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The percentage of carbs in a food exactly as you would feed it out of the bag/pouch/can; as fed includes the percentage of moisture.

to be able to compare carb content of wet to dry foods percentage can also be reported as percent dry matter. This is calculated by mathematically removing fluid content

there are online calculators to convert guarenteed analysis (listed on back of container usually) to percent dry matter (or math nerd that I’m happy to explain, it’s very easy.

the food list used on this forum takes it one step further and reports percent dry matter calculated not on guarenteed analysis but on typical nutritional analysis, calculated percentages based on taking actual samples of the food and deconstructing it to get percentages. Probably tmi—let me know if you want to know more
 
SmallestSparrow said:
The percentage of carbs in a food exactly as you would feed it out of the bag/pouch/can; as fed includes the percentage of moisture.

to be able to compare carb content of wet to dry foods percentage can also be reported as percent dry matter. This is calculated by mathematically removing fluid content

there are online calculators to convert guarenteed analysis (listed on back of container usually) to percent dry matter (or math nerd that I’m happy to explain, it’s very easy.

the food list used on this forum takes it one step further and reports percent dry matter calculated not on guarenteed analysis but on typical nutritional analysis, calculated percentages based on taking actual samples of the food and deconstructing it to get percentages. Probably tmi—let me know if you want to know more
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here is a Carb calculator I found to be beneficial; I use quite often:bighug::cat::cat:
Cat Food Nutrition Calculator | Elizabeth C Scheyder
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
Thank you, at this time Kit Kat is on a prescription diet and I am going to try and change his diet.
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Good, but do try to find out the carbs, the so called “prescribed” foods are normally very high carbs between 20-25% or more you can call the manufacturer to find out
Happy Holiday:bighug::bighug::cat::cat:
 
Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
The food. you're using may be on Dr. Lisa's food chart. The prescription foods are at the end of the chart (p. 61). If you are feeding dry prescription food, Maria is correct -- it's wildly high in carbs. Royal Canin canned glycobalance is 14% carb which is medium carb.
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He is eating glycobalance dry & wet. I will look at the end of the chart, I printed the chart out years ago, wonder if it has changed.
 
SmallestSparrow said:
The percentage of carbs in a food exactly as you would feed it out of the bag/pouch/can; as fed includes the percentage of moisture.

to be able to compare carb content of wet to dry foods percentage can also be reported as percent dry matter. This is calculated by mathematically removing fluid content

there are online calculators to convert guarenteed analysis (listed on back of container usually) to percent dry matter (or math nerd that I’m happy to explain, it’s very easy.

the food list used on this forum takes it one step further and reports percent dry matter calculated not on guarenteed analysis but on typical nutritional analysis, calculated percentages based on taking actual samples of the food and deconstructing it to get percentages. Probably tmi—let me know if you want to know more
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Thank you.
 
I started feeding Kit Kats.only the Glyco balance wet food and his numbers have come way down, so now I am trying to find a low carb wet food. Chewy, has Friskies Shredded chicken in gravy and someone asked the question how much carbs it contained and it said 3.1. I have got some of the Friskies Shredded chicken in gravy. I called Friskies to verify these and have not been able to verify the number of carbs, this is the 2nd day and they still have not called me back. Would you trust what chewy said about the carbs.
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
I started feeding Kit Kats.only the Glyco balance wet food and his numbers have come way down, so now I am trying to find a low carb wet food. Chewy, has Friskies Shredded chicken in gravy and someone asked the question how much carbs it contained and it said 3.1. I have got some of the Friskies Shredded chicken in gravy. I called Friskies to verify these and have not been able to verify the number of carbs, this is the 2nd day and they still have not called me back. Would you trust what chewy said about the carbs.
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Any gravy from FANCY feast if you open the Drs food list I posted for you, on the third column you will see the carbs and in Friskies this flavor contains 13 % Carbs that would be Medium carb, I would stick to 0-10 % carbs. medium carbs 11-15 % high carbs 16-24. Which includes most any gravy brand:bighug::bighug::cat::cat:
 
