High Number, Concerned

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geekgirldany

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Catee was fed cat chow two days while I was away. Well he was fed cat chow and Young Again. He was eating both but ate all of the cat chow which was two ounces according to my friend. Now I admit I will give him a few pieces as like a treat but not that much. He hasn't ate that much in a long time.

He has been OTJ since I was able to get him regulated with Young Again food. When I got back today, his blood sugar was 210 around 10 pm. The highest it has been since he was first diagnosed. My friend took it this morning at 7am and it was 59. I told her to try and take it when I found out he was fed cat chow.

I believe he is showing signs of renal thresold. He is drinking alot of water since I've been home and my friend said he drunk quite a bit yesterday. I cleaned out his litter box and it does appear he has urinated a good bit but not like when it was high at first diagnosis.

I am so afraid his numbers have went back up and will not come back down. The cat chow has been taken away.

What should I do? Monitor him the next few days... taking his blood glucose every 12 hours? Or should I take it more often.

I've been testing him every week since OTJ but it has mostly always been in the mornings. I hope I have not missed it being up in the evenings. :sad:
Thank you for any help.
 
I'd take his bg levels a couple times a day, make sure he is only getting wet low carb food and treats and see what happens. Some cats drop back down; some need some insulin. A few days will tell.
 
I would suggest monitoring him for a few days. The dry food should clear out over the next day or so and you'll hopefully start seeing lower numbers more often. If he does need to go back on insulin, he might just need a little bit and be OTJ again. With that 59 from this morning, I'm more inclined to think his numbers will continue to drop than him falling out of remission. Paws crossed for you guys!
 
Thank you for posting. I will keep an eye on him and test a few times a day.

The Young Again Low Carb dry food is what he has been eating and has kept his BG down very well. He is not a wet cat food cat :)
Yes I am hoping his numbers come down. I freak when I see a number like that and then drinking alot of water.

He has done so well on the Young Again... I think he just got a wiff of that cat chow and went crazy. He has always loved that food.
 
Well, with those high BG numbers, you see why we tell people to get all of the high carb dry food out of the house. It's not worth the risk of losing remission, diet controlled status, to keep the cat chow in the house and give any to Catee.

Donate the Cat Chow to a shelter if you can not bear to throw it away.

Here's hoping you can get Catee back into remission quickly.
 
I agree with throwing it away. I really don't mind doing that, it is just that I've got a person at home that differa on my opinion about his BG. They think it is too low in the 50's to 70's range and then feed him a little cat chow. I would really like for him to stick to Young Again. In previous posts, I stated I could not get him over to it completely so I kept on feeding him Cat Chow. But I did get him completely over to young again but the cat chow still would appear there for him even after I removed it. Even then his numbers were still good eating a little and I mean a little cat chow. It is when he ate 2 ozs on the days I was gone and his numbers shot up.

I've been taking his BG twice a day since then. They have come back down into the 70s. It was 97 a while ago because a little cat chow was left out for him. I don't know I might just have to keep throwing the food out.
 
Normal blood glucose for a non-diabetic cat is from 40 to 120 mg/dL.
We aim for 50 to 130 mg/dL.

I hve seen a number of folks with diabetic cats off insulin test in the 40s and be fine. He can't hypo from insulin if he isn't getting any.
 
Thank you... it is hard for some people to understand about the BG numbers.

I believe he has gotten messed up on his eating. One day he will eat Young Again the next he will not. He hasn't eaten much of it since yesterday and so I had to feed him Cat Chow.
I hope I can get him back to eating on it regular.
 
You want to chang about 20-25% per day to avoid GI upsets. Mix them together.
 
I've tried mixing it with no luck. Yesterday he ate a whole bowl of Young Again and today he has only ate a little of cat chow/young again mix.

I am concerned. Also, this is a new bag of YA. He started it around the first of year. Since then he has had the sniffles and scratching a lot.
I contacted YA through email asking if there was a change in production but no reply. I am wondering if they have changed
something with the food as it does look different and does not smell as strong as previous bags.
 
Yeah I've shaked the heck out the bag. I shake it everyday before giving him the food. Before I left for work he had not ate any Young Again. I put it in front of him and he ate a little then turned away. Also started sneezing. I did give a little cat chow because he has to eat something.

I am going to Petco to get Wellness Core dry to see if he can eat it as it is the only other low carb dry I can get my hands on fast. I also order Wysong Epigen 90. There is either something up with Young Again or he has gotten tired of it.
 
I hope my posting is not considered pestering. I am just worried.

Catee will not eat the Wellness Core I got him. He tried to eat it but it seems very hard and he has a hard time swallowing it.
He will smell and then turn away from the Young Again. He will eat their treats though (they sent me a sample).
Basically he will only eat Cat Chow Indoor and I am not sure he is really eating enough of it.

I just took his BG and it is at 155. I also sent another email to Young Again to see if there is
something going on with their food. It just isn't like him not to eat some of it. Even when I first got
the food when he was diagnosed he would eat a little.

So... I just do not know what to do.

Dany
 
He could have an upset stomach. Pepcid AC, 1/4 tablet about 30 minutes before meals may help. Put it in an oral syringe and add a bit of water, dissolve, and give. Or try wrapping in a small piece of American cheese.

Check my signature list of Secondary Monitoring Tools for additional assessments you can use to assess him, especially dehydration checks.

If you've got a rolling pin/hammer/mallet and a heavy duty plastic bag, try crunching up the Wellness Core in the bag.

Also, Wellness Core is above 10% calories from carbohydrates (reported on this board in the past year or so). Evo Cat and Kitten is about 8%.
 
I get some Pepcid AC today and see if that will help.

