 to 5 hours after the shot (or it may be a bit earlier or later, depending on the cat).

Don't worry if Winston doesn't drop too much during this particular insulin cycle. This is just one day. And the way cats respond to insulin will be a bit different every single day. Some days will be higher than others.

Are you rewarding Winston with treats?
And maybe you should give yourself a nice treat too!

Eliz
 
Thank you . I pulled up bed and he jumped on window ledge gave him few treats . Had few goe s at ear and then a treat ... Hopefully 10pm test shows better number and I'm doing his ears just quick rub and being confident with him holding some issue other side ear and quickly grabbing the monitor to get sample .. I did give him some biscuits because I was concerned if he dropped mid 30 to 9 in vets his 20 reading prior insulin maybe too much a jump . Perhaps why not gone down much yet . Time will tell . Thanks again for all help. Yes having a beer to celebrate lol
 
really annoyed went to do it again 30 mins ago and he really annoyed and taking swipes at me. tried few times but wasnt worth loosing me eye. Tried again just now and same again, soon as touch ear he goes mad. He has always been senstive to ears. With his pads, its difficult for me to get to unless laying down in a certain posistion. Winston not a lap cat, so really hard and by then he knows what is coming and even then i didnt have any blood before. Really want this test as its 4 hours then... May give him a little time and do a final attempt before packing up for the night. Dont want him too stressed around me as we have a good routine for insulin / feeding.
 
Can you try putting down a little food, and as he is eating, try it again? I give Shiloh her shots while she is eating and she doesn't even notice.
 
problem is i am sticking to a strict 2 day feed, but i know what u mean. i am a bit nervous doing it to be honest especially as he likes to swipe at me which is out of character.

I have tried giving him a few treats then trying but now soon as touch ear he goes mental. Perhaps just need to take my time not over stress him. Ill keep trying but im giving in tonight, and try again tomorrow. Maybe i have bruised his ear a little and sore.
 
persistance paid off . few hours late but reading now were

Pre insulin

23.3
+2 hours = 21.7
+ 6 hours = 19.4
+11 hours 23.8 **updated just woke up and got a test done *

Day 2

5am 23.8
8am / +3 19.3

Will test again in 2-3 I think he needs more insulin ?? Will talk vet

Not happy with that :( at least before in vets he dropped to 9 after 3 hours.... Maybe because i fed him a few biscuits or maybe insulin not enougth?
 
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Morning Steve,

Wow, look at all those test results! Well done, you! :)

Yes, it may be that Winston needs more insulin.
But am I right in thinking that he has actually dropped lower on this same dose (at the vets..?) ? If so, it might be worth waiting a while to see if that happens again. (Sometimes a cat's blood glucose will drop lower than they're comfortable with and then swing up high and 'flat' (unchanging) in response to that.)

What "biscuits" did you give him, and how many?

Eliz
 
Elizabeth and Bertie said:
Morning Steve,

Wow, look at all those test results! Well done, you! :)

Yes, it may be that Winston needs more insulin.
But am I right in thinking that he has actually dropped lower on this same dose (at the vets..?) ? If so, it might be worth waiting a while to see if that happens again. (Sometimes a cat's blood glucose will drop lower than they're comfortable with and then swing up high and 'flat' (unchanging) in response to that.)

What "biscuits" did you give him, and how many?

Eliz
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Yes he dropped from 35 to 9 in vets few days back . Yesterday I gave him some royal canon biscuits probably about 10-15 biscuits . With his wet Sheba . Was worried with 20 reading he would hypo if dropped like vet that was at 6am .yesterday . Today he has only had pouch and half Sheba fine flakes nothing else . Hopefully in few hours number drop its just he loosing lot weight . Using setting 4 and he still grumpy but I guess I'm trying be more confident now thank you
 
just done another test so today wet food only pouch & half sheba

Day 2 Testing :)

07/06/2015

Prior Insulin >> 23.8
5am / Insulin >>23.8
8am +3 >>19.3
10.00am + 5 >> 19.1
2pm + 9 >> 16.2

will be calling vets on monday as am i right in thinking unless under 15 he cant process food? he keeps dropping his weight :( .

** updated afternoon results, looks like dropping still which good slowly. **
 
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Using insulin results in lower blood glucose levels because the glucose has entered the cells and can fuel them.
Normal glucose levels for a cat are 40-120 mg/dL on a human meter. Divide by 18 to get mmol/L.
We like our diabetics to go no lower than 50 mg/dL (2.7 mmol/L) to give us a bit of safety.
 