I just went back to the Doctors food list and looked and it said Savory shreddes with Chicken n gravy was around 13 to 14 carbs. I have been feeding Kit Kat Royal Canin Glyco Balance wet food which has around 14% carbs and no dry food and his numbers have came way down. I only have 1 can of Royal Canin left, but I do have some of the Friskies shreds with chicken n gravy, that I might have to feed him some of that with no dry food. On chewy it says 3.1 in carbs, but I just wanted to verify that was right. I called chewy twice and they said they got their numbers from Friskies.
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
I just went back to the Doctors food list and looked and it said Savory shreddes with Chicken n gravy was around 13 to 14 carbs. I have been feeding Kit Kat Royal Canin Glyco Balance wet food which has around 14% carbs and no dry food and his numbers have came way down. I only have 1 can of Royal Canin left, but I do have some of the Friskies shreds with chicken n gravy, that I might have to feed him some of that with no dry food. On chewy it says 3.1 in carbs, but I just wanted to verify that was right. I called chewy twice and they said they got their numbers from Friskies.
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what cat food do you use, I am wondering what I should buy. I believe that the Drs list is from 2017, I do not know if anything has changed. I am still at odds about what to buy that is 10% carbs.
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
what cat food do you use, I am wondering what I should buy. I believe that the Drs list is from 2017, I do not know if anything has changed. I am still at odds about what to buy that is 10% carbs.
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I swear by Fancy Feast Pates if you see Corky’s SS IN REMARKS at the end of each day I log everything he eats including how much and how many carbs any flavored between 0-10 I keep some medium carbs and some high carbs (gravies) in case needed, at the beginning I used Kari syrup, but that was a quick fix, now I hike up his BG To safe numbers with foods and not to say but his SS looks awesome have an amazing Thanksgiving Day, and know I’ll be here if needed during holidays:bighug::bighug::cat:
 
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Friskies Chicken shreds in gravy is 3% carbs as fed, but this includes the water content being 82%. If you use a %dry matter calculator (or do as I explain below) the percent dry matter carb is 16.7%. The chart used here by many may vary because of two things: composition changes and the chart was written a while ago, AND rather than Guarenteed Analysis (the percent listed on the can) converted to dry matter %, the vet who made the chart got the Typical Nutrional Analysis from the makers and converted that to dry matter %. The numbers will be similar.
 
How to understand Guaranteed Analysis (GA) and Typical Nutritional Analysis (TNA). You will make your mom’s cheesecake for the holidays. Now some eggs are bigger than others, so you guarantee the cheesecake made by the recipe has at least 3 small eggs (GA). We however take six of those cheesecakes and chemically measure the eggs in each one. This is TNA. Some may have medium eggs. Or two large and a small egg etc. we take our results, add them and divide by the number of samples (cheesecakes) and this might say the TNA is 3.21 eggs. With me so far? Great—let’s go on!
 
To calculate dry matter percent (we will use GA because it’s really hard to get TNA info from manufacturers): BUT it’s much more accurate if you can get TNA for the calculations. Why? Because makers are cheap and put percent min and max rather than the TNA info. Unfortunately, if the max numbers of some things are high enough (say fat is 10%max), but they actually only put in 3%, then that 7% is going to significantly increase carb content (because carbs are what’s left after we account for everything else). But it is what it is so to calculate if you don’t have an online calculator:

look on the can and it will list protein, fat, fiber, and moisture. Add those together and subtract from 100. That gives you as fed carbs.

