miso00
Member Since 2011
it went up so I'm giving him his shot 1.5u.
yesterday's condo http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=57204
yesterday's condo http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=57204
11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 PMPS 191 +1/245 +4/280+8/242 +11/240
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Laurie and Mr Tinkles
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Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182
Nice! I'd get a +2 to see which way he wants to head. I will be out for most of the day, hopefully others will be around.
In case no one is here....if the +2 is lower, I would test again sooner rather than later (+4, +3 if the drop is 60 or more). If he's around the same, I would get a mid cycle test (+6 ish), and go from there. Mikey is looking very good, and you are doing a great job!
When you have time, I would suggest re-reading the stickies. I would also suggest printing out at least the parts about dealing with low preshots and handling low numbers (the last two sections in the low numbers sticky). There may be times when no one is around to guide you, and that information will be immensely helpful. It also pays to familiarize yourself with how to handle a 45 before you see it on the meter. ;-)
Shooting & Handling Low Numbers
Nice! I'd get a +2 to see which way he wants to head. I will be out for most of the day, hopefully others will be around.
In case no one is here....if the +2 is lower, I would test again sooner rather than later (+4, +3 if the drop is 60 or more). If he's around the same, I would get a mid cycle test (+6 ish), and go from there. Mikey is looking very good, and you are doing a great job!
When you have time, I would suggest re-reading the stickies. I would also suggest printing out at least the parts about dealing with low preshots and handling low numbers (the last two sections in the low numbers sticky). There may be times when no one is around to guide you, and that information will be immensely helpful. It also pays to familiarize yourself with how to handle a 45 before you see it on the meter. ;-)
Shooting & Handling Low Numbers
miso00
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182
Thanks for the tip. I keep meaning to read them but between getting used to MIkey's schedule, the holiday and oh yeah work, notice my priorites, lol.
I have printed out some things, like the abbreviation list, How to treat Hypos and I have made my own "sticky" by copying and pasting some of what I think is important in some of what others post in my threads/condos.
I will post anyway because I never know who's checking in
Thanks for the tip. I keep meaning to read them but between getting used to MIkey's schedule, the holiday and oh yeah work, notice my priorites, lol.
I have printed out some things, like the abbreviation list, How to treat Hypos and I have made my own "sticky" by copying and pasting some of what I think is important in some of what others post in my threads/condos.
I will post anyway because I never know who's checking in
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182
I'm around now.....I'll check in on you. Let's see...you should be on your 11 shooting time so I expect you've just gotten a +2?
I'm around now.....I'll check in on you. Let's see...you should be on your 11 shooting time so I expect you've just gotten a +2?
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +2.5 283
Wow...what a food spike!!
Wow...what a food spike!!
miso00
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +2.5 283
That's what I thought. Yesterday too.why is that?
You know the day 11/22/11 when he was mostly in the blues? That's the day I thought the keto stix showed trace ketones, he had softer stool and didn't have much of an appetite. I am feeding him friskies pate. Can it be the "wrong" food creating the spike or just food in general?
That's what I thought. Yesterday too.why is that?
You know the day 11/22/11 when he was mostly in the blues? That's the day I thought the keto stix showed trace ketones, he had softer stool and didn't have much of an appetite. I am feeding him friskies pate. Can it be the "wrong" food creating the spike or just food in general?
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Carl & Polly & Bob (GA)
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +5/277
Just food in general, most likely. The Friskees pates, depending on which flavor, can run anywhere from 6% to 8% carbs. Some of the "special diet" pates are as low as 4-5%.
If you need specific data on the carb content, here are 2 links to add to your "sticky"...
http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html
http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodOld.html
Carl
Just food in general, most likely. The Friskees pates, depending on which flavor, can run anywhere from 6% to 8% carbs. Some of the "special diet" pates are as low as 4-5%.
If you need specific data on the carb content, here are 2 links to add to your "sticky"...
http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html
http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodOld.html
Carl
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +5/277
Yes it can be the food. Most of us try to routinely feed foods which are less than 5% calories from carbs. I use the 8-10% to steer Gracie when her numbers are really low (like in the 50s).
When you edit your subject line, please be sure and leave the previous numbers during that cycle in there unless you are running out of space. I see you took his +2.5 out.... ;-)
Yes it can be the food. Most of us try to routinely feed foods which are less than 5% calories from carbs. I use the 8-10% to steer Gracie when her numbers are really low (like in the 50s).
