Buddy's SS up and going questions on how to share info

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Kris & Teasel said:
I'm back and just saw Buddy's +3 number. No surprise that it's pink. You might have high numbers today and that means we won't have an accurate picture of how this dose of 0.75 u is working. You might have to keep it for a few cycles. More info over the day today (+6, +8 and PMPS) will be helpful. I think you'll have a calmer time of it.
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I am on my way out again to Wal Mart to try some different flavors of FF classic. I hope things are calm for a few days, tomorrow I take my 95 yr old mother to the doctor @2p.m. Guess I need to look at SS @ 2:00
 
wolfey said:
I am on my way out again to Wal Mart to try some different flavors of FF classic. I hope things are calm for a few days, tomorrow I take my 95 yr old mother to the doctor @2p.m. Guess I need to look at SS @ 2:00
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If you can't fit in another test until PMPS, not to worry.
 
wolfey said:
As you can see Buddy has been eating a lot today, 1/2 was FF. Let me know what you think.
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You certainly have been able to relax today. :) I take it the FF was mixed with the other RC higher carb wet food? That might be propping up Bg a little but there's also the lower dose and the bouncing after yesterday's greens. Are you planning to gradually phase in the FF and end the RC, as well as no dry? That would be best for his diabetes. It's difficult to see what the best dose might be while these three factors are operating - partly higher carb food, lower dose, bouncing from low numbers. One day at a time ... :)
 
Kris & Teasel said:
You certainly have been able to relax today. :) I take it the FF was mixed with the other RC higher carb wet food? That might be propping up Bg a little but there's also the lower dose and the bouncing after yesterday's greens. Are you planning to gradually phase in the FF and end the RC, as well as no dry? That would be best for his diabetes. It's difficult to see what the best dose might be while these three factors are operating - partly higher carb food, lower dose, bouncing from low numbers. One day at a time ... :)
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I have been worried today about leaving tomorrow for a couple of hours to take my Mother to the doctor. I told Mother that Buddy crashed and she said he did not. He never shows symptoms of being hypo. Do you know of any way I could keep him from crashing while I am gone tomorrow. I did mix the 2 together to get Bud used to the FF, and not upset his system from changing food. I must admit he ate more today than usual. I saw on FDMB different ones talking about a 0 carb dry food called young again and I ordered a small bag. My plan is to change him to FF or some other low carb wet food and try Young Again. Yesterday I gave him 1.25 and he crashed, do you think he will be able to tolerate that amount again. Guess he did not handle it to good then.
 
Kris will be along to advise you but usually we don't change doses as much as you have been. After the lows of yesterday he could be showing higher numbers due to bouncing. You are probably going to want to keep his dose lower as you wean him to all low carb wet food. Between that and the Pred maybe wearing off equal a lot of changes that all affect his BG.
 
Yeah I'm not sure I would give that if he was mine. It will, of course, depend on AMPS, but I'd probably stick with a lower dose...like 1 unit maybe if he's in pinks like this morning...less if he's in yellows.
 
I also wouldn't increase the dose to any higher than 1 u until he's on (wet) low carb food only. Sliding scale dosing (changing according to PS BG) has its place but I think Buddy needs some dose stability for several cycles. There are too many factors in play right now - post low numbers, food change, pred waning, etc. I suggest you keep 0.75 u again tonight and go up to 1 u tomorrow AM if his BG warrants it. Bounce numbers can carry on for up to 3 days.
 
wolfey said:
I have been worried today about leaving tomorrow for a couple of hours to take my Mother to the doctor. I told Mother that Buddy crashed and she said he did not. He never shows symptoms of being hypo. Do you know of any way I could keep him from crashing while I am gone tomorrow. I did mix the 2 together to get Bud used to the FF, and not upset his system from changing food. I must admit he ate more today than usual. I saw on FDMB different ones talking about a 0 carb dry food called young again and I ordered a small bag. My plan is to change him to FF or some other low carb wet igh food and try Young Again. Yesterday I gave him 1.25 and he crashed, do you think he will be able to tolerate that amount again. Guess he did not handle it to good then.
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What do you think, this is a high reading. I must admit he did not want to eat earlier in the day so I gave him 1/2 a pill of appetite stimulate. This is the 1st time he has ate this much, and it shows by numbers.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
I also wouldn't increase the dose to any higher than 1 u until he's on (wet) low carb food only. Sliding scale dosing (changing according to PS BG) has its place but I think Buddy needs some dose stability for several cycles. There are too many factors in play right now - post low numbers, food change, pred waning, etc. I suggest you keep 0.75 u again tonight and go up to 1 u tomorrow AM if his BG warrants it. Bounce numbers can carry on for up to 3 days.
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I wanted you to read my last post, before I shot. I have no problems with 0.75 u. Let me know if different.
 