He is now not eating but a bite of cat Chow and a bite of Wellness Core.Thank you for the recommendation on crunching up
the wellness. He did a little but not much. I know the Wellness is higher in carbs
but was concerned about getting EVO since they've had so many recalls. The only place I can get the EVO is at
a local feed store. They are open today and I will get some of it.

I am now wondering if he has nausea. He goes to the bowl and may eat a bite or will turn around.
I put the bowl in front of him and he will turn his head. I hate this. I feel like he is getting
into the position he was earlier this year.

I really do appreciate everyone's support. It helps to just talk about it.
 
I am going to keep a watch on him before having to do a vet visit.

I got the EVO... and he is eating it very well. Basically eating what he is suppose to.
The past two days he is still drinking a lot of water and urinating, I suppose you would call a lake.
It was bad yesterday. He is not going to the litter box all the time like when he was diagnosed
but it is still a lot of urine.

I am hoping that it is from the Cat Chow making his BG high and it just has not come back down.
Just a little seems to make it go high. His BG now is 80 to 100 on EVO.

If excessive water drinking/urination continues this week I will take him to the Vet.
I would think it might be his kidneys but his BG has been well regulated before this
eating problem came up.

Also, I did get an email yesterday from Young Again regarding their food. They said the
bag sent was extra fresh and he may not be use to it. The suggested for me to keep
some of the previous bag to mix with the new to transition over. They also said that the size
of the kibble has changed and the dust on the food was the probiotics, digestive enzymes.
The company said they occasionally have cats do this and are sending me a package of flavoring
to add to the food until he eat it.

Although I understand, I should not have to transition my cat from one bag to another of the
same food. Since he is eating EVO I am going to keep him on that. The scratching/sneezing was
not addressed by the company. But Catee has stopped both since starting EVO.

Again, I am concerned about the EVO since it has been recalled so many times.

Thank you all for your help and postings. I'll keep you updated if he does have to go to the Vet... which I hope he will not.
 
80-100 is normal cat levels. (40-130) .. so I would worry about his kidneys too. Although a food change could mean more eating and since its dry, more drinking.

It might be an idea to change his food to wet to help his water intake.

Wendy
 
I wish I could get him to eat wet. He has eaten dry his whole life. I got him as a kitten.

He just will not eat wet food. I've tried to trick him by sprinkling dry on top of it.
He just will not fall for it. :) Too smart. He will actually run from it. He will see me with the can of food and run.

He has been eating Young Again since May 2012 and his water consumption went down
to normal. Although his urine output has been different since he was diagnosed with diabetes.

I got the Wysong Epigen 90 today. I had ordered it the day he started having trouble eating.
I guess I will just send it back or keep on hand just in case he changes his mind again.
 
I thought I would just ask my question on this thread I made instead of making a new one.

Catee is not eating well at all. It has probably been about a week. He was eating the EVO great and then he just stopped. He is not drinking as much and it seems like the urine output is not as much. Which I guess is good since he was drinking and urinating alot.

I've been putting out three different foods for him. He eats on each one a little bit everyday. The EVO sometimes he will eat 2 ozs and sometimes none at all. He is suppose to eat 4ozs. He will then eat some Young Again another day but not much. I tried giving him pepcid but could not get it down him. I tried the syringe and hiding in a treat. Neither went well.

I am also getting bad about every time he gets up I put a food bowel in front of him. Sometimes he eats sometimes he won't.

Am I making things worse giving him so many choices in his food?

I've checked for dehydration and he seems fine but his fur is separating. Looks like ridges in his fur if that makes sense.

Maybe I need to take him to the vet. It is just so stressful on him. Plus I am being told by my friend that there is no need to take him now to wait and see.

Would appreciate any input.

Thank you for reading it helps me to talk about it with you all.
 
Are you sure he isn't getting enough food? Is his weight dropping? How many calories is he eating a day? I think evo is 600 calories per cup so how much is he getting?

We have a rough calculation on calories

Required calories per day = [13.6 X ideal weight in lbs] + 70

Also get into the habit of weighing him once a week.
Wendy
 
A couple of folks have tried baking the canned food to dry it out and had some success feeding that to picky kitties.

Spread it out on a large jelly roll pan or baking sheet.
Use a low temp, since the intent is to dry it - maybe 250 to 275 degrees.
Check every 30 - 60 minutes for dryness.

Cool and I'd store refrigerated.
 
He was eating about 2 ozs of EVO. He has even cut down on that. Based on the formula you gave me he should be eating 233 calories a day. He is close, should be eating 4 ozs EVO a day.

I broke down and got him some cat chow indoor last night. He had not ate all day and gobble it down when I put in the bowl. His BG got up to 120.

He looks like to me he has lost weight. I will try weighing him today. I guess just weight myself and then pick him up and weigh with him right?

I am going to try some Friskies again. I know he won't eat it but the drying it out in an oven might help.

I think he has just got confused with Young Again changing their food. They changed the shape slightly and I believe tastes different to him. Like I said sometimes he will eat a bite of it but then turn his head.
 
Would you describe the urine output as ounces, cups, or pints?
What is the frequency?

Thi may sound gross, put you could bag it and weigh the bag dail to get a quantitative measure of volume, if you've 1 cat, or can keep him in 1 room alone.

A couple of common conditions which result inexcessive urination are hyperthyroidism and chronic renal failre.

Since hyperT usually includes voracious appetite, while renal disease may result in decreased appetite, 'd be more inclined to think it could be the latter.

Pop over to Feline CRF and see what you think. There are a number of good ideas for GI upset there, too, including how to use Slippery Elm Bsrk to make a soothing syrup.
 
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