Feral kittens: Failed foster mum!

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Elizabeth and Bertie

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Hi folks,

I've just volunteered to do some cat fostering as the shelters are really busy at the moment, and have just had an emergency call asking if I can take 2 feral kittens this evening.
They are thought to be around 8 weeks old.

I've socialised a 4 month old feral cat in the past, but that's my only experience, and she liked to be groomed which was hugely helpful in taming her.

I'll be getting the kittens in a couple of hours and they'll go into a room on their own. It has a glass door so I can keep an eye on them.

Any tips or tricks with befriending are very welcome! I know that some of you foster or befriend ferals.
I feel as if my my mind has suddenly gone completely blank, and I don't want to mess up this first meeting.... nailbite_smile

Thanks,

Eliz
 
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Just sit in the room with them and let them figure out that you're not nearly as scary as they think you are. Toys and treats, things that smell like humans, soft things to nest in, maybe a box on it's side when they need to hide....

THANK YOU for taking them under your wing!!!
 
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Food - all food comes from you and is near you.
Be still at first and the food just out of arms reach, maybe under a small table, then gradually moved closer & closer to you, or offered on a long spoon or wand.

This may be helpful:
Socializing Very Shy or Fearful Cats
http://www.bestfriends.org/uploaded.../Adoption/SocializingVeryShyorFearfulCats.pdf

Note: I copied an older link posted here. If that is incorrect, just search their site for the title.
 
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I second that food comes from humans--hands are good things!

Some of my kitten socialization tips are:
Leave a TV or radio on in the room with talking on so they get used to human voices OR leave a calm classical radio station on
Confinement-they need to be either confined to a small room or large crate with plenty of positive human interaction
PLAY is key. Wand toys are super helpful--use the wand to start positive touching gradually replacing the wand with your hand.
HIGH VALUE TREATS--meat, cheese, etc comes from being hand fed. My last group were semi feral and I sat on the floor eating my scrambled egg sandwich. They first smelled the egg then surrounded me. I couldnt touch them first but would take the egg from my hand and run it eat it. They kept coming back though and I gradually lead them up on my lap and required touch before reward.
Clicker training is another great tool. Check out Karen Pryor on YouTube.

8 weeks is going to be tough because so much of their behavior is already learned. But if you are patient & willing to give it a try I hope you have success! We've fostered over 100 cats & kittens since 2007--it's the toughest & most rewarding thing you can do as a furry kid parent.
 
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Putting them in a room is not good, too many places to hide. I'll use a bathroom and set them up in the tub. If they are 8 weeks they should be ~1.5 lbs or less, more than 2 lbs and they are much older than 8 weeks and can be really hard to socialize.
Yes, food is the key.
Older ones I'll keep in a cage at least 24-36" off of the ground where you will walk by constantly. I'll talk and touch them for just a bit to get them used to me. They should not be hissy/spitty longer than 4-5 days, often less. They should trust you more after one full week. If you have any doubts about them being adoptable, let the group know they should be fixed and returned. Denial won't help the cat, it will always fear people and can be unadoptable. If you wait too long, it can't be returned and you are stuck with it.
Some in our group are in a constant state of denial about this and want to give them all homes. I won't foster these as I could be stuck with a very ungrateful cat for years. I've had fosters for years and currently have had one for 3.( then again I don't bring her anymore. FIV positive 12 years old+ and she hates other cats. She loves people but hates cats)
 
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Nothing to add Eliz except to say I am thrilled that you're doing this (you kept it very quiet!) and I wish you the very best of luck with it. I'm sure these little babies will be the best looked after in the whole of Surrey... and beyond :-)

Hugs
Diana x x
 
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One recommendation is to also wear a good heavy pair of gloves. If they are not used to human contact, they may try to bite you if you try to pet or hold them. And their little baby teeth are sharp. :o

Most of the kittens I have rescued were about 8 weeks. Since they were ferals, they did not trust people. I kept them confined in a bathroom and would handle them as much as possible. The first few days they would try to bite me but usually within a week, I was able to pick them up without wearing the gloves.
 
