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Good morning guys, so I got up earlier on this Sunday morning to try test my fluff ball again. I had no luck getting plastic off the lancast, i tried brake the plastic cap and the hall thing just cracked and plastic still been atached. So before I go and look for other ones I thought I might give another shot with this one. Regular paw testing, just like Tanya said, seems to me can put my kitty in risk on infection, plus I have to hold cotton ball for couple minutes to insure that blood stop( coz we are animic). So i desided again to mess with his ear. Thank you for the links again. He gave me just enough time to look for the vain...and that's it.he wouldn't let me touch the ear again. Bastard. So i gave him a treat, cuddle and went for his paw....and as soon as lancast went off he tried to kill me. So...in the end...no luck there. I wanna ask nurse tomorrow when she does his testing to see what she is doing and how. Maybe that helps. Feeding is still a little bit of a challenge. After I fail last night to make him eat enough of my special boil.chicken breast with eggs or his favorit cat food( wich is Blue with duck) I remember that you guys suggested hand feeding. So we sat on a floor together and were eating shripm...he ate 3 I ate the rest.lol I left a ball with can food thought out the night, he preaty much finished that. So we are getting close to our morning time feeding, hopefully it goes well.
 
To help with testing, choose a spot that will be your test spot and take Wenz there as often as possible. Rub his ear/foot and give him a treat (hope you can find one he’ll like) then let him go. Don’t try to test, just get him used to your touching those areas. Remember to take a deep breath first and relax, even try singing softly. Make it a happy, bonding time. When you’re both relaxed, then try to test. In the meantime practice with the lancets.
 
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To help with testing, choose a spot that will be your test spot and take Wenz there as often as possible. Rub his ear/foot and give him a treat (hope you can find one he’ll like) then let him go. Don’t try to test, just get him used to your touching those areas. Remember to take a deep breath first and relax, even try singing softly. Make it a happy, bonding time. When you’re both relaxed, then try to test. In the meantime practice with the lancets.
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Thank you for advice. We gonna work on it
 
Well, other day is coming to the end. I think we getting somewhere with trust, and me rubbing his paw and even somewhere his ear. I really hope tomorrow when we go to the vet we can find some other solutions for him, coz his appetite still not great. I wrought down my little notes from all the info.you gave me guys. I also trying to figure out the way I can test his urine for keystones, since both of them use one litter and when I had 2 they both were just using 2. I hope to find a way I can test it every day without locking him for all day on the bathroom. I know some of you said about blood testing I might have to see how much they cost.
Hope you all doing great with your fluffs:cat::cat::cat:
 
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Well, other day is coming to the end. I think we getting somewhere with trust, and me rubbing his paw and even somewhere his ear. I really hope tomorrow when we go to the vet we can find some other solutions for him, coz his appetite still not great. I wrought down my little notes from all the info.you gave me guys. I also trying to figure out the way I can test his urine for keystones, since both of them use one litter and when I had 2 they both were just using 2. I hope to find a way I can test it every day without locking him for all day on the bathroom. I know some of you said about blood testing I might have to see how much they cost.
Hope you all doing great with your fluffs:cat::cat::cat:
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I'm so happy he has been letting you rub and cuddle without running! Vader has his testing spot on the floor beneath a large lamp so I can see what I am doing. Sometimes I sit there to be able to see another task, and if he hears me he will come over for some lap time. He knows that is HIS spot, and the other cats aren't allowed to butt in. :smuggrin:
Thinking of you and Wenz today. Let us know how it all goes at the vet!
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Hey Guys, so we just got home from vet. Out sugar was 131 after 4 hours after the dose and the meal. He prescrideb mirtazapine 7.5 mg for nausea and appetite. She showed me how she does his BG check, he was very good at vet office with thag.
 
I think over all we are doing preaty Well, still beeing funny with eating but hopefully new drug will help us out a bit.
 
OLGA - URGENT SAFETY INFO!!!!!!

The 7.5mg mirtazapine dose is MUCH TOO HIGH. Don't give it to Wenz.

Will post an explanation very shortly. Just preparing it now.


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It should be 1/8 of a 15mg tablet per cat every 48 hours (1.8mg/cat every 48 hrs). What size tablets did the vet prescribe?

(7.5mg is 4 times the now-recommended starting dose for this med - and it's a very strong drug.)


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Critter Mom said:
It should be 1/8 of a 15mg tablet every 48 hours per cat (1.8mg/cat every 48 hrs). What size tablets did the vet prescribe?

(7.5mg is 4 times x the now-recommended starting dose for this med - and it's a very strong drug.)


