9/24 Bob AMPS=273 blood work results eyes please?

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Lkldcatlady

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yesterday's condo

Good morning all!

Well, I think I put the wrong date on yesterday's condo. I know I posted yesterday, but couldn't find the right date. Odd....

Took Bob in last night and he was just beside himself. He's usually very calm, but he doesn't feel well and I think he's really sick of going to the vet. He was shaking and I've never seen him shake. It was so sad, it made me cry. :cry: The vet examined his belly and he didn't have any problems, but he freaked out when the vet examined his throat so I was convinced there was something hideous and horrible and painful there.

They did bloodwork that could run at the office and then also sent away thyroid tests. He also did several xrays. He showed me the xrays and I couldn't see anything - he pointed out what he said was the trachea and said the esophagus ran right along the top of it, but I couldn't see that. Again, I could see poop in Bob's intestines, so I am assuming if there were any sort of blockage in the esophagus, I could have seen it even though I couldn't see the esophagus?? :? I'll have the bloodwork a little later today and I will post it.

Basically, he said there was nothing screaming at him for something wrong - he examined Bob's throat again and he was fine so not sure if he was just pissed off the first time or what. He did mention two things:

1. Bob's stomach wall or lining is thick (is that the same as inflamed??). I have a call in to get a little more clarification.
2. I forget the name, but he said a certain white blood count was a little high. He said they usually see it high in kitties with allergies and something else (don't recall, but will find out - I remember thinking it wasn't all that concerning to me).

So, he gave Bob anti-inflammatory medicine called Onsior. Two tablets ever day for 3 days.

Been thinking about it and this is kind of what I came up with. I switched Bob to the Orijen dry relatively recently. It contains fish and that's really the only think he's getting regularly, besides the Wellness turkey. Do you think it's possible he's allergic to fish? He doesn't have itching and no vomiting, but if it's irritating his stomach on a regular basis, maybe it's irritating his esophagus and causing him to cough and swallow really hard. If that's the case, my only options are to switch back to the dry DM (which actually has a little less carbs than the Orijen) or find another holistic food without fish, and in that case we are looking at around 30% carbs. He's only eating four TBS a day of the dry so maybe that's an option. I just hate to feed him the DM - GROSS! Is there anything in the Wellness that could be causing it? I read the back and didn't see anything obvious.

Anyway, that's where we are. Bob was happy to be home last night, but he looked a little poopy this morning again. He did eat and he played with his string a little.

Sorry for the long post. Thanks everyone for stopping by yesterday with encouragement. I really appreciate it. I hope all kitties and beans are well today. Prayers and ((hugs)) for those in need.
 
Re: 9/24 Bob AMPS=273 2nd vet update

Fish is a very common allergen for cats so it may be the fish in the Orijen. Wellness Core may be an option for dry food. It's likely over 20% carb. Many people have used EVO cat and kitten dry food but it contains fish. Remind me why you're giving Bob the dry food.

Onsior is a pain med. It's specifically a veterinary medication and is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
Fish is a very common allergen for cats so it may be the fish in the Orijen. Wellness Core may be an option for dry food. It's likely over 20% carb. Many people have used EVO cat and kitten dry food but it contains fish. Remind me why you're giving Bob the dry food.

Onsior is a pain med. It's specifically a veterinary medication and is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory.

Hi Sienne - I can't get Bob to eat the canned by itself. When I tried only feeding canned, he literally tried to starve himself to death. So I was going to switch back to the dry only, but discovered he does in fact like canned Wellness Turkey (out of the 10,000 I tried), but will only eat it when he also has dry. I've tried to put out only the wellness and he sniffs it and walks away. When I put out the 2 TBS of dry, he will eat some and then go eat the canned. Maybe one day he'll eat only the canned, but right now I'm happy he's at least getting the canned and I put a lot of water in it, which he loves. So, we have a compromise. ohmygod_smile
 
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Have you explored any of the newer freeze dried raw foods? I see them mentioned here and there.
I know nature's variety instinct has some that are novel proteins where you could try to get rid of any fish and test
the theory.
 
Re: 9/24 Bob AMPS=273 2nd vet update

Stella & Chewy's make freeze dried raw food that I've been using as a dry kibble food substitute - it helped my civvie who decided wet food wasn't da bomb after the kibble was removed.

Ingredient wise, it comes in chicken, turkey, duck and fish flavors (that I don't use) - might want to check into this as a dry alternative. Some say it's higher in carbs, but it hasn't affected Maui's bgs when she eats it.

http://www.petfood.com/Search.aspx?quer ... y+cat+food
 
Re: 9/24 Bob AMPS=273 2nd vet update

Dara,
I hope you get Bob figured out, poor thing :sad: He has been thru it :YMHUG:
Sending you strength vines and Bob feel better vines!!
 
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Hey Rhiannon and Hillary -

I ran across one freeze dried food, but it didn't have all the vitamins and stuff in it - I guess you had to buy this whole other food to get the nutrients in it. I'll check out the Stella & Chewy's. I don't mind trying anything!! But it's up to ol' Bob if he will eat it...
 
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You can also try some Forti Flora and sprinkle it on his food, too. I've had to use that on my UTI patient several times to get him to eat. You're getting a lot of information on this, which is always good. Hoping that Bob gets to feeling better very soon, and sending him tons of good appy vibes, too!
 
