9/22 Elmo PMPS.149 + 1 182 +3 48 +4 60,+4. 5 66,+5 61,+5.5 67,+ 6 77,+6.5 71

Gave 1tMC plus 2 drops HC....was looking at last Wednesday and Thursday and both times he was going up and around nadir (7-) he’d drop again .... that makes no sense , or does it ?
 
Beth 73 said:
Gave 1tMC plus 2 drops HC....was looking at last Wednesday and Thursday and both times he was going up and around nadir (7-) he’d drop again .... that makes no sense , or does it ?
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Yes they can drop again if it is a strong cycle and the food is wearing off.
Beth you know that cats like to keep their owners guessing and on their toes. The minute they see you relaxing they go into action again:joyful:
 
Last time I gave him a bigger amount of HC he threw it up ......would it work by giving MC and how much ? Did you do that with Sheba ? And how would I know whether or not he did a late drop ?
 
Beth 73 said:
Last time I gave him a bigger amount of HC he threw it up ......would it work by giving MC and how much ?
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If you think he's going to throw up then don't give it to him! We don't want that!
If you want to try it, you can choose the % of carbs and how much.
Make a note in the SS what you give him and the effect it has on the SS.
It will be good data to have for future reference..
It's called aborting the cycle and can be done if the carer is too tired to keep testing, or the carer has to leave the house or similar circumstances.
 
I’m tempted but leary..... seeing he dropped at + 7 both times last week causes me to want to see this thru until then...... let’s see what this next result is ....instead of giving just a teaspoon Would it work to give several teaspoons after each test ? Would that gradually carb him up ? Rather do it slowly to avoid stomach upset.
 
Beth 73 said:
I’m tempted but leary..... seeing he dropped at + 7 both times last week causes me to want to see this thru until then...... let’s see what this next result is ....instead of giving just a teaspoon Would it work to give several teaspoons after each test ? Would that gradually carb him up ? Rather do it slowly to avoid stomach upset.
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Absolutely fine to leave it til you are ready or you don't have to do it all.
Yes you can do it by giving it more gradually if you think that will suit Elmo better. You know him best.
Several teaspoons after each test is quite a lot anyway!
 
Beth 73 said:
Bron, what signals to you to suggest to stop food and see how they do after an hour ?.
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That's a good question.
What normally happens is we feed high carb food until we get the number up over 50 then we usually switch to low carb food and see if that keeps the numbers up over 50 or higher. If it doesn't stay up over 50 we go back to high carb.
If it does stay up over 50 we keep testing and feeding whatever the numbers tell us to feed. Feeding some low carb food once up over 50 often encourages them to get on their surf board and surf in green numbers which is great.

When they have been able to hold a number or increase the number without too much intervention with food we can try not feeding and see what happens. Some cats start to move up the numbers quite well after some HC but others, especially if the cycle is strong, will need more food interventions to keep them safe.
Collecting data and writing notes in the remarks column about food will be great for you to look back on for future reference.
 
I have a notebook where I keep a daily log . Probably be good to transfer some of the info to SS so anyone helping could see...like how he can be going up then drop at ab nadir .... believing it won’t happen this time . Would you say Elmo has strong cycles ?
 
+ 6. 77......thots , Bron on what to feed ?. Could I mix 2 t MCgravy in a little water so not so rich ? I’ve been giving small amounts of SEB all along to help his stomach
 
Beth 73 said:
+ 6. 77......thots , Bron on what to feed ?. Could I mix 2 t MCgravy in a little water so not so rich ? I’ve been giving small amounts of SEB all along to help his stomach
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If you want him to surf in greens just feed him low carb.
If you want to abort the cycle and maybe get to bed earlier then feed some higher carb food.

Beth 73 said:
Would you say Elmo has strong cycles ?
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On 9/18 and 9/19 in the pm cycle, Elmo had two long green cycles where you had to feed a lot of higher carb food to keep him up over 50. I would call those strong cycles.
 
What would you do at this +6 of 77? Switch to LC plus some MC gravy ??? What to do when stomach is getting full ? Or can I add water to MC gravy and syringe ....he is ab finished eating I believe
 
Did side by side with meters. Confirm ( meter I’ve been using all night) said 71......Prime said 90.... at +6.5. Will now be using Prime ....this is a bit scary ....is that a big difference ? Strips for the Confirm will be here in 2 days which does me no good right now
 
+6.5 71 on confirm meter
+6.5 90 on Prime meter
So from now on you will be testing on Prime meter, yes?
If you are not going to feed HC to abort the cycle then don't feed too much in case he won't eat.
He's doing fine and quite safe.
Can you update the SS when you have time please Beth.
 
Challenging here in the wee hours to reconcile the two readings .... the 90 says he’s in fine shape .... do u split the difference and go with that number as far as tonight ? Bad timing on having to use backup meter :(
 
+7 86. Prime .....honestly,Bron, I don’t know what to do ....I’m dealing with a sick civvie as well as these all nighters... my decision making is ab shot......and now throwing the backup meter into the mix....and having him drop at +7-8 after numbers have been rising those last two all nighters .....feed the LC MC mix for another hour to make sure he doesn’t suddenly deep dive ...I’m at a loss
 
Beth 73 said:
Challenging here in the wee hours to reconcile the two readings .... the 90 says he’s in fine shape .... do u split the difference and go with that number as far as tonight ? Bad timing on having to use backup meter :(
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I think we have to go with the Prime number now but to take into account that it is reading 19 points higher than the Confirm Meter. So if we see what the next reading is we will be able to see where Elmo is heading.
 
Beth 73 said:
+7 86. Prime .....honestly,Bron, I don’t know what to do ....I’m dealing with a sick civvie as well as these all nighters... my decision making is ab shot......and now throwing the backup meter into the mix....and having him drop at +7-8 after numbers have been rising those last two all nighters .....feed the LC MC mix for another hour to make sure he doesn’t suddenly deep dive ...I’m at a loss
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I'm sorry you are having a rough time witha sick civvie and no sleep. It makes decision making hard.
+7 86 that is pretty close to 90 so basically the same.
If he'll eat some LC if give him a teaspoon and then test in 30
How does that sound.
And make yourself a cup of tea or coffee.
 
Giving 1 t LC plus 1/4 t MC gravy.....test in 30.....and so many thanks, Bron, for giving up all this time ... I feel badly for that ....
 
Should I continue to feed the LC MC mix for another round or try no food and test in 30 minutes ?
 
Jill & Scooter said:
@LizzieInTexas Lizzie, did you get any of the flooding? (Sorry for the highjack Beth)
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I don't know why I don't get tag notifications. Anyway, it was a mess. More flooding at the house than during Harvey, Ike or Rita but didn't make it to the house. Hubby was trapped on the other side of town and finally made it to his mom's where he spent the night. Thanks for thinking of us :bighug: Need a Scooter update :cool:
 
+8 103..no food..(Prime backup meter).... safe to catch a few quick winks ?.. will be up in an hour and a half ....what y’all think
 
What a night! Thank Goodness Bron of Oz ( the new moniker) and Lou were around to help you. Elmo is on a mission ! Get some sleep Beth! And congratulations on the reduction. I always loved when Bubba would get a reduction after I did an all nighter. It was my reward !
 
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