Next subtract the percent moisture from 100= %dry matter. In this example 100-82=18

to convert the carbs (or fat or protein etc) from As Fed to %dry matter, divide the As Fed by %dry matter and multiply by 100.

so if the As Fed Carbs are 3%, 3/18x 100=16.7
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
what cat food do you use, I am wondering what I should buy. I believe that the Drs list is from 2017, I do not know if anything has changed. I am still at odds about what to buy that is 10% carbs.
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You’re doing great by Buddy getting his nutrition squared away—and cats are suspicious little devils so it’s not easy changing their food.
I feed my boys tiki cat BUT a few caveats: it’s pricey, and it leans heavily into fish flavors which sometimes isn’t a good choice for cats. That said, one particular mousse (tuna & mackerel) is my reliable go to if they’re being picky or feeling sick. Methos never liked pates (they have several of those) but he likes the shredded chicken and flaked salmon, and all of the mousses so I was relieved to finally find something I didn’t have to force him to eat (lifelong picky eater).

I forget the popular brand but many here use one brand that has lots of flavors and I’m sure someone will speak up about it.

edit I’m in the process of calculating the carbs in as many of the tiki flavors as I think methos might eat, because he’s starting to get bored (not usual for him, he’s always been OCD about only one brand one flavor but he’s old so entitled to get squirrelly ). Some mousses (and probably some pates) are at or just above the carb cutoff BUT for me at least, I compensate by making part of his meal that mousse if he loves it and part of his meal a very low carb shred so overall it stays under 10%. But I admit to being a math nerd and can do that in my head while dishing up.
 
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SmallestSparrow said:
You’re doing great by Buddy
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@SmallestSparrow
Hi Colleen , Teresa is referring to her cat Kit Kat not Buddy :cat:

Members have asked her to set up a signature and spreadsheet for Kit Kat

Can you start a new signature spreadsheet for Kit Kat? I think it's confusing members thinking it's still Buddy you are talking about :bighug::cat:

I'm tagging Bhooma for you to help you with this
@Bandit's Mom
 
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CORKY said:
I swear by Fancy Feast Pates if you see Corky’s SS IN REMARKS at the end of each day I log everything he eats including how much and how many carbs any flavored between 0-10 I keep some medium carbs and some high carbs (gravies) in case needed, at the beginning I used Kari syrup, but that was a quick fix, now I hike up his BG To safe numbers with foods and not to say but his SS looks awesome have an amazing Thanksgiving Day, and know I’ll be here if needed during holidays:bighug::bighug::cat:
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I must say Corky looks a lot like Kit Kat or Kit Kat looks a lot like Corky.
 
SmallestSparrow said:
You’re doing great by Buddy getting his nutrition squared away—and cats are suspicious little devils so it’s not easy changing their food.
I feed my boys tiki cat BUT a few caveats: it’s pricey, and it leans heavily into fish flavors which sometimes isn’t a good choice for cats. That said, one particular mousse (tuna & mackerel) is my reliable go to if they’re being picky or feeling sick. Methos never liked pates (they have several of those) but he likes the shredded chicken and flaked salmon, and all of the mousses so I was relieved to finally find something I didn’t have to force him to eat (lifelong picky eater).

I forget the popular brand but many here use one brand that has lots of flavors and I’m sure someone will speak up about it.

edit I’m in the process of calculating the carbs in as many of the tiki flavors as I think methos might eat, because he’s starting to get bored (not usual for him, he’s always been OCD about only one brand one flavor but he’s old so entitled to get squirrelly ). Some mousses (and probably some pates) are at or just above the carb cutoff BUT for me at least, I compensate by making part of his meal that mousse if he loves it and part of his meal a very low carb shred so overall it stays under 10%. But I admit to being a math nerd and can do that in my head while dishing up.
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Like I expressed before, I swear by FF Pates there are so many flavors to choose from, as time went by I have narrowed down their favorites, I Auto ship from Chewy the best price, although, you must purchase in quantities of 24, so I buy for the month, no shipping, here in South Fl, the places to purchase FF have been narrowing down, and Publix markets, have hiked up the price to $1.08+ per can compared to Chewey 81-82 cents per can, and no shipping charge, game changer, the gravies and Medleys I do purchase at Publix, since I do not require that many:bighug::bighug::cat::cat:
 