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Hi Dara,
I'm sorry Bob was so scared at the yesterday's vet visit. :sad:

Many years ago, when Lucy was on raw and was losing weight, we did an ultrasound, and they found her intestinal wall was very "thick".
She is an IBD kitty, so she tends to have this kind of problem, but I think it's what they eat.
I was disappointed to give up raw diet for Lucy, but she improved on canned food.
(It might have been one of the supplement ingredients in raw food she was reacting too. Too scared to try that theory...)
I think it's a good idea to try food without fish, Dara. :smile:
I feel hopeful about it!
 
Re: 9/24 Bob AMPS=273 2nd vet update

Dara,
Dr. Lisa's list has some dehydrated/freeze dried food info. :smile:
 
Re: 9/24 Bob AMPS=273 2nd vet update

Morning Dara! I'm glad to see the update on Bob - I kept looking for a condo for him yesterday and didn't see one so I was hoping things had gone okay at the vet. Sorry no definite answers yet, but glad there's nothing serious enough that it would jump out at the vet. I hope the diet adjustments will help him feel better.
 
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Dara, I hope it is just the fish in the Orijen. Hopefully you can find something he'll eat that doesn't have fish in it. I'm glad the vet didn't find anything serious. I hope the medicine helps Bob feel better. Sending prayers to you and Bob.
 
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I hope you come up w/ a solution soon.

Most of the Wellness dry foods also have fish in them, but the 2 Core Grainfree do not list any. The Honest Kitchen and Ziwipeak freeze dried foods don't have fish and are pretty low carb, but Ziwipeak is a little high on phosphorus. Both these foods have really good nutrient analysis lists.

The Honest Kitchen has a new product called Grace, that i might give a try. And Ziwipeak is made from unique priteiins that are often recommended for IBD.
 
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Sorry Bob isn't feeling well. It's frustrating when the vet tests don't show anything obvious, but then also good news. I hope it's just the fish that Bob disagrees with and you can find some good fuds for your fussy boy soon.
 
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Thanks so much everyone for the encouragement!! I know there is a lot worse out there. I'm just very sad that Bob has not been back to his usual self in a while. I saw a little bit of it on Friday, but it didn't last. :sad:

mariko said:
Many years ago, when Lucy was on raw and was losing weight, we did an ultrasound, and they found her intestinal wall was very "thick".
She is an IBD kitty, so she tends to have this kind of problem, but I think it's what they eat.
I was disappointed to give up raw diet for Lucy, but she improved on canned food.
(It might have been one of the supplement ingredients in raw food she was reacting too. Too scared to try that theory...)
I think it's a good idea to try food without fish, Dara. :smile:
I feel hopeful about it!

Hey Mariko! That is interesting because when I took Bob to the specialist a few months ago she said that the lymph nodes near his intestines were a little large. She felt it might be IBD or lower bd (or whatever!). She also felt that's why he's picky. :? I wonder if the stomach has anything to do with all that. I'll have to ask....thanks for mentioning it.
 
Re: 9/24 Bob AMPS=273 blood work results - eyes please?

Here are Bob's bood work results:

Bob's bloodwork 09-23-2013

Can I get the experts to check this out? Not sure about the highs on the first page (except the glucose - and I know why that was high) and anything else that looks important. THANKS in advance!
 
The elevated eosinophils are often the result of allergy. I'd get rid of the fish in Bob's diet and see what happens.

Is she suggesting continuing the Onsior beyond 3 days? If so, that is not what's recommended. I'd ask for an alternative (e.g., bupe) if she's wanting something for pain management. Everything I've seen about Onsior says 3 days only.

The elevated potassium (K) could be from the Onsior. Is Bob urinating more than usual? If not, if this were me, I'd want the lab repeated. The hematocrit is also elevated. These two values may be off due to mild dehydration. I'd add as much water to Bob's food as he'll tolerate.
 
The elevated glucose may cause increased urination, which might affect the minerals and electrolytes - NA (sodium) K (potassium), and CA (calcium)

Lab Tests Online is a good reference to learn the basic information for the test in humans, much of which is similar in animals. For reference ranges, use the Merck Veterinary Manual Online. The Merck Pet Owner's Manual is not as detailed.
 
Hey Sienne- no, only 3 days on Onsior. He said its approved for longer use in the uk so to ask for more if bob needed it, but I didn't plan to. Bob wasnt on the Onsior when they took the blood, but I could tell he was mildly dehydrated. I do put alot of water in the wellness but he hasn't been eating much the last few days due to whatever was causing his cough.

Thanks BJM for the info! Ill check those out so I can learn what the labs mean. Why wasnt the vet concerned with all this?
 
if you are looking for another dry food, this is what I have been feeding KK: Epigen 60 Cat Food. I don't know what the carb % is, but from the ingredients list it seems reasonable and he is doing well. They also have a 90% protein version which I assume would be lower in carbs. The only reason I haven't tried the 90% is that his foster mama said it made him vomit. He has liver cancer and some foods seem to be very hard on him.

Most likely the vet wasn't concerned about the individual labs because they were looking at the big picture. Most of the values are only very slightly elevated, and if they can all be explained by allergies then I'm sure they were thinking to just try to eliminate that problem first and see if everything else falls into place.

I hope the food change helps!
 
Lkldcatlady said:
...Why wasn't the vet concerned with all this?

Probably because "may" and "might" do not a diagnosis make, they only hint at a possible problem.
Just keep an eye on possible symptoms of problems related to renal function - excessive urination and drinking, pee that is so dilute, it is almost odorless and colorless.
 
Hi Dara,

I hope removing the fish will do the trick, and get Bob feeling better again. You are a good momma bean! It is so frustrating when our babies don't feel good~

Jane
 
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