12/23- BEAR +7 40

Yogi_Bear

Yogi_Bear

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Skipped insulin this morning +7 when i got home from work was 40… giving maple syrup and HC

Our first hypo 😣
 
I see you're getting some help over on the FB group, correct?
That's exactly what I would and have done when I couldn't raise someone over here--Kim and Chris are great!
 
Ive just been keeping track on my notes app.. too much chaos to convert sorry! Lol
 

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Oh my dear, not ridiculous at all! Numbers under 50 for the first time are most definitely scary. I’m glad he came quickly up for you. Was he acting ok?
 
Yes he seemed normal.. no indication other than the test when i got home. Im so surprised this happened with no insulin, and im pretty embarrassed i gave him so much syrup 🫣
 
I wonder if it would be safest and less stressful for you to skip again tonight and regroup tomorrow with 0.1u. I think at this point, what I was speculating about some left over remnant of HC dry food has now left his system. We can also wait until preshot to see if you want to shoot the reduce dose, but at this point he’s earned it.

Bear-Bear scared the living daylights out of me when I saw that 911.
 
Lower numbers are most definitely something that you need to prepare for, and really up until now you’ve not had anything to worry about even during some of his active cycles.
 
I didnt think id have anything to worry about with the skip this morning.. so imagine my shock and dismay when i come home to hypo kitty!

Why did that happen 😩😩
 
A couple of things could be going on, there is some 0.5u depot, although arguably less with a couple of skips. No one really knows how long it takes for dry food to leave the system. Could be that contributed. And sometimes even without insulin like I said before if the kitty’s pancreas is producing its own insulin, it could be a factor as well. That’s why I think I’d like to be careful about dosing, he will probably still need some insulin but I’d like to see how his numbers go.
 
Well, most people who use syrup find a couple of drops to be sufficient, simple sugars will get into the blood stream quickly but they can also wear off quickly. If you need to handle low numbers under 50 again, you can try a couple drops of syrup, test again in 20 minutes, then depending on that number, either feed a teaspoon or two of MC or HC food, then test again in 20-30 minutes. How much carbs to intervene with depends too on how carb sensitive the cat is. There some good general guidelines here as well. Sticky - Don't Panic! or How to Handle Low Numbers

Once you get above 50, you still want to continue testing, just to be sure that he’s staying up, in case the HC wears off, which you did.
 
reading it again it definitely says a tsp of gravy and a few drops of syrup.. which is what kim said 😆 but by then the adrenaline had kicked in and he was sent to the sugar factory.. oof 😮‍💨 im so embarrassed 🫣🫣🫣
 
I know, even when you have read them a hundred times, it can still be a shock when they give you a number you weren’t prepared for. The good thing about HC wet food is that it won’t last in the system nearly as long as dry ;)
 
Was this close reaching for the kibble 🤏 haha but then i did read hc wet was better than dry.. i was so panicked i would have made a cocktail of kibble,hc wet snd syrup on top 😆 glad i can laugh about it now tho… BEAR-NANNIGANS!!!!!
 
Vanessa, I'm just glad you caught that +7! It's so wild that he dropped so late in the cycle, especially given that he didn't have a shot this morning. Honestly, I don't know that I would have even tested. I think somebody's pancreas has woken up.
 
Mary & Jude said:
Vanessa, I'm just glad you caught that +7! It's so wild that he dropped so late in the cycle, especially given that he didn't have a shot this morning. Honestly, I don't know that I would have even tested. I think somebody's pancreas has woken up.
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And I say "so late," because for us, Jude's nadir is usually +3/+4. ECID.
 
Mary & Jude said:
Vanessa, I'm just glad you caught that +7! It's so wild that he dropped so late in the cycle, especially given that he didn't have a shot this morning. Honestly, I don't know that I would have even tested. I think somebody's pancreas has woken up.
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Me too!! We didnt shoot because i had to work today and couldn’t be home to monitor. I grabbed a test when i got home to see how he was doing without the shot, and I am so glad I did also!
Normally his am nadir is around +4 usually and lately hes been late in his pm cycle, lately too low to shoot at +11. Today definitely caught me off guard
 
😮‍💨 ive just been sitting on the bathroom floor for like 2 hours lol im still in shock ⚡️ haha
I should say that is our test spot and he knows where to go, also needed to segregate him from his savage siblings who would have gladly gobbled his hc rescue meal lol. They were not happy about being fed 2 hours late, but bear bear had to come first!

