8/07 Butters PM+3 45/+3.3 49/+3.6 38/+4 61/+4.5 63/+5.5 43/+6 56/+6.5 56/+7 70/+7.5 45/+8 74/+8.7 99

Red & Rover (GA) said:
Since Butters was so hard to bring up, next time try less gravy and more syrup.
Make notes of what you fed and put them in the Notes part of your SS. Always good to be able to refer to when figuring what works and when. Of course, cats do like to confuse us.

And a reduction in the a.m. to 0.5 units. Congrats.
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Looks like I'm learning who the night owls are. :)

Thanks Red. I will try more syrup next time. My SS is a hot mess for this cycle right now. I'll get it all fixed up with all the food info and everything tomorrow.
 
When you got that 70 @ +7, in theory we could have waited an hour, +8, to get the final test. But, since she's beyond +6 her somewhat nadir time and you really need to get to bed a +7.5 should work. Let's keep our paws crossed she's finished with the funny business!
 
Briere Fur Mom said:
When you got that 70 @ +7, in theory we could have waited an hour, +8, to get the final test. But, since she's beyond +6 her somewhat nadir time and you really need to get to bed a +7.5 should work. Let's keep our paws crossed she's finished with the funny business!
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I mean, I don't really need to go to bed. Like I'm super tired and feeling punch drunk...this is my second night in a row of this, though yesterday wasn't quite as intense. I don't have to work in the morning, though. Should I wait the full hour? No expectation for you to wait with me! You've done so much already.
 
You can use the syrup as Red recommended earlier....a very small amount of food(~1/2 tsp) and about 1/4 tsp of the syrup. Applying it directly to the gums generally results in a quicker # climb but also a quicker # drop
 
Yay! I'm sure this is sugar/carb influenced though....as you know. I don't quite understand why were not seeing the insulin "wearing" off a bit. This was a bounce breaking cycle which is always very exciting. The only other thing I can think of would be a double dip. They dip for nadir than dip again before their next shot.
 
Mandy, it is almost coming on 2am for you and me! I feel like I have learned a tonne from both you and Tanya tonight...and Red jumping in with some tips on the syrup which surely helped get her up.

I am confident I can stay up and handle things from here...if you could guide me on how many more tests I need at this point? If she is higher than 74 @ +8.5, is that enough for me to go to sleep...or do I just give into the all nighter and keep testing? She gets her insulin in 3.5 hours! LOL.
 
Butters & Lyla said:
Mandy, it is almost coming on 2am for you and me! I feel like I have learned a tonne from both you and Tanya tonight...and Red jumping in with some tips on the syrup which surely helped get her up.

I am confident I can stay up and handle things from here...if you could guide me on how many more tests I need at this point? If she is higher than 74 @ +8.5, is that enough for me to go to sleep...or do I just give into the all nighter and keep testing? She gets her insulin in 3.5 hours! LOL.
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Oh for clarity....I feel like you should get some sleep!
 
A Mod or another member with far more experience may be able to answer why this cycle was sooo dramatic.

Something to throw out there. I'm sure other have probably already mentioned dosing with calipers. The reason I began using calipers is because of the inaccuracy of insulin syringes. Out of a box of 100 syringes only 30 had correctly placed zero lines. Meaning I was giving inconsistent doses. I used my 16x jewelers loop to get a good look at the zero line marks. They were all over the place. Some were high and low and even slanted. Not trying to overwhelm you at all mind you.
 
Briere Fur Mom said:
Yay! I'm sure this is sugar/carb influenced though....as you know. I don't quite understand why were not seeing the insulin "wearing" off a bit. This was a bounce breaking cycle which is always very exciting. The only other thing I can think of would be a double dip. They dip for nadir than dip again before their next shot.
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I am putting this here more for posterity for this thread than anything else...but I definitely shot the correct dose of insulin. I triple check every dose and I always measure against a syringe I filled with coloured water that is at the right dose.