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And speaking of bites - get with your primary care doc and arrange to have an Rx antibiotic on hand in case you do get bitten. Cat bites oftem become infected and the infection can get in the bone, requiring amputation. An ounce of prevention, we hope you won't need!
 
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We haz kittenz!!! :-D

Thanks so much for the advice, folks. It's much appreciated.

Well it's all happened very fast. I got in touch with the RSPCA a couple of days ago, and didn't expect to be fostering for a while. Then I got a phone call this afternoon, and this evening our household has two new temporary residents...

A mama cat and her two kittens were spotted living on a garage roof. The kittens were caught this afternoon by an RSPCA animal welfare inspector, and a local resident offered to put them into a dog crate so they could be taken to a foster home in that this evening. Before they came home here they went to a local vet to be weighed, wormed and treated for fleas. The poor little poppets have had quite a day...

I'd already got a room ready to put a foster cat into, but even though it's a small room it's too big a space for the teeny weeny kittens, so they're still in the crate and on my workbench.
I've improvised a kitty bed from a small low cardboard box (filled with soft bedding), and also a litter tray made from the lid of a plastic food storage box with just a handful of litter on it. The kittens have had a good feed, and a good wash, and are now cuddled up together snoozing in their 'litter tray'!
They hiss when I approach the crate but that's to be expected.
I've left a soft light on in the room so I can check them during the night.

They are absolutely gorgeous little tabby cats with white chests, a boy and a girl. If they have no health issues, and if they do get to accept human company, their looks should make them easy to rehome.

The folks who caught the kittens have set a trap for the mama cat too. If she can be caught she'll be checked over and spayed before being either released or rehomed (if the latter is possible).

Will keep you updated...

Thanks again so much for your advice which I will now re-read!

Eliz
 
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Thanks for taking them in! I hope they warm up to you quickly and learn that beans can be best friends to kitties. Good luck!
 
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Los Gatos said:
What was the weight or how long are they without the tail?
I wasn't told the weight, Kevin. But to me they look sort of small for 8 weeks. And every time I approach the crate they bundle up together and it's hard to get a sense of their body length at the moment. They look almost identical (except that one has a black nose and one has a pink nose) and when they're together it's hard to tell where one ends and the other begins!

The poor little loves are looking out at an unfamiliar world today and look a little dazed at the moment...

Thanks again, everyone, for your advice and support. This board is such an amazing resource. I'm going to read through again and paste some of that info into a document I can print off.

Eliz
 
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If you were able to grab one and wrap your hand around the midsection, would the legs be touching your hand or would there be a bit/lot of space.
5-7 weeks and the legs would be touching.
 
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You can try some lavender oil on the lightbulbs in the room to diffuse some calming energy. We make lavender sachets for scared cats at our shelter. We take a kids sock, stuff it with fleece scraps (from blankets we make to sell as a fundraiser) and tab some lavender oil on a cotton ball and place the cotton inside the sock. It's something to snuggle with and helps to calm and relax them.

If you have a stuffed animal they could snuggle with that helps too.

From one foster momma to another--Thank you for saving their lives.
 
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WOOHOO!!! BABIES!!!! Good job!!!

When Monkey arrived (saved from being hawk food at about 4 weeks), I used half a syringe box for his litter. I then found different sizes of Rubbermaid plastic storage containers as he grew. He just now graduated to a small true litterbox - he's about 4 months old. He absolutely LOVES his little teddybear, still wants to use a washcloth as his sleeping mat.
 
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Microfiber towels, kittens love them. Snuggly and soft I imagine.
 
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Oh Eliz!

You never cease to amaze me!

Thank you so much for doing this. You are such a wonderful Catmum.

How are they settling in?

Eating, drinking, pooping & peeing OK?

Have they come any closer yet?

Much love 'n' hugs,

Juliet
 
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Aw, thanks so much for the interest and encouragement, folks. (And Juliet, it's lovely to 'see' you!)

