i have a problem...glucose too low

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This is where we really need to get that spreadsheet going as soon as possible so we don't have to go back and try to find all the bits and pieces of information, Please make that a priority today and if you need help, feel free to contact me by private message and I'll set it up for you
 
Sara, whatever data you have is great. Just do the best you can. If you need help setting up the sheet, just ask. Meanwhile, I think a reduction is a good idea, but I'm not sure by how much. Are you able to test a lot during the next cycle?
 
i have another problem. i dont know what to do next. At this step:
4. The SS template will open to fill the screen. Once it has loaded, you will see three vertical dots in the upper right corner. Tap on this and then tap on "Share and Export". Tap on "Make a Copy". Your copy will generate and then tap the three vertical dots in the upper right corner again. At the very top, it will state "Copy of FDMB US...." or "Copy of FDMB World...". Tap on this and rename the SS (type in your kitty's name followed by the word "Spreadsheet") and then tap on "rename".
I dont see three vertical dots in the upper right corner. There is just my account comment and share. hmmmmm...do you know what is wrong?
 
Hi Sara.

I can't see what you see because it isn't my spreadsheet. @Marje and Gracie is our expert on spreadsheets, but she's most likely asleep right now. Hopefully she'll see this in the morning and be able to help you.

When I click on your link, I see a blank spreadsheet (meaning no BG numbers) with Tacka's name at the top. Have you tried to enter any data yet?
 
No i didnt try to enter any data yet. I ll try it now but i have a little problems with understanding the spreadshee. Working on that :D
 
I can see it now!
Amps is morning pre shot
Pmps is afternoon pre shot
Both taken jus before insulin, and 12 hours apart.

I see you shot 3 u today, even though she is high get a +2 to make sure she is not suddenly dropping again, she may be bouncing, staying high in reaction to the lower numbers yesterday, and the bounce may take up to 6 cycles( 3 days to clear)
In the meantime as long as she doesn't drop low try to keep the dose at 3 u lantus likes consistent dosing.

Gill
 
There is no dose on the 22, did you give insulin? Anytime you don't give insulin mark it as NS no sot on the ss, to avoid confusion.
 
When the +2 is the same or lower it can be a sign that there will be an active cycle. Personally I would get a +6 in today just to be sure that she is staying flat.

One funny thing with Feline diabetes FD is that the kitties are given a manual and rule number one is to keep the human (bean) guessing;):D
So watch out for Tacka changing the rules;) when the pancreas starts spluttering into action, all bets are of.

Good job with the ss, and keeping her surfing last night, in the end that was a nice run of healing numbers.
:bighug::bighug:
 
Thank you! Now i am waiting for the call from Tačkas vet (i dont know why she is trying to get me) Im sure that she will not be happy that i have changed Tačkas dose.
What it means if Tačkas pancreas started to work? What to expect in the future?
 
When the +2 is the same or lower it can be a sign that there will be an active cycle. Personally I would get a +6 in today just to be sure that she is staying flat.

One funny thing with Feline diabetes FD is that the kitties are given a manual and rule number one is to keep the human (bean) guessing;):D
So watch out for Tacka changing the rules;) when the pancreas starts spluttering into action, all bets are of.

Good job with the ss, and keeping her surfing last night, in the end that was a nice run of healing numbers.
:bighug::bighug:
 
One thing that is different with cats, is that their pancreas has the ability to regenerate, and unlike humans they can go into remission. As the cat spends time in better numbers, like last night, it allows the pancreas to start healing itself, and slowly (or not so slowly in some cats) it can start to produce insulin itself. So the amount of insulin needed can change, and this is where you might see her numbers dropping suddenly where previously on the same dose she might have been stable.
Some cats can race down the dosing scale, others more slowly.
Not all cats make it into remission, but there is a good rate of remission following the Tight Regulation protocol, you can see info for that on the sticky on the lantus forum.