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So 1/4 of 7.5 mg tablets every 2 days it too much?
 
From another recent thread:

Larry and Kitties said:
Thatz is to high of a dose. The standard does was 1/4 of 15 mg every THREE days.
The current does in 1/8 of 15 mg every TWO days
http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/mirtazapine-cats-how-much-too-much
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From the article cited by Larry:
Mirtazapine is now commonly used at a dose of 1.88 mg or 3.75 mg orally to stimulate appetite in anorectic cats. Side effects have been reported, and because the medication comes from the human side, veterinarians are left with few guidelines for dosing. This study aimed to better define adverse effects and the dosages associated with these adverse events. [...] A greater number of adverse effects were reported when cats were administered the 3.75-mg dose than when cats were administered the 1.88-mg dose.
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This study indicates that an appropriate starting oral dose for mirtazapine in cats may be 1.8 mg/cat instead of 3.75 mg/cat, and it is critically important to make sure cat owners know exactly how to dose and at what interval. The authors also recommend that to reduce the chances of accidental overdose, the 15-mg pills be divided into exact doses for clients before sending the prescription home with them.
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[Emphasis mine]

Safety information: Mirtazapine can induce serotonin syndrome (which can be potentially life-threatening - 'antidote' is cyproheptadine) so it's really important to have the right sized dose and frequency (and also to monitor the kitty's clinical signs for anything odd when treating with it).


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I see the drug got few side effects, do you know if it actually any good?He said to hold on on Reglan and give his this
 
Olga said:
I see the drug got few side effects, do you know if it actually any good?He said to hold on on Reglan and give his this
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Many cats get on great with it as an appetite stimulant. Other cats may have an adverse reaction to it. Some cats may need additional anti-nausea medication as well as the mirtazapine.


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We all need the little bit of comic relief every now and again, Olga. BTW, your 'terms of endearment' for Wenzy really crack me up. :D


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Hello guys!So I figured I give you a quick update on Wenzy. Let's start from good news since last night our apettite...over the roof!he wont leave me alone. This morning calmer but the same. Our favorite nurse suggested to try Rachel Ray food, he preaty much destroyed it. I checked ingredients everything looks good it smells good I would eat it myself. even my picky second cat ate white fish too I was shocked. He been much more active so that's good. So not too good of a news...we still have a problem with testing. He been drinking a lot last night,i suspect his sugar was high since it was a first time re REALLY ate almost in a week. So this morning before feeding I desided to do it a shot. Ears, forget It, not even gonna bother with them anymore. The paw....after 3 failed attempts I thought that be enough. He would not sit still and in the end started growling at me. I even picked myself just to see how it works, well worked fine one me. My sugar is 99 by the way.lol Well, tomorrow is another day. Hoping for the best. Hope you all having wonderful day.
 
I even picked myself just to see how it works, well worked fine one me. My sugar is 99 by the way.lol Well, tomorrow is another day. Hoping for the best. Hope you all having wonderful day.
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MANY of us here have done that sometimes unintentionally! Welcome to the club ;) :cat: Hopefully Wenz will relax a bit as things become more routine. I found the paw to be a much tougher area to get blood from, and after many failed attempts, found a good method for getting blood from his ears. It's a little tougher to see in all that black fur!! But as others have said here, and I didn't believe until I saw it for myself, their ears really DO learn to bleed. Good luck! :bighug:
 
I'm so pleased that Wenzy's starting to eat better, Olga! Long may that continue. :)

Here's a video about training a kitty to accept injections. Maybe you could adapt some of the techniques to help Wenz get acclimatised to testing (especially now he wants to eat; protein treats might be more of a motivator).



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Vader723 said:
MANY of us here have done that sometimes unintentionally! Welcome to the club ;) :cat: Hopefully Wenz will relax a bit as things become more routine. I found the paw to be a much tougher area to get blood from, and after many failed attempts, found a good method for getting blood from his ears. It's a little tougher to see in all that black fur!! But as others have said here, and I didn't believe until I saw it for myself, their ears really DO learn to bleed. Good luck! :bighug:
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Yes, or ears are black too and quiet fluffy. I am just so scared to push to hard...ehhh. but me beeing so hesitated pissing him of even more! But he been drinking a lot since last night...ki da worried
 
Critter Mom said:
I'm so pleased that Wenzy's starting to eat better, Olga! Long may that continue. :)

Here's a video about training a kitty to accept injections. Maybe you could adapt some of the techniques to help Wenz get acclimatised to testing (especially now he wants to eat; protein treats might be more of a motivator).