It's day 4 now of this little adventure.
The first three days were pretty much the same routine: Every time I went into the room the kittens would hiss and spit; and I got the occasional whack with a paw when I tried to clean up their cage. I did feel rather uncomfortable at being the cause of so much fear. :sad:

They didn't poop for about a day and a half, which was slightly disconcerting, but then both of them produced really hard almost black poops. I think they'd been constipated. Since then the poop has looked much more normal (and has contained dead roundworms (following their worming treatment)). They're using their little litter tray just fine. But I was slightly demoralised to find that a catnip pillow I'd made for them had been dragged into the litter tray and pooped on. (Thanks a bunch, guys... :roll: )

I've been feeding them little and often, trying to get them to realise that I'm the source of the food and that I'm not to be feared. Their dish is just inside the cage and I put the food through the bars and into the dish using a little palette knife.
Then I sit and talk to them so they get used to my voice. For the most part they've just stared at me, wide-eyed, as though I'm some terrifying alien from outer space. But yesterday evening, while I was telling them about my day, they just curled up and went to sleep. I know my day hadn't been the most interesting so maybe they got bored! But it did occur to me that maybe I could bore them into submission. :lol:

It has been the case that they'd only eat once I left the room. But early this morning, when I went to check on them at around 3am, I put some food into their dish and the little female came straight over and started eating the food while I was putting it in the dish. That was a first! It was something of a relief because I was beginning to wonder if we would ever make any progress.
Then, a little later this morning, both of them came to eat as soon as I'd put the food in their dish. That was the first time I actually managed to get a good look at them.
And afterwards they washed and then played (a kitten wrestling match) while I was sitting by their cage. I'm still getting the odd hiss from them but they are definitely beginning to relax a bit. They are returning my 'blinks' now.

I've not tried to touch them yet because they are just too fearful; it doesn't seem fair on them. But, if this improvement continues, then I may well attempt that soon... nailbite_smile
I will actually need to pick them up soon to move them into a new cage. The one I have is just on loan for a couple of weeks, but also they are going to outgrow the space. They've grown already in the short time they've been here. So I've ordered a cage for them that's a size larger than the one they're currently in. And I'm really hoping that they will only be in that one temporarily. If I can get them to tolerate being picked up then I think it would be OK to let them out of the cage and into the room at that point. If they don't get to tolerate being touched then I'll have to rethink what to do next...

Will try to take some pics of them so you can see what they look like (ie, uber-cute!)

Eliz
 
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Eliz, you are doing sooooooooo well! Brilliant! I love your update and can hardly restrain myself from coming to see the little beauties in person right now!
Keep up the good work (silly thing to say, of course you will!)

Diana x x
 
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You might get a long soda spoon and offer food from the spoon.

Or try the burrito wrap and hand feed. Fission (hissy, spitty, explosive at 4 weeks) became much more appreciative when I picked her up with a towel and popped food in her mouth whenever it opened. Now, she sleeps on my bed and is my fizzy, fuzzy girl now.
 
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I'll make sure their bed is on the side of the cage. They will sleep with something poking out and I'll walk by and touch them and keep going. After awhile, they get it and go for the scratches.
 
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You could also try playing with them. Kittens love peacock feathers. I know the cage is not big now, so they probably would not be able to do this, but the kittens I fostered were always so proud when they could grab the feather and walk away with it. It was also funny to watch, a tiny little kitten carrying a feather that was at least 1-2 feet bigger than him. :lol:
 
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Thanks so much for the encouragement, folks.

The kittens have put on a huge spurt of growth since they've been here. And I can now feed them choice little bits of food from my fingers. They love to play too, and, with the front of the cage open, I can play 'tease' games with them by wiggling a long tail feather (from a crow), and I can sneakily stroke them a bit while they play. It'll still be at least a week though, I think, before I can let them out into the room, so I've ordered another dog crate (the next size up)...

...I'm a bit worried though...
...I had thought that because they're so cute they'd stand a good chance of being rehomed if they can be socialised. But I've been reading during the past few days that the number of cats needing rehomed in the UK has increased astronomically; and one source said that the 'new kitten' population has increased by over 30% this year!!! So I really don't know what chance my two stand of finding a good home... Even those folks who DO want kittens want those who are friendly and cuddly, and mine aren't.... :cry:

Oh, I've given my little homeless poppets provisional names. They are called Riley and Lyra.