In there it gives you a protocol to follow that is based on a veterinary study(there is a link there to the study), you could show your vet, and explains how to adjust dose up or down given your cats numbers. Most of us don't look to our vets for help with dosing, as usually they have very little experience with managing FD, and there people here with years of living and dealing with FD. My vet, aside from the starting dose, has had zero input on Georges dosing, she's kept up to date with his numbers, and though skeptical at first she's supportive of the forum now.

George for example was diagnosed in October 2015, started lantus Nov 2016 git up to 3u in January, and then we started seeing green and blue on spreadsheet and we have worked our way down the scale to no insulin. You can see the numbers on his SS. He wasn't too naughty, gave me time to catch my breath as he headed to his otj (of the juice) trial which he is on at the moment.
 
I peeked in Georges SS. His numbers are fantastic! Good job-im really happy for you! I think that we are now on this point where Tačs numbers began its slow decline. I like Tačs vet but she is often absent (for example: she will not work until next thursday) but other vet i think does not have so much knowlede about FD. And her vet knows what to do when her numbers are too high...but have no idea what to do when they are low. They want keep Tač on 3.5 units for whole week. And they mean that i should not test her every day. I disagree. I think that stress resulting measuring is much smaller than stress if she fall in hypo....
 
Ask your vet if they would give their child insulin without at least checking blood glucose before shot??? I think you know the answer to that. You doing tests at home is not stressful for your Cat, give her treats, and if she is anything likeost cats here you will find she soon reminds you when it's time to test, now that I am only testing twice a day George runs to where I test him looking for a test/treat.

I don't know about the 3.5u I would be inclined to stick to the 3u for now as that's what you shot this morning, going up and down with the dose cam make the numbers wonky, on tr if she is not getting into good numbers in 6 cycles/3 days you can look to increase by 0.25. It's best to wait at least 6 cycles because it can take that long for the dose to settle.
 
i totally agree with you. she will stay on 3 units for next few days (if numbers will be ok). Yesterday she was on 3 and masurements were fantastic. i have just one question for now: which treats you give to your George? only conditionally acceptable treats that i found were Chick n Snack (dried pieces of meat).
Btw: +5 15.2 mmol/l
 
mucacopatarica said:
http://www.zoohit.si/shop/macke/mac...sma/cosma_prigrizki_poskusna_pakiranja/373558
but she really doesent like them...:(
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These seem to contain a lot of liver, and not all cats are keen on that...

mucacopatarica said:
What do you think about Almo nature Mini food-filetti di pollo ( http://www.zoohit.si/shop/macke/macji_priboljski_prigrizki/almo_nature/321413 ) ?
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These look pretty good. Low carb, though not entirely carb free. They seem to be mostly chicken or tuna with 1% rice added.

Zooplus also do their own 'Zoolove' pure dried meat cat treats, but they are quite hard/solid. My youngsters like them, but my old cats can't chew them and just spit them out....:rolleyes:
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Hmmmm we dont have Zoolove on our Zooplus site...Tač has no teeth (because of her dental problems we gave her teath out-with surgery of course-2 years ago). Next time i will try with Almo nature....In our pet stores (we have a lot pet stores in Slovenia and i live in capital city) i cant find treats for FD. Grrrrrr
 
The cosma thai snacks seem to have a lot of rice in it, therefore the carb content will affect bg I would not use those as treats because of that

Just run the chicken fillet from almo raw through the nutrition calc, it comes out at 2% carb.
Chicken thigh about 6%

I've used Almo nature, but watch out not all the varieties are the same low carb, some work out at 20% even though the ingredients don't look that different, for example the Mackrel works out at 27% carb (too high for a diabetic kitty)

The thrive freeze dried chicken/tuna treats have a different texture to the cosma snackies
 
