? 2/18-Flame - AM=354, +1.5=362 -Not peeing or pooping yet - UGH!!

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Donna and Flame

Donna and Flame

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good morning,
flame ended up eating a whole jar of ham baby food off a spoon last nite. this morning i woke up and he had eaten a little bit more beef baby food i left in a bowl for him. this morning so far, i've been able to get about 1 heaping tsp and a little bit more watered down beef baby food into him. not a lot, but something.

his am # was 354 with no shot last nite... expected it to be higher. i want to give him some insulin, but don't know how much. it's already his shot time now.

advice please!!

@Bobbie And Bubba @Sienne and Gabby (GA) @Doodles & Karen @Wendy&Neko @Amy&TrixieCat @Dyana
 
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Since you are going to be home today to keep trying to get him to eat, I'd go ahead and give the 2.5 units. Hopefully he'll eat better today. Sending prayers.
 
I'm not qualified to give dosing advice. I did want to suggest something for his breathing though. When Tarragon is having a really hard time breathing, we go in our guest bathroom and run the shower as hot as it will go and sit in there for 30 minutes or so. It is a smallish space so it works pretty well. Vines for sweet Flame and hugs for you Donna!
 
@Doodles & Karen I'm not sure I feel safe doing that. I am probably going to take him to the vet and I am not sure they will monitor him like I would. Could this be pancreatitis? He wants to eat. he keeps getting up and going into the kitchen and I follow and hold the spoon with baby food for him and he licks a little and they looks nauseous again.
 
Donna, if you don't feel comfortable shooting the 2.5 units, you can try lowering the dose to 2.0 or 1.75 units. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
I gave him a fat 1u an hour late. This is really gonna screw me up in the AM. Given that he decides to fight and I can give him a shot tonite, do I move it back by 1/2 hour? So if I shot at almost 8:30 (usual shot time is 7:30) what time would I shoot tonite?
 
Sorry Donna, I was cleaning up vomits from civie Moo. You can shoot 1/2 hour early tonight and again in the morning which would put you back on schedule. Sending mega vines and prayers for Flame and :bighug::bighug::bighug: for you.
 
Hoping for some good vetty news. When Jack has a p-titis flareup, the minor ones are like you described, a little interest in food but not much. The bad ones are when he flat out doesn't want to eat. Getting some fluids, anti-emetics and appy stimulant will hopefully get his appetite going again. I'm glad you got some insulin in him, even when Jack's appetite was off, a little insulin helped a lot in keeping the numbers from getting too high.

Boatloads of vines on their way from Capt. Jack. for both you and Flame. It sounds like it has been too stressful of a week already.
 
Piles of vines for both you and Flame. :bighug::bighug::bighug: Still hoping for that better day today.

Sorry I didn't answer when you tagged me, but I was out rowing in the snow. :confused: On the dose this AM, you may have been OK with full dose. I unfortunately had lots of experience with an inappetance cat. If Neko wasn't feeling well, she wasn't feeling good, and that actually made her numbers higher. so I generally just shot her regular dose. With the data you get today, you will feel more comfortable shooting closer to the full dose next time Flame isn't feeling well. Higher numbers will also make him feel ickier, and it's not like he is on a dose that takes him anywhere close to the danger zone. One last thing, it's good to have the SS up to date when asking for dose help.
 
Back from vet. Before I update any further, I wanted to let you all know that I believe Flame is telling me he has had enough. I can see it in his eyes. He is having more bad days than good ones now. He seems to have lost his fight and his QOL is not good. So, I have asked my vet to come to the house on friday to help him on his way.

I know some of you don't believe in AC's or Reiki or any of that, but I do. I had a session this morning before I took him to the vet and while he wasn't ready to go today, he told me in no uncertain terms that he is done, he doesn't feel like he can keep doing this, he's tired and he knows he can feel better for a day or two, but he also knows it won't last and he'll feel sick again. He doesnt' want any more tests, he doesn't want to go to the vet any more, he just wants to stay home and be with us for a few more days. He told her that he needs for me to be at peace with allowing him to go and he doesn't feel that I am ready yet. When I asked about having Dr. Losso come here on Friday and allowing him to make his transition at home, he said yes.

My heart is broken in a million pieces. I don't know how I will get thru this, how I will live without him.... but I have to respect the fact that he is telling me that he can't do this any more.

Today, he was severely dehydrated. They gave him 100 ml fluids. His WBC was very high and so were his neutrophils - looks like some sort of infection and his temp was slightly elevated. They gave him a shot of Baytril and gave me some to bring home for the next few days. They nebulized him and put him in O2 for a while. They gave him another small dose of Dexamethazone, and also Cerenia and B-12. Orally, they gave his heart meds and cyproheptadine.