Eliz
 
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You could try putting a little Bach's Rescue Remedy in their drinking water to mellow them out some. Wishing you well! Cant wait to see the pictures!!
 
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Have you been able to pick them up yet? If not, you may need to start doing it before you let them out into the room. They probably will fight a little bit, but the sooner they get used to being held, the easier it will be to adopt them. Just remember to wear the gloves the first few times just in case.
 
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Lisa and Witn (GA) said:
... Just remember to wear the gloves the first few times just in case.
nailbite_smile

Haven't picked them up yet, Lisa.
But they are getting used to my hands being in the cage when I play with them though, and I've been able to stroke them along their backs during play. They'll take food from my fingers too. They no longer hiss and spit when my hands go near them, although they remain wary. I know I'm going to need to 'bite the bullet' and try picking them up soon... I confess to being scared about it. My biggest fear is that I'll frighten them and things will move backwards; but I know it has to be done if things are to move forwards too...
The new bigger dog crate should arrive today so they should have more space in there at least. They're growing so fast! But I certainly won't let them out into the room until they will at least tolerate being held.... (If that ever happens.... I don't think I'm much good at this 'kitten taming' malarky... Am having a bit of a crisis of confidence at the moment....:YMSIGH:)

They're scared of so many things; new objects, new sounds... I've got a radio in the room with them now. It's on Classic FM at the moment, so, lots of classical music and only a little talking. They're fine with the music, but the moment they hear a human voice their little ears prick up, and they really don't seem to like male voices. Once they seem more comfortable I'll switch it on to BBC Radio 4 where there's lots of talking...

Terri - thanks for the tip about the Bach Rescue Remedy. I may well try that...
I'd really hoped to take (and post) some pics of the kittens but my DH is on a business trip and has my camera with him... I did manage to get a couple of quick pics of the female before DH went away, but they were awful. She didn't like the sound the camera made as it switched on and she hid in the back of a little cardboard igloo I'd made for them. The pics just show darkness with this tiny scared kitten face peering out, and the bars on the dog crate look huge in the photo. The pics just look like fundraising ads for an animal welfare organisation...("Look at this terrified kitten behind bars. Send money now....") :oops:
But now I can play with them with the door of the crate open I should be able to get some good pics soon...without the bars of the cage showing....

Eliz
 
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Eliz, you are doing sooooooo well, no-one could do better. Can't wait to see you (all) on Thurs!
Hugs
Diana x x
 
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Diana&Tom said:
Eliz, ...Can't wait to see you (all) on Thurs!
Aha........<Eliz hatches plan....>

Hey, Diana, how do you fancy picking up and cuddling two cute hissing spitting demonic kittens?
I can lend you some gloves but I'm sure it'll be just fine. I'll just step out of the room and leave you to it.
I'm sure they'll be just like this cat_pet_icon and not even remotely angry(2)_cat

(Only kidding. Heh-heh-heh!) :lol:
 
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Just picked them up for the first time ever. Woohoo!

Was playing the 'dragging the long feather over the floor of the cage' game and, while they were occupied with the feather I managed to pick each of them up. I did it several times, and only held them in my hands for a second before putting them back down. But I was able to take their attention straight back to the feather so they soon forgot about being picked up. :-D

Oooh, I'm 'all of a jitter' now. Need a nice cup of a tea and a biscuit... ~O)

Eliz
 
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Brilliant! I was looking for the 'like' button to press in response to this post until I realised I was on FDMB and not Facebook! Doh! But like, like, like - well done Eliz, keep up the good work and I will see you tomorrow!
D x
 
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Great job!!! :RAHCAT :RAHCAT :RAHCAT

So when do we get to see pictures of the little darlings?
 
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Good job. When this is all said and done, you'll feel a great sense of satisfaction that you taught an animal to trust. Keep up the good work.
 