Elizabeth and Bertie said:
Gosh, really? Is that 27% calories from carbs?
Could be useful addition to a hypo kit (for a fish loving kitty....;) )...........
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I know i was surprised too!! I bought them thinking they were LC then realised when it was too late, but never got a chance to use them as because BFG got done with diving about then.
I wasn't sure if the labeling was right it sort of really surprised me, here's the label analysis as it appears on zooplus
see what you make of it, comes out 27 with the http://scheyderweb.com/cats/catfood.html calculator
protein 13.0 %
fat 1.0 %
fibre 0.1 %
ash 2.0 %
moisture 80.0 %
calories that can be burned 540.0 kcal[/QUOTE]
 
mucacopatarica said:
what do you think about that food? http://www.powerofnature-petfood.de/en/for-Cats/Natural-Cat-cans/Natural-Cat-Can-Chicken or Nuevo Turkey monoprotein?
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That looks pretty good! Looks like it's mostly meat with a small amount of low carb veggies. It's quite high in fat though.
It seems to be around 3.7% calories from carbohydrates.

CALCULATING CARB VALUES IN FOOD
http://scheyderweb.com/cats/catfood.html
This is a very useful little tool for calculating the calories from carbs in 100g of food. You just enter the the percentages for protein, fat, ash, fibre and moisture from the cat food label.
But we usually use the 'percentage of calories from carbs' to compare foods, so for that, you just grab a calculator and do this:
Using figures from the Sheyderweb calculation: You divide the 'calories from carbs per 100g' by the 'total calories per 100g', and then multiply by 100. Bingo!

Or, if you want my 'basic but effective' Excel spreadsheet carb calculator just PM me your email address. :)
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Tačka likes power of nature (i gave her 100g in the evenig for through the night but she usually eats about 50g). I have some excel spreadsheet calculator for carbs but that calculator do not calculate percentage of calories from carbs. i will PM you. Another half hour till Tačkas next measurement. I m anxious...
 
Sara, does Tacka like cooked chicken? Maybe people just boil some chicken breast and cut it up in bite-sized pieces for their kitties. You can freeze some of it and thaw it as needed. I usually cut it really small and put a little chicken broth over it when I give it to Harvey. He loves it.

Tacka looks good today, from her spreadsheet. Good job getting that up and running! :)
 
now she has 15,6mmol/l. i think i can give her 3 units. Tačka eats chicken every day (chicken breast, chicken legs-just meat from legs :D ). This is her main food. :D i give her raw meat (i just boild it till crust and than cut it up)
 
+9,5 4.3??? I slept until now and she comes to me in bed (usually she comes whe she is hungry around 7.00, 8.00 (now is 6.30) So i woke up and measure....now she ate. Wi will see what happened in 2 hours when her new dose must be injected. It is posible that 3u is a little too much?
 
With Lantus, it can take 3 to 5 DAYS at the same dose before it stabilizes in the body. This is because at the end of each 12 hours, there is still a small amount of Lantus crystallized under the skin and slowly dissolving. You may be seeing effects from previous doses.
Also, meters may read as much as +/- 20 % from what a lab might get, so if readings are within 20% of each other, they could actually be the same.
Looking at the spreadsheet, I'm thinking you might drop to 2.5 units and try to keep that same dose, every 12 hours, so long as the glucose stays safely above 2.8 mmol/L (50 mg/dL). This would help the depot/overlap stabilize and give you a chance to study the sticky posts in our Lantus section to learn how to use Lantus most effectively.
 
I know that take days at the same dose to stabilize but she is going to low...this has become really difficult and i am so tired right now. I slept 3 hours and i again need to measure all day lon. How others deal with that?
 
If you really need to sleep, skip the shot and start fresh in the morning with only 2 or 2.5 units, even if really high. We say better too high for a day than too low for a moment.
 
i ll try today...with 2.5 units and i will sleep throug day for 15-20min at the time. meantime my boyfriend will be looking after her...
 
How many hours past shot time are you?

Give him some high carb the gourmet gold with gravy couple of teaspoons of gravy and a drop of honey.
Then test in 20minutes
 
Did you double check the number right away, sometimes we get a dodgy strip, or the blood doesn't draw properly into it and we get an odd number.
 
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