When should i test again.. we are about 2 hours post sugaring lol do i record these #s in his ss? Probably yes
 
How about just test usual preshot time, he’s not going to do anything drastic now late in the cycle and he’s been well above 50 without HC intervention for a few hours.
 
Once they zoom up like that, it won’t be a huge drop back down. It’s only if you see them bobbling around like going up to 60 or 70 then dropping down to 50 that you need to continue to pay closer attention for several tests, and you continued to follow up for several hours to where the numbers continued to rise.
 
Of course, I understand, you can take a break and regroup for tomorrow. I think you still have a few hours to preshot so maybe see how you feel. I can keep checking in.
 
Well even if you skip but still test at preshot, feed his usual meal etc, and test before you go to bed that’s good info on what he might need going forward. It’s not uncommon to have a big shock; earlier in the year I had a crazy low number (1.6/29) after I had already taken a reduction, and I couldn’t get him up immediately with HC. I’d been doing this for 8 years, and I was most definitely shaken. Just take care of you, he’ll be just fine and we shall just see what he needs tomorrow :bighug:
 
Christie & Maverick said:
Well even if you skip but still test at preshot, feed his usual meal etc, and test before you go to bed that’s good info on what he might need going forward. It’s not uncommon to have a big shock; earlier in the year I had a crazy low number (1.6/29) after I had already taken a reduction, and I couldn’t get him up immediately with HC. I’d been doing this for 8 years, and I was most definitely shaken. Just take care of you, he’ll be just fine and we shall just see what he needs tomorrow :bighug:
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It most certainly is! I knew this was bound to happen, was just not expecting it on a skip day 😅
 
Nice catch!

Just a couple things to point out. I do know he’s doing SLGS but, for TR, especially for cats who have been diabetic for a year or more, we allow them to drop into the 40s before they earn a reduction. As long as they are being monitored and fed to bring that BG up, it’s not a dangerous number on a human meter but definitely requires attention and rechecking.

For that reason, unless the kitty is experiencing symptoms, 40 does not constitute a hypo so we don’t use that term. He was just in low numbers and it is a shock the first time you suddenly see that.

I overcarbed like crazy the first BG below 50. It can get the heart pumping. And it’s fine to do that as it at least lets you know what that much HC does to him. There have been some cats here who got a bump off a freeze dried chicken treat and others that required HC gravy with honey so I’d rather see someone overdo it the first time than not take it seriously.

With TR, we might let the depot play out a bit and not take another reduction but I agree with Christie about dropping to 0.1u. You can always go back up.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Nice catch!

Just a couple things to point out. I do know he’s doing SLGS but, for TR, especially for cats who have been diabetic for a year or more, we allow them to drop into the 40s before they earn a reduction. As long as they are being monitored and fed to bring that BG up, it’s not a dangerous number on a human meter but definitely requires attention and rechecking.

For that reason, unless the kitty is experiencing symptoms, 40 does not constitute a hypo so we don’t use that term. He was just in low numbers and it is a shock the first time you suddenly see that.

I overcarbed like crazy the first BG below 50. It can get the heart pumping. And it’s fine to do that as it at least lets you know what that much HC does to him. There have been some cats here who got a bump off a freeze dried chicken treat and others that required HC gravy with honey so I’d rather see someone overdo it the first time than not take it seriously.

With TR, we might let the depot play out a bit and not take another reduction but I agree with Christie about dropping to 0.1u. You can always go back up.
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That was my mistake 🤭 newbies here! I thought under 50 was considered a hypo! Either way, a shock to my system lol now i just feel silly all the way around! 🤪

He used to get a food bump for his regular LC, but it seems less these days 🤷‍♀️ i guess i was worried food wasnt enough to bring him up alone
 
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