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Thank you a lot. Yes, i hope I can do it...or I should say we can do it.lol I will see how much he eats tonight and if appetite keeps on, i guess I might need to call my vet and say we eat good and he might need more insulin?
 
Re the testing, before you try the ear poke make sure the ear is really, really warm (especially if the weather's cold it can take a fair bit of time to do this). Also smear a very thin film of Vaseline over the test area, as this will help the blood to bead up instead of wicking away into the fur. (Makes it much easier to see, too.) BTW, even if you're not successful with every early test, every time you do a poke it helps to encourage extra capillaries to form at the test area, hence the ears 'learn to bleed' and it gets progressively easier and quicker to get successful tests.

While you've not yet got the testing sorted you can try monitoring how much water Wenz is drinking it. Measure out the amount of water you're putting in the bowl (weigh it or use a measuring jug) and before you refresh the water bowl measure what's left. It's crude but better than nothing. Forgive me but I can't recall whether Wenz is an only cat or whether you have more. If you have more than one cat you'd need to measure the water in all the bowls. If there's any rise or fall in average consumption then it's most likely to be due to a change in Wenz's drinking habits. If water consumption and amount of pee in the household litter boxes goes up then it may indicate that Wenz's sugars are going higher; if water consumption drops, it may indicate improvement in his BG numbers. You'd need to keep in touch with the vet about any changes and get his advice about BG testing at the practice and revisiting Wenz's dose. Given that this is a lot of work for very uncertain information, you can see why being able to home test BG is so helpful (and safer).

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Re the testing, before you try the ear poke make sure the ear is really, really warm (especially if the weather's cold it can take a fair bit of time to do this). Also smear a very thin film of Vaseline over the test area, as this will help the blood to bead up instead of wicking away into the fur. (Makes it much easier to see, too.) BTW, even if you're not successful with every early test, every time you do a poke it helps to encourage extra capillaries to form at the test area, hence the ears 'learn to bleed' and it gets progressively easier and quicker to get successful tests.

While you've not yet got the testing sorted you can try monitoring how much water Wenz is drinking it. Measure out the amount of water you're putting in the bowl (weigh it or use a measuring jug) and before you refresh the water bowl measure what's left. It's crude but better than nothing. Forgive me but I can't recall whether Wenz is an only cat or whether you have more. If you have more than one cat you'd need to measure the water in all the bowls. If there's any rise or fall in average consumption then it's most likely to be due to a change in Wenz's drinking habits. If water consumption and amount of pee in the household litter boxes goes up then it may indicate that Wenz's sugars are going higher; if water consumption drops, it may indicate improvement in his BG numbers. You'd need to keep in touch with the vet about any changes and get his advice about BG testing at the practice and revisiting Wenz's dose. Given that this is a lot of work for very uncertain information, you can see why being able to home test BG is so helpful (and safer).

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Thank you very much for all the advise. And Yes, i got 2 furry balls. I actually thought my other one was diabetic, the week when Wenz got sick i was making an appointment for her to get checked up. Now i am so overwhelmed with him, she has to wait again. This is Klo. She is 10, i adopted her 2 years ago
 

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Oh, she's like my Amadán!! He had a little white smudge on his nose, too. (((Klo)))

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I actually thought my other one was diabetic, the week when Wenz got sick i was making an appointment for her to get checked up. Now i am so overwhelmed with him, she has to wait again.
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Maybe you could try to see if you can test Klo's BG with your meter. You never know; she might be more compliant than Wenzy the B*st*rd. :D


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Maybe you could try to see if you can test Klo's BG with your meter. You never know; she might be more compliant than Wenzy the B*st*rd. :D


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Oh no!hell no:):):):)she is defenetly not, she is much bigger bastard than he is. She is like and absolute turde. She only wants to be touched on her turmes. She is very shy and very spooky. She is the most horrible picky eater cat I ever seen. I could never ever do a quarter of stuff Wenzy let me get away with. :D I would still never gave her back. She is sweet other wise. I will defenetly have to go to the vet with her. The times we did( wich was a really really complicated starting grom catching her and getting her into the carrrier) she acted good ata vet. So she be next:)
 
So we are doing good so far,again failed in testing, but i think i was rushing this time to much ( Russian rushing,you know,haha). Anyway, I think appetite is good but could be better. So tonight be 48 hours since I gave him his last pill, so I be giving him another one. I been checking water levels, since Monday theh all look normal....soooo. I think we doing good. Knock on wood!:nailbiting::nailbiting:
 
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