Blood work showed WBC = 40.33, Neutrophils = 34.19 (both very high)
ALT has gone from 137 to 244 (she said the last test was 288, but that was the previous BW)
BUN went up from 56 to 61
Creat went from 2.7 to 2.8
Phos went down from 7.0 to 4.2 (this is the one piece of good news - binders worked)

I'll put the labs in the SS later.

He is eating now. No regular food yet, but he seems to like the ham baby food. Also, she felt a lot of feces in his bowel, so I got some baby food pumpkin and mixed about 1 tsp with the ham baby food and he ate that. I'm going to try to introduce regular food a bit later.

The goal now is to keep him as comfortable as possible till Friday. I've asked my boss if I can work from home as much as possible this week. I took a sick day today, but haven't gotten to rest yet. It's 2 pm and I haven't eaten. Going to try to get a test in on him soon too and then try to lay down for a bit. My head hurts almost as bad as my heart.

Thank you all for EVERYTHING!! This is truly an amazing group of people who care deeply not only about their own furry loves, but everyone elses as well. I am honored to be a part of this FDMB family. I will be posting over the next few days and may still need some advice.
I honestly don't know what else to say right now. I'm pretty emotionally and physically drained. Flame is resting comfortably now.

Love you ALL!! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Donna and Flame said:
Back from vet. Before I update any further, I wanted to let you all know that I believe Flame is telling me he has had enough. I can see it in his eyes. He is having more bad days than good ones now. He seems to have lost his fight and his QOL is not good. So, I have asked my vet to come to the house on friday to help him on his way.

I know some of you don't believe in AC's or Reiki or any of that, but I do. I had a session this morning before I took him to the vet and while he wasn't ready to go today, he told me in no uncertain terms that he is done, he doesn't feel like he can keep doing this, he's tired and he knows he can feel better for a day or two, but he also knows it won't last and he'll feel sick again. He doesnt' want any more tests, he doesn't want to go to the vet any more, he just wants to stay home and be with us for a few more days. He told her that he needs for me to be at peace with allowing him to go and he doesn't feel that I am ready yet. When I asked about having Dr. Losso come here on Friday and allowing him to make his transition at home, he said yes.

My heart is broken in a million pieces. I don't know how I will get thru this, how I will live without him.... but I have to respect the fact that he is telling me that he can't do this any more.

Today, he was severely dehydrated. They gave him 100 ml fluids. His WBC was very high and so were his neutrophils - looks like some sort of infection and his temp was slightly elevated. They gave him a shot of Baytril and gave me some to bring home for the next few days. They nebulized him and put him in O2 for a while. They gave him another small dose of Dexamethazone, and also Cerenia and B-12. Orally, they gave his heart meds and cyproheptadine.

Blood work showed WBC = 40.33, Neutrophils = 34.19 (both very high)
ALT has gone from 137 to 244 (she said the last test was 288, but that was the previous BW)
BUN went up from 56 to 61
Creat went from 2.7 to 2.8
Phos went down from 7.0 to 4.2 (this is the one piece of good news - binders worked)

I'll put the labs in the SS later.

He is eating now. No regular food yet, but he seems to like the ham baby food. Also, she felt a lot of feces in his bowel, so I got some baby food pumpkin and mixed about 1 tsp with the ham baby food and he ate that. I'm going to try to introduce regular food a bit later.

The goal now is to keep him as comfortable as possible till Friday. I've asked my boss if I can work from home as much as possible this week. I took a sick day today, but haven't gotten to rest yet. It's 2 pm and I haven't eaten. Going to try to get a test in on him soon too and then try to lay down for a bit. My head hurts almost as bad as my heart.

Thank you all for EVERYTHING!! This is truly an amazing group of people who care deeply not only about their own furry loves, but everyone elses as well. I am honored to be a part of this FDMB family. I will be posting over the next few days and may still need some advice.
I honestly don't know what else to say right now. I'm pretty emotionally and physically drained. Flame is resting comfortably now.

Love you ALL!! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Crying for you Donna. When I was sending him Reiki last night, I got that he was only staying for you. So sad No words can help your pain right now. Sending Hugs.:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Crying for you Donna. When I was sending him Reiki last night, I got that he was only staying for you. So sad No words can help your pain right now. Sending Hugs.:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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He kind of said that in the session this morning too Bobbie. They are so sensitive, they know what is in our hearts and he sensed that I had not come to terms with this yet. He said he needed me to be at peace with letting him go. I am trying. I can't keep him here for me. It's selfish. I would do and have done everything in my power to help him, to return him to health, to make him happy, but like I said before, it's not just up to me... he has to want it too. I think he just wants peace now... no more vets, no more needles and poking and shoving masks on his face and medicines and everything else... he just wants peace.
I will honor him, I will love him, I will cherish our moments and I will give him this last gift of love. I promised him I would NEVER let him suffer, and I will keep that promise.

