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EllieKozak

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Good morning friends! Charlie amps 445 gave 5 u L 3 u R. He's very perky and wolfed down a whole can of his LC ff. I'm sad about how high the amps was but hopeful Bc HUS attitude is definitely improved. Does anyone thing it would be a good idea to allergy test him? At work we use the VARL company to do allergy testing and it checks for foods and a million other things. This diarrhea thing has me extremely concerned. His poor little bum is raw and there's about a 2 in diameter area with no fur from him grooming himself after he defecates. I really don't want to put an e collar on him. He already thinks my purpose is to torture him. Any suggestions?
 
Re: Charlie amps 445 gave 5 u L 3 u R

if you can get him to just eat a different protein, something grain-free, i would try that before i'd do the allergy testing, personally. Our locally owned pet store has incredible staff that can advise me - not sure if you have access to somewhere like that, but i got help for my dog from them. The novel proteins are things Charlie wouldn't have had before, like kangaroo. I would be really suspect of all the fish he eats - i'm remembering right, aren't i? isn't fish his main thing?


It looks pretty clear that Charlie has some sort of high dose condition. He's getting a lot of insulin and it's not making much of a whack at his BGs. If today looks like it's been looking, I'd consider going up by 0.5u with his shot tonight. See how he does with the 3UR today and consider repeating it again tonight if he's still over 400.

I'm running out the door to work but will get back to you later today. Hopefully others will have a chance to weigh in on this for you as well.
 
Re: Charlie amps 445 gave 5 u L 3 u R

I have to agree with Julie. It does look like Charlie has a high dose condition. But that doesn't mean it isn't unmanageable. It just means you'll have to be more aggressive in your dosing. Take a look at Cobb's spreadsheet and you'll see how long we spent in those awful pink and orange numbers! And before we joined FDMB he was above 500 for every curve we did. (pre us home testing)

You can see where the insulin pulls Charlie's numbers down, but then they climb right back up as he fights the insulin.

I also agree with Julie on the R for tonight as well. See how he responds to the dose from this morning and then, if you'll be around, you could give him some more at +6 and then his PMPS.

~Suzanne
 
Re: Charlie amps 445 gave 5 u L 3 u R

Will increase the .5 tonight. I will take him to work with me tomorrow as it's my 730a-8p shift and the only tune I'd be able to check him is at noon and I hate leaving him that long being in his fragile state. I really really hope that you guys are right in his being treatable. I can't stand the thought of not having him here. Thanks again for the support. Like I said to Sandy yesterday, Charlie wouldn't be here today without all of your advice! Hugs! +2 is 343
 
Re: Charlie +2 343 negative ketones!!!

Totally treatable! Sandy, Julie and I have all had high dose, insulin resistant cats that we've all treated. We'really here to help!
 
Re: Charlie +2 343 negative ketones!!!

I've been watching your Charlie too. Big happy dance here for neg ketones. dancing_cat dancing_cat

I have a cat with two high dose conditions. Marilyn's Polly also has IAA and acromegaly. You are not alone. :YMHUG: We know what it's like to keep trying to beat back those reds and pinks.

As for food, have you ever tried Charlie on raw? There are all sorts of novel protein choices out there. Unfortunately it's much harder to get kangaroo in the US (it's one of Neko's fav's but easy to get in Canada - go figure :roll: ), but there is venison, quail, pheasant, rabbit and many more. One of the side benefits of an all or part raw food diet is that it hardens up the poops nicely. If he'll take to raw, you can also make your own. Dr. Pierson has a recipe on the http://www.catinfo.org website. If raw won't work, Nature's Variety Instincts have some flavors that are single protein and no grain canned food. Fish (and beef) are two common allergies for kitties.
 
WOOT! Celebrating the no ketones!

Yes, - so you've got Wendy, Suzanne, Sandy & I all with high dose kitties. The two primary ones are insulin auto-antibodies - all 3 of their kitties have that. The second one is acromegaly - which punkin had, Wendy's neko has, and Suzanne's Cobb might have. She opted not to test him for that.

We know those endless high numbers - they suck. I felt like i spent the entire summer of 2011 chasing punkin's BGs with increasingly larger doses, but his BGs stayed put. THey don't look as bad as they probably were because we were using a Freestyle Lite glucometer, and when we switched to a Relion the following Feruary, the "real" bad news showed up. The Freestyles measure differently, and the typical Freestyle spreadsheet is all blue and yellow. pretty much no higher numbers ever show up on the Freestyles.

I would hazard a guess that because you haven't mentioned an endless appetite, which is pretty typical with acro, that he may have insulin auto-antibodies. It means his body sorta kills the insulin that's injected. We don't need to figure that out now - but you are definitely not alone. Just mentioning it because otherwise you might have people coming in here screaming at his high dose. The important thing with any cat is to give them the amount of insulin they need.

It looks like you're going to be ok with the increase tonight and the R.
 
julie & punkin (ga) said:
I would hazard a guess that because you haven't mentioned an endless appetite, which is pretty typical with acro, that he may have insulin auto-antibodies.It means his body sorta kills the insulin that's injected.
. . . .it's actually more like some of the insulin you shoot gets taken hostage ;-)
Like Julie said, you don't have to figure that out right now.

I want to encourage you to continue testing for ketones at every opportunity.
While I'm thrilled he tested negative earlier today, ketones can sneak back onto the scene.
Vigilance is required. :cool:
 
Great news on the ketone front.

I think it's your call regarding the allergy testing. I think I mentioned a few days ago that raw or a novel protein diet may be helpful.
 
Guard kitty on duty against evil ketones and invaders! :-D
 

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