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Just back from visiting Elizabeth and the kittens and I can report that they are utterly beautiful (of course) and that Eliz is doing the incredible job we all knew she would. I took some photos and am hoping she will put one up here so others can drool over them too! Go on, Eliz, do it!
Diana
 
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Many thanks for taking the pic, Diana!
Folks, meet Riley (foreground) and Lyra (lying in her litter tray at back of the cage :roll: ) They look a bit nervous here but were very soon playing again...
 

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That'll be a wrench, alright. They have their paws round your heart already. :smile:
 
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Cuuute! They will soon learn what's best for them. Auntie Eliz is the bestest!!
 
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Liz

You named them, the first sign of foster failure. Lol (ducks and runs) What cute little bugs. How could anyone resist those faces?

Mel and The Fur Gang
 
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Yes Mel, the notion of 'foster failure' occurred to me too (in the nicest possible way, of course!). I have no idea how fosterers can hand over their little proteges after a few weeks, and as far as Elizabeth is concerned... we will see ;-)
I did have a pic of the kittehs in more playful mode, maybe Eliz will post that...
Diana
 
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They are so precious!!!!

It's has been great watching you progress with them. As for foster failure. I totally get you. I fostered three kittens and mama just before Christmas and took them all to their new homes on Christmas Eve. Then I came home and cried all Christmas day and for weeks after. It's not easy and I don't know if I could ever do it again. Luckily, I still get to see two of them but I will never see the other one who went with her mama. To this day, that still bothers me. If I could have kept one, it would have been the mama.

So I respect anybody who can repeatedly foster kittens because I surely can't.

My sugarcat is a failed foster!!!

Good luck with these two. You are doing a swell job with them.
 
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THEY ARE JUST GAWJUSS!! dancing_cat cat_pet_icon flip_cat cat_pet_icon cat_pet_icon

(and just for the record, if fostering them leads to you adopting them, I regard that as foster success, rather than foster failure. Failure would be having to give them up those precious lil dots to someone else... :lol: )

Juliet
xx
 
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Juliet's right, of course :-) These l'il babies couldn't wish for a better home than with Eliz, if she ends up unable to part with them ;-) I don't think I could.
Do post the other pic I sent you, Eliz, with kittehs in more playful mode. We all love a happy kitteh pic...
D x x
 
Re: Feral kitten advice. Some progress...

I got my first purr yesterday!
It happened while I was stroking one of the kittens during their breakfast. :smile:

And they now have the chance to run around and play...
Although they still aren't comfortable with being handled I took a leap of faith and let them out of the dog crate anyway two days ago. (They were finding it hard, I think, to expend all that 'kitten energy' in the confines of the crate.)
Because of their not being thrilled about being handled I wasn't sure how I would get them back in the crate again. But I needn't have worried. As soon as they got tired they went back to the crate to sleep. So, now I'm letting them out of the crate several times a day (for an hour or two) to let off steam. It's just lovely to see them run and jump and pounce and play like 'normal' kittens. It had taken them a little while initially to get to understand the whole concept of 'play'. Toys of any kind seemed to terrify them. But now they are having an absolute whale of a time chasing each other round the room and ambushing each other in their pop-up kitty tunnel.

I sat on the floor just now with a saucer of roast chicken pieces on my lap, and the little girl climbed onto my lap to eat. And she was OK with me stroking her too while she ate (that's the first time she's let me stroke her outside of the crate). She is the more confident of the two by a long way. I'm hoping the little boy will copy her behaviour.

They are making good progress now. And if this continues then it may be that they can be put up for rehoming in a week or so... nailbite_smile
And yes, I had considered that I might keep them, but there are just too many obstacles in the way of that, so they will be rehomed. (I have very mixed feelings about that....)

I'll try to get some pics of them playing - if they stay still long enough!

Eliz
 
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Amazing progress, Eliz. I can't wait to see them again. Meanwhile sorry for the mix- up over the pics. I tried to send you one I took last week several times and I kept getting a failed message. This morning I deleted most of my emails and hey presto, the pic has been sent to you - I hope. It's a cute pic but it sounds as if you will have better ones now of the kittehs out and about - soooon please!
D x x
 
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Congratulations and wishing you more success! I cant blame you for wanting to keep them! :-D
 
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