wolfey said:
What do you think, this is a high reading. I must admit he did not want to eat earlier in the day so I gave him 1/2 a pill of appetite stimulate. This is the 1st time he has ate this much, and it shows by numbers.
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Yes, 415 is a high reading but I think it's still part of the bounce phenomenon. You have to look for patterns in BG numbers, not just one number to decide on a dose. I stick by my recommendation to stay at 0.75 u for tonight and go to 1 u in the AM. You can't rush a kitty into better numbers.
 
wolfey said:
I wanted you to read my last post, before I shot. I have no problems with 0.75 u. Let me know if different.
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I just tried to feed Buddy, he would eat some RC, but not with the FF mixed in with it. Maybe he needs to be on 0.75 in the morning also.
 
wolfey said:
I just tried to feed Buddy, he would eat some RC, but not with the FF mixed in with it. Maybe he needs to be on 0.75 in the morning also.
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You won't know until your AM test. It's best if you try to focus on one test/dose at a time right now. While you work on the wet food changeover it's safest to keep the dose lower though.
 
Pati said:
Kris will be along to advise you but usually we don't change doses as much as you have been. After the lows of yesterday he could be showing higher numbers due to bouncing. You are probably going to want to keep his dose lower as you wean him to all low carb wet food. Between that and the Pred maybe wearing off equal a lot of changes that all affect his BG.
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I have been concerned about the Pred wearing off, of course I want it to wear off just don't want him to crash.
 
wolfey said:
I have been concerned about the Pred wearing off, of course I want it to wear off just don't want him to crash.
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The 0.75 u dose is low enough I think. You can always lower it to 0.5 u if you think his numbers are starting to come down too much. You'll need to collect data over the next few cycles.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
The 0.75 u dose is low enough I think. You can always lower it to 0.5 u if you think his numbers are starting to come down too much. You'll need to collect data over the next few cycles.
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I am really scared with Bud @211 and I will be taking my Mother to the doctor around 1:30. He has went hypo more than once. He is wanting to eat I am going to try and see if he will eat the FF and not the RC, maybe he will not need as much insulin. Maybe even put off dosing a few minutes.
 
wolfey said:
I am really scared with Bud @211 and I will be taking my Mother to the doctor around 1:30. He has went hypo more than once. He is wanting to eat I am going to try and see if he will eat the FF and not the RC, maybe he will not need as much insulin. Maybe even put off dosing a few minutes.
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Well, he didn't bounce for long! Yes, you need to lower his dose. I'd try 0.5 u and test him at +2 to see if he's starting to drop. If he is, give him a very small snack of FF. Test again at +3. You'll be leaving around +5 and you should have enough info then. If he's getting lower than we want by +3 you can take action by giving higher carb food but let's wait a bit. OK with you?
 
wolfey said:
I am really scared with Bud @211 and I will be taking my Mother to the doctor around 1:30. He has went hypo more than once. He is wanting to eat I am going to try and see if he will eat the FF and not the RC, maybe he will not need as much insulin. Maybe even put off dosing a few minutes.
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Kris, are you out there I don't know what to do.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Well, he didn't bounce for long! Yes, you need to lower his dose. I'd try 0.5 u and test him at +2 to see if he's starting to drop. If he is, give him a very small snack of FF. Test again at +3. You'll be leaving around +5 and you should have enough info then. If he's getting lower than we want by +3 you can take action by giving higher carb food but let's wait a bit. OK with you?
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Kris, I trust your judgement, because I certainly do not know. I am going to only feed FF today, unless his numbers start going down. He has not ate a whole can of FF, how much should he be allowed before the next time I dose. He really likes the RC not FF.
 
wolfey said:
Kris, I trust your judgement, because I certainly do not know. I am going to only feed FF today, unless his numbers start going down. He has not ate a whole can of FF, how much should he be allowed before the next time I dose. He really likes the RC not FF.
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I'm here. You'll learn over time what to do. It's hard at the start and that's why this place is so great. You'll be dosing next time this evening. By then Buddy should have eaten a normal day's meals. My cat is fed 4 times a day - larger breakfast after testing before shot, smaller lunch around +5 (I often test just before to have data for my SS), larger supper after testing before shot and then a small meal at my bedtime. He eats the equivalent of about 1.75 5.5 oz. cans of food a day. That's 1 full can of low carb prescription wet food with 0.75 cans of various Friskies pates mixed in at his meals.