When you edit your subject line, please be sure and leave the previous numbers during that cycle in there unless you are running out of space. I see you took his +2.5 out.... ;-)
mybuddybinks
Member Since 2010
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +2/283 +5/277
wrong way, Mikey!!
wrong way, Mikey!!
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Carl & Polly & Bob (GA)
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +2/283 +5/277
Question for experienced users..... is Lantus subject to wonky numbers if a fur shot happens? Not suggesting this morning was one, but no idea if with lantus you would see this sort of thing on a fur shot? Sort of looks like the cycle on the 21st, although that one could be explained by the no shot the night before causing inconsistency?
Lantus sure is different to "look at" than PZI/prozinc. :smile:
Carl
Question for experienced users..... is Lantus subject to wonky numbers if a fur shot happens? Not suggesting this morning was one, but no idea if with lantus you would see this sort of thing on a fur shot? Sort of looks like the cycle on the 21st, although that one could be explained by the no shot the night before causing inconsistency?
Lantus sure is different to "look at" than PZI/prozinc. :smile:
Carl
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191
Jennifer: A fur shot is when you don't get the insulin in for some reason...you think you have the syringe in the skin but it's actually in the fur or the syringe goes through the skin and out the other side so the insulin, in both cases, goes on the fur and not in the cat. If you ever have that happen or THINK it happens...do not attempt to re-shoot. In alot of circumstances, some insulin gets in and you aren't sure how much so shooting again could cause big problems in terms of numbers. You just have to wait it out and shoot at the next cycle.
Carl: If she had done a fur shot, his numbers would not have come down. There's no 'splaining really why his curve looked like this....maybe a mini-bounce, maybe food.....cats don't always follow "the rules". In fact, most of the time they don't. So you don't get caught up in "why" but just take each number and each cycle and move forward. If only I had a penny for the times I wished you could wrap FD up in a tidy little pkg of predictability? I'd be a very wealthy lady...that's how many times.
Very nice PMPS. I would definitely get that +1 and +2.. he's been coming down.
Jennifer: A fur shot is when you don't get the insulin in for some reason...you think you have the syringe in the skin but it's actually in the fur or the syringe goes through the skin and out the other side so the insulin, in both cases, goes on the fur and not in the cat. If you ever have that happen or THINK it happens...do not attempt to re-shoot. In alot of circumstances, some insulin gets in and you aren't sure how much so shooting again could cause big problems in terms of numbers. You just have to wait it out and shoot at the next cycle.
Carl: If she had done a fur shot, his numbers would not have come down. There's no 'splaining really why his curve looked like this....maybe a mini-bounce, maybe food.....cats don't always follow "the rules". In fact, most of the time they don't. So you don't get caught up in "why" but just take each number and each cycle and move forward. If only I had a penny for the times I wished you could wrap FD up in a tidy little pkg of predictability? I'd be a very wealthy lady...that's how many times.
Very nice PMPS. I would definitely get that +1 and +2.. he's been coming down.
miso00
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191
I was just reading in one of the stickies about fur shots/shot placement. I have been shooting in the scruff? Is that ok? Now I'm nervous I'm not getting it into the skin. How do you know? I know when I used to shoot my dog his skin was a lot thicker than MIkey's. Mikey's goes in so smoothly but he does always feel it.
I will get a +1 and +2. How low is too low? Still around the 50 mark? From his SS 123 looks like the lowest he's been.
Marjorie- will you be around checking in?
I was just reading in one of the stickies about fur shots/shot placement. I have been shooting in the scruff? Is that ok? Now I'm nervous I'm not getting it into the skin. How do you know? I know when I used to shoot my dog his skin was a lot thicker than MIkey's. Mikey's goes in so smoothly but he does always feel it.
I will get a +1 and +2. How low is too low? Still around the 50 mark? From his SS 123 looks like the lowest he's been.
Marjorie- will you be around checking in?
julie & punkin (ga)
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191
we call it a fur shot when the shot gets screwed up, for some reason. sometimes the cat moves while you're shooting and the needle slips out mid-shot. so you lose some insulin. sometimes you accidentally poke a needle through the skin and you shoot the insulin all the way through to the outside. we call it a fur shot no matter why we screw up the shot.
btw, just in case it ever happens (because most of us have done this) and you mess up on a shot, you never reshoot. when i first started i messed up a shot and i called the vet's office. they told me to reshoot - i was shooting 3 units, i think. i messed up again - so i shot again. i shot punkin a total of 3 times that morning. now i know that it is better to be short one shot than to EVER reshoot and shoot too much. i was lucky that punkin was ok, but now i would never reshoot a messed up shot. you just leave it.
