Is this a bounce potentially?

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Klyver

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Brand new to all this. Fynn was diagnosed 1 week ago. But didn't start insulin treatment until Monday, as the vet couldn't teach us until then.
They said he had no ketones on diagnosis, through the urinalysis and blood work.

See his spreadsheet, trying to be conservative with his doses, as his first shot REALLY worked well. But yesterday was at 11.3, gave him the 1 unit, and he was down to 4.1 by 4.5hours, ended up giving him 4 greenie treats and some wet food that was around 15% carbs. By evening shot, he was 20.5... this is the highest he has ever been since digonsis. And then this AM, he was 15.3, and I gave the 1 unit. Are we thinking this is a "bounce" situation from going into the low 4s, and his body not being used to it and dropping glucose into his body to "protect" him?

Any advice is helpful! thanks!

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Hi. I would like to help but I cannot see your spreadsheet. You need to set the permissions so that “anyone with the link may view” the spreadsheet. Can you do that?

Welcome to the FDMB!
 
What food are you feeding? What is your feeding schedule? Please feed a small low carb wet food snack at +2 and again at +4. ProZinc will generally begin to onset and lower BG at about +2 so that’s a really important time to give the snack (a spoonful or two of LC wet food.)

Do you feed any dry food?
 
I can see the spreadsheet now. Thank you. It’s not set up correctly because there is no US tab, which I need in order to not use a calculator every time I look at it. You can fill in, for the most part, your world numbers and the US tab will populate automatically.

For now, I do have some comments on his numbers but I would like to know what he eats and his feeding schedule.

Good job getting up and running with the BG testing! That’s half the battle. You are on your way to really helping Fynn.

What country do you live in?
 
For now, please reduce his dose to .75 units. Okay? I assume you have the U-40 syringes with the half unit markings? If so, you draw the plunger back to halfway between the 1 unit and the half unit mark.
 
I’m in Canada. Ok I think I accidentally delete the US page. But I’ll fix it!

He eat breakfast, then not really wanting food until lunch time. But even then, when I’m at work I can’t really force him to eat :(

He eat wet food. Purino pro plan pate because he wasn’t a huge fan of fancy feast. No dry food anymore.
 
If I’m gonna be honest, I’ve been to “ scared” to actually give him exactly 1 unit. It’s more like 0.75, 0.8. I cover the line fully with the plunger part. I felt like 1 unit is probably too much.

Last night I gave him more food, around the +2, +4 hours and some freeze dried chicken treats. But still shot up to 18.9 for breakfast shot this AM. It’s weird, we haven’t seen these shots up before.even before we started insulin, because we tracked for a few days before our vet could teach us how to give shot because of the weekend and such. Maybe he is going “ low” for his body and releasing glucose.

I’m gonna test him at +2 and +4 hours today, and see where he at. I’m home all day today.

This is the food he been eating. He not a huge eater, so he doesn’t normally finish it all.

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Ik I think I fixed the spreadsheet to have US number sheet back again that automatically updates. :)

I have him the “ 1 unit” because he was 18.9 this morning, which is likely more like 0.75,0.8, which I have been doing lately. I will keep testing through the day. Thanks.

See picture below of the amount I’m giving him. I use food coloring water to draw it up to take picture, that why it looks red.
 

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Klyver said:
I’m in Canada. Ok I think I accidentally delete the US page. But I’ll fix it!

He eat breakfast, then not really wanting food until lunch time. But even then, when I’m at work I can’t really force him to eat :(

He eat wet food. Purino pro plan pate because he wasn’t a huge fan of fancy feast. No dry food anymore.
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It’s good he’s not eating dry food anymore. What are you using for treats when he gets his BG tests? If he eats too much when he has his shot that he is not willing to eat a spoonful of his LC wet food two hours later, then he’s probably eating too large of a breakfast and all you need to do is cut back on his breakfast portion and feed him a little at +2 and +4. I know it’s not convenient for some people, but it’s important. Most people who work and are gone during the day will set up an automated feeder to dispense the small meals at strategic points during the cycle.
 