Diane Tyler's Mom GA said:
@SmallestSparrow
Hi Colleen , Teresa is referring to her cat Kit Kat not Buddy :cat:

Members have asked her to set up a signature and spreadsheet for Kit Kat

Can you start a new signature spreadsheet for Kit Kat? I think it's confusing members thinking it's still Buddy you are talking about :bighug::cat:

I'm tagging Bhooma for you to help you with this
@Bandit's Mom
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Thanks. I guess I’m officially old and channeling my mom who’d run through all the kids’ names when yelling at us :)
 
CORKY said:
Like I expressed before, I swear by FF Pates there are so many flavors to choose from, as time went by I have narrowed down their favorites, I Auto ship from Chewy the best price, although, you must purchase in quantities of 24, so I buy for the month, no shipping, here in South Fl, the places to purchase FF have been narrowing down, and Publix markets, have hiked up the price to $1.08+ per can compared to Chewey 81-82 cents per can, and no shipping charge, game changer, the gravies and Medleys I do purchase at Publix, since I do not require that many:bighug::bighug::cat::cat:
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Do you feed your cat a snack, I think that maybe I am feeding Kit Kat too much.
 
CORKY said:
Good, but do try to find out the carbs, the so called “prescribed” foods are normally very high carbs between 20-25% or more you can call the manufacturer to find out
Happy Holiday:bighug::bighug::cat::cat:
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I called Purina 4 times and they never called me back. Chewy said the carb content was 3.1 and the food chart on this site by the Dr.said 13%. So I am trying to figure out the best for him to eat besides Royal Canin glycobalance.
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
I called Purina 4 times and they never called me back. Chewy said the carb content was 3.1 and the food chart on this site by the Dr.said 13%. So I am trying to figure out the best for him to eat besides Royal Canin glycobalance.
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Trust The Chart by the vet they have here. Chewy is quoting the Guaranteed Analysis—the percent seen on the back of the can or package—most likely. The chart converts that to Dry Matter Basis (mathematically removes water content) and then apparently some more math involving the percent calories each thing (protein, carbs, fat) contributes. Did you mention which food above? I’m going to be busy for a couple of hours but after that I will try to double check the math on the foods you want checked. But if they are on the vet’s list, use her numbers.
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
I have looked around trying to find out how to set up a signature sheet. All i can figure out is to delete Buddy.
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Are you meaning set up a spread sheet, or change your signature? If signature click on your name, select signature, then edit to include Kit Kat info (there’s a limit on how much info so you may need to abbreviate

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If add a new spreadsheet I may be able to explain it but I think it will be easier on you if
@Bandit's Mom works with you to create it. I’ll check back to do the food math and see what’s going on with the spread sheet in 2 hr or less (cat feeding and shooting about to start here)
 
For Friskies shreds chicken in gravy the carb content by Dry Matter percent (based on Guarenteed Analysis, the info on the can) is 16.6%; correcting this to percent of calories it is 16.5%. If Dr Pierson’s chart is slightly different it’s likely due to one of a couple reasons: the food recipe may have changed or she did her dry matter calculations based on Typical Nutrional Analysis, which is proprietary info she got from the companies for her calculations. Guaranteed Analysis is calculated from a recipe that has max and min numbers rather than a firm set amount. Typical Nutrional Analysis takes actual product samples and analyzes them to get exact amounts in several samples then averages them. Even so, the numbers will be close. There are online calculators that let you plug in the Guarenteed Analysis info from the can (or Chewy’s etc) and it will calculate carb percent. This is going to be very close to the percent after calculating as a percent of calories if you don’t want to do the extra math. Protein percent is also very similar. Fat percent is not.