Am I even making sense anymore...lolol....I ahve no idea.
 
Briere Fur Mom said:
A Mod or another member with far more experience may be able to answer why this cycle was sooo dramatic.

Something to throw out there. I'm sure other have probably already mentioned dosing with calipers. The reason I began using calipers is because of the inaccuracy of insulin syringes. Out of a box of 100 syringes only 30 had correctly placed zero lines. Meaning I was giving inconsistent doses. I used my 16x jewelers loop to get a good look at the zero line marks. They were all over the place. Some were high and low and even slanted. Not trying to overwhelm you at all mind you.
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Funny enough, I had noticed that you have calipers in your signature. I have been trying the eyeball method and keeping a pre-filled syringe to compare against, but it is really hard to do.
Are calipers easy to use? Do you need any other special equipment or just digital calipers and a 16x jeweler's loop?
 
Butters & Lyla said:
Mandy, it is almost coming on 2am for you and me! I feel like I have learned a tonne from both you and Tanya tonight...and Red jumping in with some tips on the syrup which surely helped get her up.

I am confident I can stay up and handle things from here...if you could guide me on how many more tests I need at this point? If she is higher than 74 @ +8.5, is that enough for me to go to sleep...or do I just give into the all nighter and keep testing? She gets her insulin in 3.5 hours! LOL.
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I wanna say she's good. But that's what i thought last time. Get one more...if you can in 30 min. If you can't you can always put MC food down and let her free feed which will somewhat "abort" the cycle.

I'm sure you can handle it from here as well. So, 1 more test in 30 if you can prop your eyes open or free feed(abort) until you need to pull her food prior to testing.
 
Briere Fur Mom said:
I wanna say she's good. But that's what i thought last time. Get one more...if you can in 30 min. If you can't you can always put MC food down and let her free feed which will somewhat "abort" the cycle.

I'm sure you can handle it from here as well. So, 1 more test in 30 if you can prop your eyes open or free feed(abort) until you need to pull her food prior to testing.
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Will do! I can wait for sure. Thank you for everything tonight! There are no adequate words to tell you how much it means that you spent this time helping me. :bighug:

I may reach out to you for more info on the calipers!
 
Butters & Lyla said:
Funny enough, I had noticed that you have calipers in your signature. I have been trying the eyeball method and keeping a pre-filled syringe to compare against, but it is really hard to do.
Are calipers easy to use? Do you need any other special equipment or just digital calipers and a 16x jeweler's loop?
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Digital calipers and that all most people use. I like to be super accurate so I bought a light board to illuminate the background.Makes seeing the lines easier. Already had the jewelers loop. Some peeps use magnifying glasses and other types products. Once you get the hang of using the calipers and getting the proper dose using them...it's a lifesaver. You never have to question the syringes or yourself again. Here's a link on how to use them https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/dosing-with-calipers-updated-w-videos.79851/ I had a love/hate relationship with them in the beginning but learned to rely on them. Some other members use them as well. @Sue and Luci is one.


ETA That is all most people use.
 
KittenTheCat said:
What a ride Butter’s has been giving you! You’re doing such a great job! Hopefully those BG numbers start to rise so you can get some sleep tonight! If not there’s always coffee o_O :coffee:
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Thanks! I had a tonne of help!!!

I think I have given up on any thoughts of sleep. Her AMPS is three hours from now...thank goodness for caffeine...it is going to be my bff today...:coffee::coffee:
 
thebigfuzz said:
Good Morning!

Looks like the excitement didn't quite end last night ;)

Hope the last part of the cycle went OK?
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Maybe another hour an a half or so :). It is a bit of a blur, but @Briere Fur Mom had me try to coat her gums in sugar syrup and then I soaked freeze dried treats in the stuff. Butters and I were both sticky messes, but doing that finally brought her up! :joyful: I did a final test at 8.75 and was confident she wouldn't drop before her AMPS.
 
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