Klyver said:
If I’m gonna be honest, I’ve been to “ scared” to actually give him exactly 1 unit. It’s more like 0.75, 0.8. I cover the line fully with the plunger part. I felt like 1 unit is probably too much.
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Okay. So that is good to know about the dose. Your photo looks like it’s almost 1 unit. It’s probably what we would call a skinny 1 unit. Since you have been doing that, I still would like to see you give him the reduction he has earned if following the Start Low Go Slow dosing method. Have you read the sticky note on this ProZinc forum for the ProZinc dosing methods? It’s a lot to take in at first so don’t worry if it doesn’t make sense. It’s a start. We usually recommend following SLGS for a month while your cat gets used to the insulin. I think your Fynn is doing really well now on a small dose so I am optimistic!
 
Thank you for all the help. I will do the 0.75 this evening. Once I saw the high BG I thought I stick with the 1 unit to get it back down before reducing. But that makes sense. Thanks!

He doesn’t get a treat with BG testing. He pretty good with getting it done.

He is a 17 pounds so the vet want us to give him around 250 calories a day, or about 2.5 small can a day.
He just not a huge eater with all the changes recently to his schedule and everything.
I did get an automatic wet food feeder, but he doesn’t seem to go to eat it until noon, and his shot at 7am. In the evening I try to do 7pm dinner, then a night feeding/snack around 10-11pm.
 
Sorry to dump on you, but I see you have not been testing at night very often. The thing you should know is that many cats tend to drop into lower numbers at night. We always recommend getting at least a “before bed test” for the evening cycle so that you know if you may need to set an alarm to wake yourself up and test/give a snack. Again, many people use the auto-feeders at night to help keep the kitty safe.
 
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Many people will calculate how much their cat needs to eat during the day and night and divide it up into several meals for each cycle.
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He was eating purino pro plan gravy wet food 1/2 a day. Then hill science urinary tract dry food, that came out 3 times a day.

The only reason he got dignosed was because he stopped eating his dry food. And I tried a few different brand and he wasn’t into it. And he lost a bit of weight from not eating dry food before we noticed and tried a few brand.

So I brought him to the vet. They think he might need a teeth cleaning maybe some teeth pulled potentially.
But because of his weight, and drinking decent water they wanted to test his blood sugar, and then we found out.
 
Klyver said:
He doesn’t get a treat with BG testing. He pretty good with getting it done.
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That’s really nice, but that sweet boy should at least get a piece of freeze dried chicken like Pure Bites Freeze Dried Chicken or a piece of boiled chicken or some Low Carb treat as a reward for being such a wonderful cat!
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Sorry to dump on you, but I see you have not been testing at night very often. The thing you should know is that many cats tend to drop into lower numbers at night. We always recommend getting at least a “before bed test” for the evening cycle so that you know if you may need to set an alarm to wake yourself up and test/give a snack. Again, many people use the auto-feeders at night to help keep the kitty safe.
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Make sense. I didn’t know if should leave food out at night in the feeder, because he might eat it less then 2hr before his morning BG test. But I will try :)
 
Klyver said:
He was eating purino pro plan gravy wet food 1/2 a day. Then hill science urinary tract dry food, that came out 3 times a day.

The only reason he got dignosed was because he stopped eating his dry food. And I tried a few different brand and he wasn’t into it. And he lost a bit of weight from not eating dry food before we noticed and tried a few brand.

So I brought him to the vet. They think he might need a teeth cleaning maybe some teeth pulled potentially.
But because of his weight, and drinking decent water they wanted to test his blood sugar, and then we found out.
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He may have actually become diabetic because of his dental disease and the higher carb food. He is doing really well on a small dose of insulin so I am optimistic for hos progress. If his teeth could be taken care of then maybe we could get him into remission? We can hope.
 
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He may have actually become diabetic because of his dental disease and the higher carb food. He is doing really well on a small dose of insulin so I am optimistic for hos progress. If his teeth could be taken care of then maybe we could get him into remission? We can hope.
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This is what I’m thinking too. My vet said they wanted him “stable” on insulin first before dental procedure. But I will talk to them again :)
 
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This is what I’m thinking too. My vet said they wanted him “stable” on insulin first before dental procedure. But I will talk to them again :)
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Vets always say to get your cat regulated before doing the dental. But gingivitis or bad teeth create a lot of inflammation that causes insulin resistance and make it very hard to get the cat regulated.
 
Suzanne & Darcy said:
Vets always say to get your cat regulated before doing the dental. But gingivitis or bad teeth create a lot of inflammation that causes insulin resistance and make it very hard to get the cat regulated.
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This is what I’ve been reading too. I gonna have a chat with the vet next week and discuss some options about getting his teeth checked again and potentially scheduling the cleaning :)
 
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