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BJM said:
Using insulin results in lower blood glucose levels because the glucose has entered the cells and can fuel them.
Normal glucose levels for a cat are 40-120 mg/dL on a human meter. Divide by 18 to get mmol/L.
We like our diabetics to go no lower than 50 mg/dL (2.7 mmol/L) to give us a bit of safety.
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On that basis his insulin needs to be upped?? I will speak to vet.

Prior Insulin >> 23.8
5am / Insulin >>23.8
8am +3 >>19.3
10.00am + 5 >> 19.1
2pm + 9 >> 16.2
4pm + 11 >> 23.3

Finished his last test for today his ears look battered bless him.... 1 more hour until feed / insulin time
 
We tend to focus on getting the numbers closer to normal than some vets do as it gives the pancreas a chance to recover function.
Your vet may have different target numbers he would prefer.
Just getting the numbers below the renal threshold, where glucose spills out through the urine, is helpful in reducing possible renal damage.
See my signature link Glucometer Notes for some feline reference ranges with different meter types and possible interpretations.
 
feeling a bit low, his asthma really bad today struggling to breath laying next to me :( I have ordered a humdifier but, with him not taking atopica and me unable to force it down his throat, only option is aerokat and again not harm for me to try but if that dont work its not looking great :( .

Hopefully me and him having a bad day, just pains me to see him struggling to breath and tbh i am so stressed its affecting me also along with minimal sleep. I can cope with insulin but the asthma is a big burden :(
 
I have the atopica liquid but he foams at mouth and goes wild . Stressful before work ...

Sheba fine flakes ... Does this alone have everything he needs food wise I know low carb but he has lost so much weight ? Skin n bones almost although I'm sure need insulin adjustment ... Just wondering if should stick with or force him to eat bozita?? Calling vet soon. As they open.

I am feeding him pouch n half twice a day with insulin 12 hours apart ...
 
puppy8910club said:
Sheba fine flakes ... Does this alone have everything he needs food wise I know low carb but he has lost so much weight ? Skin n bones almost although I'm sure need insulin adjustment ... Just wondering if should stick with or force him to eat bozita??
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Hi Steve,

The Sheba is a complete food. The fish version has a higher protein and fat content (and less moisture) than the poultry version.
The Bozita is broadly similar in protein and fat content to the Sheba.

Am I right in thinking that you're only feeding Winston twice a day? (Sorry if I got that wrong). If so, then he may simply need more food throughout the day. Diabetics in high blood glucose numbers often lose weight because they can't properly utilise the food they are eating. So they may need more food initially because of that.

Would Winston eat pate type foods? The Gourmet Gold pates are quite high in protein and fat (and are available from supermarkets).
As with any food that contains unspecified 'meat and animal derivatives' though there is the slight possibility that it might contain duck... I just emailed the manufacturer to ask about that, but it may take a while to get an answer...

Re the asthma meds, I'll tag Sarah @phlika29 to see if she has any advice. She's in the UK and also has an asthmatic diabetic kitty.

Chin up, Steve. You're doing just fine. :bighug:

Eliz
 
Elizabeth and Bertie said:
Hi Steve,

The Sheba is a complete food. The fish version has a higher protein and fat content (and less moisture) than the poultry version.
The Bozita is broadly similar in protein and fat content to the Sheba.

Am I right in thinking that you're only feeding Winston twice a day? (Sorry if I got that wrong). If so, then he may simply need more food throughout the day. Diabetics in high blood glucose numbers often lose weight because they can't properly utilise the food they are eating. So they may need more food initially because of that.

Would Winston eat pate type foods? The Gourmet Gold pates are quite high in protein and fat (and are available from supermarkets).
As with any food that contains unspecified 'meat and animal derivatives' though there is the slight possibility that it might contain duck... I just emailed the manufacturer to ask about that, but it may take a while to get an answer...

Re the asthma meds, I'll tag Sarah @phlika29 to see if she has any advice. She's in the UK and also has an asthmatic diabetic kitty.

Chin up, Steve. You're doing just fine. :bighug:

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Thank for so much really appreciate all your help kind.

Yes only feeding twice a day. That is on vets instructions, was told feeding him more would raise his glucose level and then if it goes higher he certainly wont put on weight. Actually need him to eat twice a day to gain weight... Right or wrong i have seen advice so much about multiple feeds and others twice daily.

Pate are not his favourite at all, i am sure if really hungry he would eat, he loves Jelly, gravy type foods.

Just hard to see him suffering loosing the weight , but more concerned with asthma although we do need him to gain weight as soon it will be death by hunger!!

I have seen on some sites online they said for cat loosing weight to leave food out all the time. I wouldnt do this but maybe feed him 3/4 times a day!. Anyone had the same thing of diabetic cat loosing too much weight and what you did?
 
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