6/30 Oberon AMPS 358, +4 368, +8 321, PMPS 364, +4 314 | Feline Diabetes Message Board - FDMB

6/30 Oberon AMPS 358, +4 368, +8 321, PMPS 364, +4 314

Lisa & Oberon

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yesterday: https://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB...amps-235-4-210-8-5-247-pmps-312-4-367.265216/

What a difference between 5 and 5.25,. Hope you can keep him green without limes this time.

Yeah, it really seems like we're walking a fine line here. I have a few thoughts about it. One is that the antibodies are binding up a lot of the insulin, so seemingly small changes have large effects. (Hypothetical numbers: Say antibodies are binding 4.5 U of insulin, so when we give 5 U the effective dose is 0.5 U, and bumping up to 5.25 (effectively 0.75 U) is a pretty dramatic change.) The other thing is that small fluctuations in the antibodies themselves would have large effects on the effective dose. (Hypothetical: say antibodies increase and now bind 5 U, so a 5 U dose is like giving next to nothing, and even 5.25 isn't doing much.) If that's what's going on, all I can do is follow the numbers like I've been doing. But my other thought is that it's possible he's developing glucose toxicity quickly when I give a BCS or skip, and I have to bring the dose up to overcome that, until he hits limes and I have to do another BCS. Vicious cycle. If that's a factor here, then maybe I should be trying reductions earlier, before he hits the long stretches of really low numbers that force me to drain the depot. What do you think?

Having said all that... he has about two more cycles to get his act together before I increase to 5.5 U.
 
Not sure what to think on your theory. I know Neko was pretty quick to get glucose toxicity. Five days without greens was bad news. She was also incredibly sensitive to small dose changes. Having said that, the 30's didn't give you much to do other than what you did regarding the reduction. I wouldn't have held 5.0 more than 6 cycles with just the one lonely blue. The BCS didn't help, but I know both you and Tim were exhausted so didn't have many options there either. Also, antibodies can release insulin at random times, so that factor has to kept in mind for safety. Maybe just be more aggressive about calling something a failed reduction.
 
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