Then where the heck did they get 3??? You might ask. The 3% refers to as fed or Guarenteed analysis numbers. They don’t list carbs on the back (don’t ask me why) but if you add up the things they do list (protein, fat, fiber, ash, and moisture) and subtract that from 100 you get carbs.
 
I want to ask you about the signature sheet, if I can leave Buddy's alone and start a signature sheet just for Kit kat. I am 76 years old, I have not worked or kept up with changes in tech, so I am not very comfortable with so of these things. I want to get these done because Kit Kat Has some problems that I could use some help with. Saying that I am going to look at someones spread sheat.
 
SmallestSparrow said:
For Friskies shreds chicken in gravy the carb content by Dry Matter percent (based on Guarenteed Analysis, the info on the can) is 16.6%; correcting this to percent of calories it is 16.5%. If Dr Pierson’s chart is slightly different it’s likely due to one of a couple reasons: the food recipe may have changed or she did her dry matter calculations based on Typical Nutrional Analysis, which is proprietary info she got from the companies for her calculations. Guaranteed Analysis is calculated from a recipe that has max and min numbers rather than a firm set amount. Typical Nutrional Analysis takes actual product samples and analyzes them to get exact amounts in several samples then averages them. Even so, the numbers will be close. There are online calculators that let you plug in the Guarenteed Analysis info from the can (or Chewy’s etc) and it will calculate carb percent. This is going to be very close to the percent after calculating as a percent of calories if you don’t want to do the extra math. Protein percent is also very similar. Fat percent is not.

Then where the heck did they get 3??? You might ask. The 3% refers to as fed or Guarenteed analysis numbers. They don’t list carbs on the back (don’t ask me why) but if you add up the things they do list (protein, fat, fiber, ash, and moisture) and subtract that from 100 you get carbs.
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They say they got it from Purina, but Purina will not call me back. I would like to leave Buddys signature sheet alone and start a new one for Kit Kat. It is getting late, I will try to check back earlier tomorrow. I am not feeding Kit Kat Friskies Shreaded Chicken & gravy any more.
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
I want to ask you about the signature sheet, if I can leave Buddy's alone and start a signature sheet just for Kit kat. I am 76 years old, I have not worked or kept up with changes in tech, so I am not very comfortable with so of these things. I want to get these done because Kit Kat Has some problems that I could use some help with. Saying that I am going to look at someones spread sheat.
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You should be able to leave Buddy’s sheet alone and have a new one for Kit Kat. I’m sorry no one has helped you yet to set one up. I know how to make one but not how to transfer it to you.

let me try one more time to get the attention of the tech expert ok? @Bandit's Mom is a wizard with tech and will get you fixed up in no time. In the meantime I will see if I can figure out how she makes them for others.
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
I want to ask you about the signature sheet, if I can leave Buddy's alone and start a signature sheet just for Kit kat. I am 76 years old, I have not worked or kept up with changes in tech, so I am not very comfortable with so of these things. I want to get these done because Kit Kat Has some problems that I could use some help with. Saying that I am going to look at someones spread sheat.
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Hi Teresa, I can help set up your spreadsheet and signature for KitKat. Will send you a PM with the details I need. Look for it in the Inbox at the top right corner of this page.
 
Teresa & Buddy said:
@Bandit's Mom
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Hi Teresa, I think Bhooma may be half way around the world so she’s probably just now waking up and hasn’t seen your info yet. She’s usually very fast setting things up. I’ve never done it and don’t want to mess it up but if she doesn’t appear I will see if there’s something I can do. In the meantime I know you need help with your cat and while they like a spreadsheet if it’s an urgent need may overlook the lack of one. I’ll reply in a minute on how to create a new thread. You could start a new one, explain thst you’re getting help with the spreadsheet, and ask your question.
 
To start a new thread go to the main forum section (may look a little different on a computer I’m on my phone) please forgive me if you already know how to do this

Click on the forum where you want to post, for instance the general forum
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Click on “post new thread”
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when the new thread window comes up fill in a title
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