I don't know the carb content of the RC wet food. Does your guy like Friskies pates? Maybe those would work for him. They're cheap and readily available.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
I'm here. You'll learn over time what to do. It's hard at the start and that's why this place is so great. You'll be dosing next time this evening. By then Buddy should have eaten a normal day's meals. My cat is fed 4 times a day - larger breakfast after testing before shot, smaller lunch around +5 (I often test just before to have data for my SS), larger supper after testing before shot and then a small meal at my bedtime. He eats the equivalent of about 1.75 5.5 oz. cans of food a day. That's 1 full can of low carb prescription wet food with 0.75 cans of various Friskies pates mixed in at his meals.

I don't know the carb content of the RC wet food. Does your guy like Friskies pates? Maybe those would work for him. They're cheap and readily available.
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At this time he has ate over 1/2 can of FF tender beef feast 3oz., and I have various Friskies pates here. I guess I thought you were feeding FF and could say I feed so many cans in the morning and so many at night.
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wolfey said:
At this time he has ate over 1/2 can of FF tender beef feast 3oz., and I have various Friskies pates here. I guess I thought you were feeding FF and could say I feed so many cans in the morning and so many at night.
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One FF can is about half the size of a Friskies regular can, not the large cans. If your kitty doesn't eat much a tone meal, you might have to spread it out into several meals. ECID - "every cat is different".
 
wolfey said:
At this time he has ate over 1/2 can of FF tender beef feast 3oz., and I have various Friskies pates here. I guess I thought you were feeding FF and could say I feed so many cans in the morning and so many at night.
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I checked Buddy a few minutes early and he is @222. I am worried about what might happen here, especially if I leave for a while.
 
wolfey said:
I checked Buddy a few minutes early and he is @222. I am worried about what might happen here, especially if I leave for a while.
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So far he's good. Test again at +3. If he's going to dive it should start to show then. You can alwys give him a little higher carb RC just before you leave.

I have to go out now. You can post on the main health forum if you need advice. I'll be gone until +6 or thereabouts.
 
wolfey said:
I checked Buddy a few minutes early and he is @222. I am worried about what might happen here, especially if I leave for a while.
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My sister is going to take my Mother today to the doctor, my Mother is 95 and lives with me. I am glad because I will be here with Buddy. Years go I had a sick cat and my boss said she thought that I would be the only person she knew of to take family medical for a cat.
 
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My sister is going to take my Mother today to the doctor, my Mother is 95 and lives with me. I am glad because I will be here with Buddy. Years go I had a sick cat and my boss said she thought that I would be the only person she knew of to take family medical for a cat.
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I just took a reading @4 and he was @84. He was crying to eat so I gave him some RC wet & FF grilled mixed together. Hope I did not make a mistake.
 
wolfey said:
I just took a reading @4 and he was @84. He was crying to eat so I gave him some RC wet & FF grilled mixed together. Hope I did not make a mistake.
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No, you didn't make a mistake. That's quite low for a +4. Test him again at +5 to see where he is. He might need a little more food then. Keep the amounts small. You don't want to fill him up so he won't eat if you need to keep steering with food. Do you have any wet food with sauce or gravy in it. A teaspoon or two of the gravy is a good way to prop up BG without filling him up.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
No, you didn't make a mistake. That's quite low for a +4. Test him again at +5 to see where was @ he is. He might need a little more food then. Keep the amounts small. You don't want to fill him up so he won't eat if you need to keep steering with food. Do you have any wet food with sauce or gravy in it. A teaspoon or two of the gravy is a good way to prop up BG without filling him up.
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I took a reading at the 1/2 hr. he was @92, took another @1 hr @74. He just got some more RC with some gravy & meat from FF grilled.
 
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I took a reading at the 1/2 hr. he was @92, took another @1 hr @74. He just got some more RC with some gravy & meat from FF grilled.
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At 1/2 hour he was probably higher from the first snack. That only held for a short time, hence the drop to 74. Good job with the second snack that has some gravy. Is he willing to eat? As I said, it's important not to give too much. Test again in half an hour. Like yesterday, you want to get to a point where his BG is holding or rising without food to prop it up. His nadir was late-ish yesterday so you might need a few more small snack interventions. I'm at home the rest of the day.
 
Just saw that 96. I think you should try for another test in an hour but don't give any food. Let's see if he'll stay there or rise.
 
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