Thank you for all that you have done Bobbie... the Reiki, the encouragement, the advice, the support, the love and the friendship... I can never thank you enough. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Donna and Flame said:
He kind of said that in the session this morning too Bobbie. They are so sensitive, they know what is in our hearts and he sensed that I had not come to terms with this yet. He said he needed me to be at peace with letting him go. I am trying. I can't keep him here for me. It's selfish. I would do and have done everything in my power to help him, to return him to health, to make him happy, but like I said before, it's not just up to me... he has to want it too. I think he just wants peace now... no more vets, no more needles and poking and shoving masks on his face and medicines and everything else... he just wants peace.
I will honor him, I will love him, I will cherish our moments and I will give him this last gift of love. I promised him I would NEVER let him suffer, and I will keep that promise.

Thank you for all that you have done Bobbie... the Reiki, the encouragement, the advice, the support, the love and the friendship... I can never thank you enough. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
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:bighug: and tons of :bighug:
 
:bighug::bighug::bighug: oh my heart is breaking for you. I am so sorry you have to let him go. Understandably so. May you have the best days with him you ever had. Sending you love and light, and peace for Flame.
 
Donna I'm so sorry to hear the news. I have been following the last few days of Flame's struggles. I think it's so cool that you have a way to communicate with him even if it is the most dreadful message. I hope you can enjoy the time you have together. I can't imagine how hard it must be. You have been doing everything that you can for him. Take care of yourself through this difficult time.
 
Piling on more vines of strength and hugs. :bighug::bighug::bighug: I am so glad you got a message from Flame. This is the hardest decision to make but I know you are doing it from love. Give him a few scritches and a kiss on the top of the head from me.
 
Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for all of these words of love and encouragement. They give me strength.

I do have a question though. I gave him about a tsp (a regular kitchen tsp not a measuring spoon) of pumpkin earlier with his ham baby food. He ate pretty much all of that. He still hasn't pooped and I can feel that his belly is hard and he must be uncomfortable.

I just gave him some SEB in watered down baby food, hoping that will help him and maybe help keep his stomach settled too.
If he doesn't go by later tonite/tomorrow AM, how much pumpkin can he have and how often?
Since baby food is pretty much pure meat, it can be a little constipating but it's all he'll eat right now.
I've never had to use the pumpkin before.

Thank you!! :bighug::bighug:
 
Doodles & Karen said:
Sorry Donna, I was cleaning up vomits from civie Moo. You can shoot 1/2 hour early tonight and again in the morning which would put you back on schedule. Sending mega vines and prayers for Flame and :bighug::bighug::bighug: for you.
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Hey Karen,
Forgive me for not thinking straight right now. So if I shot at 8:30 am today, I should shoot at 8:00 PM tonite and then back to his regular shot time of 7:30 tomorrow am... correct?

He's REALLY high now - over 500 - never been there before. Skipped shot, BCS this morning and the poor guy is shooting to the moon - add steroids to the mix and there you go. Will shoot full 2.5 U tonite and that may not even be enough to bring him down. I should have listened to you this morning, but I was so scared and so panicked about him not eating and not knowing what to do and so sad that I chickened out.
Thanks for everything Karen!! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
((Donna)),
Sending heaps of vines and hugs your way for you and Flame.

I also have an AC who has been with us through thick and thin.

No more words from me, just lots of
:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ .
Sina
 
I recall someone recently had been giving tbsp's instead of tsp's of pumpkin with no noticeable ill effects.
:bighug::bighug::bighug: I'm glad you were able to have a heart to heart with Flame. I'll be keeping you and Flame in my thoughts. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
((((Donna))))

My belief is that our kitties tell us when it is time. We just have to be wise enough and brave enough to listen. Treasure you time with Flame.
 
He still hasn't pooped and I haven't seen him pee. there are 2 pee balls in the LB but I think they're from earlier. He got fluids today and has been drinking a lot because of the steroids, but not really going to the LB. Only thing I can think of is that he was so dehydrated that his body is just soaking it up. Praying he's not blocked or so constipated he can't go. That is the very last thing he needs right now.

Kinda worried here.... he should at least be peeing I think.
 
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