8/12 Snoball AMPS=238 PMPS=95 +3=55 +4=72 +7=238
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hmjohnston
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Re: 8/12 Snoball AMPS=238
The 51 wasn't really a hypo #- normal cats stay in that range.
But, after 5 days on the 1.75 he started to come down- that shows you he takes a long time to settle in a dose and you might can actually hold up to 7 days just to make sure.
Did you feed a different carb % in the last few days? Sneakers will show a 50 pt difference in a 2% change in carb count. FF 4 & 5% will read low yellows while a Merricks before grain will give me lovely blues- just about every time.
I bet he was happy no matter what as the levels where better in the last day or two. Beware the BOUNCE though- Sneakers does hers 2-3 cycles AFTER the low point. Kind of like her body says "YES! I love this!!!" and then goes "Oh, snap, what did I just do???!!! Let's raise it up now!"
The 51 wasn't really a hypo #- normal cats stay in that range.
But, after 5 days on the 1.75 he started to come down- that shows you he takes a long time to settle in a dose and you might can actually hold up to 7 days just to make sure.
Did you feed a different carb % in the last few days? Sneakers will show a 50 pt difference in a 2% change in carb count. FF 4 & 5% will read low yellows while a Merricks before grain will give me lovely blues- just about every time.
I bet he was happy no matter what as the levels where better in the last day or two. Beware the BOUNCE though- Sneakers does hers 2-3 cycles AFTER the low point. Kind of like her body says "YES! I love this!!!" and then goes "Oh, snap, what did I just do???!!! Let's raise it up now!"
RobinCot
Member Since 2013
Re: 8/12 Snoball AMPS=238
Oh sorry... that was a typo - I did mean that he's getting good numbers WITHOUT going hypo...
The only change in his diet is that I ran out of raw food so from Saturday evening on he was solely on Tikicat canned and Merrick BG canned. Makes me wonder how many carbs are really in the catinfo.org recipe. I am making a new batch tonight so I will see if this affects his numbers. At least if he's bouncing it is just to the yellows and not the pinks like before.
Oh sorry... that was a typo - I did mean that he's getting good numbers WITHOUT going hypo...
The only change in his diet is that I ran out of raw food so from Saturday evening on he was solely on Tikicat canned and Merrick BG canned. Makes me wonder how many carbs are really in the catinfo.org recipe. I am making a new batch tonight so I will see if this affects his numbers. At least if he's bouncing it is just to the yellows and not the pinks like before.
RobinCot
Member Since 2013
Re: 8/12 Snoball AMPS=238 PMPS=95 +3=55 Oops
Ok so I am not panicking... he has had Tiki canned and a plate of raw this evening and his +3 is 55 - WHAT??? I will definitely be getting more tests in tonight. My civvies found some catnip toys and he is playing with them for it. We just had a good brushing where he purred and rolled on his back to have his tummy rubbed so everything seems really normal. I will be watching him...
Ok so I am not panicking... he has had Tiki canned and a plate of raw this evening and his +3 is 55 - WHAT??? I will definitely be getting more tests in tonight. My civvies found some catnip toys and he is playing with them for it. We just had a good brushing where he purred and rolled on his back to have his tummy rubbed so everything seems really normal. I will be watching him...
Deb & Wink
Member Since 2013
Re: 8/12 Snoball AMPS=238 PMPS=95 +3=55 +4=72
Karo syrup on hand, just in case?
Have you gotten another BG reading since that +3?
Karo syrup on hand, just in case?
Have you gotten another BG reading since that +3?
RobinCot
Member Since 2013
+7 was at 238!!! Very strange. I missed the +6 Does it look like his nadir is early? Like at +3-+4? The last five hours of his cycle were high and flat (238-256).
Actually, I just saw that my am post was at 3 instead of 2 so that would be a +8 instead of a +7. So the last four hours of his cycle were high and flat.
Actually, I just saw that my am post was at 3 instead of 2 so that would be a +8 instead of a +7. So the last four hours of his cycle were high and flat.
nckitties3
Member Since 2013
It's ok, just a bounce off the lower numbers. And he obviously likes those lower numbers with the way he plays, etc, it's just that is body isn't used to them and tries to overcome it by sending him higher. Even with his bounce, he's still under renal threshold which is important. Having the bounciest kitty in the world, I'm used to it, but I can see where someone else might bug out.
It'll be fine, it takes time. The bounces will become less extreme and further apart as his body gets used to being in good numbers. How long does it take? As long as it takes. They'll bounce till they don't. Not a thing you can do about it, except keep track and keep adding data to his SS.
Getting back to his normal food may make a difference. Be sure to add that info to his SS, it could be very helpful in the long run, when looking for patterns in his numbers. Some people keep track of a lot of things, even moon phases. There are some that swear they're cats go higher during full moon. Mel's cat Autumn is sensitive to everything, a thunderstorm will send her soaring. Anytime he's higher than he should be, try to look at the big picture. Is it storming, did he get into a fight with a housemate, etc? You'd be amazed at what effects their BG's. Because Lucian was so high for so long, I could never tell. But I notice he seems to go higher before he hurls a furball and drops down afterwards. I've heard other cats do the same with furballs. So I'm starting to look at other things myself.
And yes, they can nadir at almost any time. Lucian had that down to an art, anywhere between +2-+11.
:lol: He got the label of being Predictably Unpredictable. You never knew what he was doing at any given time. There is no cat that will nadir at +6 constantly, there is always variants. A couple hours either way is normal and it can vary more than that. Keep in mind, everything is data and serves a purpose in the long run.
We all want our kitties at 80 all the time, but that is very rare, hang in there, you're doing fine. :thumbup
It'll be fine, it takes time. The bounces will become less extreme and further apart as his body gets used to being in good numbers. How long does it take? As long as it takes. They'll bounce till they don't. Not a thing you can do about it, except keep track and keep adding data to his SS.
Getting back to his normal food may make a difference. Be sure to add that info to his SS, it could be very helpful in the long run, when looking for patterns in his numbers. Some people keep track of a lot of things, even moon phases. There are some that swear they're cats go higher during full moon. Mel's cat Autumn is sensitive to everything, a thunderstorm will send her soaring. Anytime he's higher than he should be, try to look at the big picture. Is it storming, did he get into a fight with a housemate, etc? You'd be amazed at what effects their BG's. Because Lucian was so high for so long, I could never tell. But I notice he seems to go higher before he hurls a furball and drops down afterwards. I've heard other cats do the same with furballs. So I'm starting to look at other things myself.
And yes, they can nadir at almost any time. Lucian had that down to an art, anywhere between +2-+11.
:lol: He got the label of being Predictably Unpredictable. You never knew what he was doing at any given time. There is no cat that will nadir at +6 constantly, there is always variants. A couple hours either way is normal and it can vary more than that. Keep in mind, everything is data and serves a purpose in the long run.We all want our kitties at 80 all the time, but that is very rare, hang in there, you're doing fine. :thumbup
RobinCot
Member Since 2013
Oh gosh Debbie - you answered so many questions for me. It is so good to know that the bouncing could lessen down to a dribble as he gets used to lower numbers. I was having a hard time understanding how you could get persistent good numbers if they just keep bouncing out of them. "They'll bounce till they don't" -- I can live with that.
I am watching the whole raw equation and have noted it on his chart. I should also note that he is no longer in forced isolation although he does spend most of the day in his room voluntarily. I will also pay more attention to the moon.... ;-)
It's also good to know that their nadirs can vary. I keep trying to figure out where his is but I feel like I am chasing a laser light.
I am going to tell him about Lucian's numbers today to see if his competitive spirit will kick in and talk to his pancreas.
Thanks for the encouragement.
I am watching the whole raw equation and have noted it on his chart. I should also note that he is no longer in forced isolation although he does spend most of the day in his room voluntarily. I will also pay more attention to the moon.... ;-)
It's also good to know that their nadirs can vary. I keep trying to figure out where his is but I feel like I am chasing a laser light.
I am going to tell him about Lucian's numbers today to see if his competitive spirit will kick in and talk to his pancreas.
Thanks for the encouragement.
nckitties3
Member Since 2013
You can always tell when I'm doing well, health wise, I get real wordy. :lol: If I'm not well, I'm not on the board much and only short replies, if any, other than Lucian's condo. So yeah, I feel pretty good today.
I don't often give advice, I've had some poor experiences, but I want you to know you're doing fine and not to worry so much.
It's education under fire with FD and with Lucian, even harder.
I'm interested in seeing how the food change effects him. I've considered going raw with Lucian, with all of them, but never have. He won't eat anything twice in a row! :roll: I may have to try it just to see. If he won't eat it, he won't eat it. But, logic tells me, if a cat has the same food all the time, their numbers might be more consistent. At least you would know a deviation wasn't from the food. I may be wrong, but logically it seems that way. For that matter, it seems like it would be more consistent with any food as long as there was no variation. If all they ate was FF Chicken, there would be little change in the numbers. Know what I mean? Not sure I'm explaining what I'm thinking. The issue with Lucian is getting him to eat the same thing twice. I always have 2,3,4 cans open at any given time. Like today, he chowed down on Mixed grill for breakfast, refused to touch it at lunch. Go figure. I feel like, if I could find ONE food that he would eat all the time, his numbers would be more consistent. The funny thing? He ate the same dry for 14 years! No variety at all! But won't eat the same flavor wet food twice in a day! ohmygod_smile
I don't often give advice, I've had some poor experiences, but I want you to know you're doing fine and not to worry so much.
It's education under fire with FD and with Lucian, even harder.
I'm interested in seeing how the food change effects him. I've considered going raw with Lucian, with all of them, but never have. He won't eat anything twice in a row! :roll: I may have to try it just to see. If he won't eat it, he won't eat it. But, logic tells me, if a cat has the same food all the time, their numbers might be more consistent. At least you would know a deviation wasn't from the food. I may be wrong, but logically it seems that way. For that matter, it seems like it would be more consistent with any food as long as there was no variation. If all they ate was FF Chicken, there would be little change in the numbers. Know what I mean? Not sure I'm explaining what I'm thinking. The issue with Lucian is getting him to eat the same thing twice. I always have 2,3,4 cans open at any given time. Like today, he chowed down on Mixed grill for breakfast, refused to touch it at lunch. Go figure. I feel like, if I could find ONE food that he would eat all the time, his numbers would be more consistent. The funny thing? He ate the same dry for 14 years! No variety at all! But won't eat the same flavor wet food twice in a day! ohmygod_smile
hmjohnston
Member Since 2011
For Snowball- think of it like a pendulum, swinging slowly back and forth. All of a sudden the BG drops to a really GOOD number- say 50- it raises the pendulum far to one side... well, it then swings far to the other side in response. After getting a few runs (dozens in our case) of good numbers the pendulum doesn't swing so far to the other side in response as it isn't as out of 'order/line' with the other numbers anymore.
Deb- keeping to one carb count is the best to do a run. Early on Sneakers got any and all FF 8% and under- AND she was so inconsistent it was mind-boggling. What I did was chose one carb % and bought all of the kinds in that %- sometimes it was 3, sometimes it was 4, if she was lucky it was 5. B/c our grey kitties think alike- what I eat now cannot be the same as what I ate last, nor the same as what is to come next. I have 5 bags in the freezer with frozen cubes in them and still have 2 open cans in the fridge :lol: :roll: It wasn't until I made the point to stick to it that she cleared the bouncing. Not that she wasn't in the pinks and reds (before I found out she was acro) but it wasn't the full spectrum up into the black that was normal for her.
And I did make raw for a time- but my girl got tired of it and stopped eating it. Time to get it out of the freezer again...
Deb- keeping to one carb count is the best to do a run. Early on Sneakers got any and all FF 8% and under- AND she was so inconsistent it was mind-boggling. What I did was chose one carb % and bought all of the kinds in that %- sometimes it was 3, sometimes it was 4, if she was lucky it was 5. B/c our grey kitties think alike- what I eat now cannot be the same as what I ate last, nor the same as what is to come next. I have 5 bags in the freezer with frozen cubes in them and still have 2 open cans in the fridge :lol: :roll: It wasn't until I made the point to stick to it that she cleared the bouncing. Not that she wasn't in the pinks and reds (before I found out she was acro) but it wasn't the full spectrum up into the black that was normal for her.
And I did make raw for a time- but my girl got tired of it and stopped eating it. Time to get it out of the freezer again...
nckitties3
Member Since 2013
Really Heather? I have been thinking along those lines for quite a while. Yup, that's my grey! Refuses to eat anything twice. The only one he might eat back to back, is Whitefish and tuna. He'll usually eat that twice, but forget 3 times. I was considering trying restricting to just that one, but he won't eat it all day, even though it's his favorite.
It makes sense to me that it would be easier to regulate them, if the carbs they got were always the same. But he's doing so much better on the Lev, I hadn't thought about it.
I hear ya, I always have several open and sometimes a couple in the fridge too. :roll:
It makes sense to me that it would be easier to regulate them, if the carbs they got were always the same. But he's doing so much better on the Lev, I hadn't thought about it.
I hear ya, I always have several open and sometimes a couple in the fridge too. :roll:
RobinCot
Member Since 2013
I so know about those food swings. With the raw though it always seems to be a bit different. Sometimes more liver and sometimes more water and sometimes less psyllium. They let me know. I only get two kinds of Tiki Cats, the two lowest on the carb list. I don't worry about my sugarfoster but I worry about the civvies who get tired of the same food but I say, So what - this is it and they may reject it at first but it is usually gone by the next feeding. I guess I have told my cats that I am in charge and what I put down is it or else - they get it. I do have one older civvie who I have ruined by dry food and for her I make exceptions. The third civvie will only eat the raw with Fortiflora poured all over it and then he needs his entre which is Tiki. I hate that everyone is eating something different but am willing to go along with it as long as it is better or them.
Debbie = I think I found a real friend here and I appreciate your camaraderie. I look forward to getting to know you more. I can always count on Deb and Wink along with Heather and sometimes Wendy and Tiggy to help me out as well. Please know that when you respond to my condos it is soooooo appreciated. It feels like I am not alone in this sugardance. I love this board.
Debbie = I think I found a real friend here and I appreciate your camaraderie. I look forward to getting to know you more. I can always count on Deb and Wink along with Heather and sometimes Wendy and Tiggy to help me out as well. Please know that when you respond to my condos it is soooooo appreciated. It feels like I am not alone in this sugardance. I love this board.
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