about the curve - you can get wonky curves for any number of reasons. it could be that mikey ate more food than usual, which makes a difference. it could be the food had a higher carb value, or when you increase the dose you can get New Dose Wonkiness, which settles down in a few shots. you can also have a tiny bounce from hitting a lower than usual number. doesn't have to really be low to have that happen, just lower than the cat's body is used to. what we're really looking for on lantus is overall pictures - like i look at punkin's ss and scan the previous few days preshot values to see if the trend is overall down or up. so we try not to over-notice one or two tests, because it's the big picture that matters. hard to ignore a HI of course, but in the big picture they aren't everything.
we call it a fur shot when the shot gets screwed up, for some reason. sometimes the cat moves while you're shooting and the needle slips out mid-shot. so you lose some insulin. sometimes you accidentally poke a needle through the skin and you shoot the insulin all the way through to the outside. we call it a fur shot no matter why we screw up the shot.
btw, just in case it ever happens (because most of us have done this) and you mess up on a shot, you never reshoot. when i first started i messed up a shot and i called the vet's office. they told me to reshoot - i was shooting 3 units, i think. i messed up again - so i shot again. i shot punkin a total of 3 times that morning. now i know that it is better to be short one shot than to EVER reshoot and shoot too much. i was lucky that punkin was ok, but now i would never reshoot a messed up shot. you just leave it.
about the curve - you can get wonky curves for any number of reasons. it could be that mikey ate more food than usual, which makes a difference. it could be the food had a higher carb value, or when you increase the dose you can get New Dose Wonkiness, which settles down in a few shots. you can also have a tiny bounce from hitting a lower than usual number. doesn't have to really be low to have that happen, just lower than the cat's body is used to. what we're really looking for on lantus is overall pictures - like i look at punkin's ss and scan the previous few days preshot values to see if the trend is overall down or up. so we try not to over-notice one or two tests, because it's the big picture that matters. hard to ignore a HI of course, but in the big picture they aren't everything.
julie & punkin (ga)
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191
hahaha i take forever to write posts - we've got company here and i stopped to talk and behold! marjorie's already answered you!
hahaha i take forever to write posts - we've got company here and i stopped to talk and behold! marjorie's already answered you!
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Carl & Polly & Bob (GA)
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191
marje and julie - thanks for the feedback. the added bonus is that now Jenn knows what a fur shot is!
Jenn, it's probably way too early for Mikey's numbers to look like an ideal curve! You'll get there though!
lol, I think the cats write the rules! I like to say "this is a dance. But only the kitties can hear the music. Therefore, they lead, and we just follow and try not to step on any toes".
Thank you all, for all you do!
Carl
marje and julie - thanks for the feedback. the added bonus is that now Jenn knows what a fur shot is!
Jenn, it's probably way too early for Mikey's numbers to look like an ideal curve! You'll get there though!
marje,
lol, I think the cats write the rules! I like to say "this is a dance. But only the kitties can hear the music. Therefore, they lead, and we just follow and try not to step on any toes".
Thank you all, for all you do!
Carl
miso00
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191
I actually like when more than one person answers and the answer is the same. It's nice that you are all saying the same things. It's very reassuring and then helps me learn instead of get confused with who to listen to.
The day he had mostly blue's I don't think he was feeling well. He wasn't eating that much and had a little diarrhea. Now he is very hungry when I feed him. I'm trying to just feed 1/2 can 4 times a day but every once in a while I will pass his room and he is sitting there waiting to be fed. In the almost 2 weeks he's been here that is the one thing I have learned to read from him, when he's hungry!
I started to read the stickies but maybe you know better...is there anywhere that says how much to feed him? I think Marjorie told me but I don't remember exactly and there are so many posts to go through.
I actually like when more than one person answers and the answer is the same. It's nice that you are all saying the same things. It's very reassuring and then helps me learn instead of get confused with who to listen to.
The day he had mostly blue's I don't think he was feeling well. He wasn't eating that much and had a little diarrhea. Now he is very hungry when I feed him. I'm trying to just feed 1/2 can 4 times a day but every once in a while I will pass his room and he is sitting there waiting to be fed. In the almost 2 weeks he's been here that is the one thing I have learned to read from him, when he's hungry!
I started to read the stickies but maybe you know better...is there anywhere that says how much to feed him? I think Marjorie told me but I don't remember exactly and there are so many posts to go through.
julie & punkin (ga)
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191
how much does he weigh? i can tell you punkin eats 3+ cans of fancy feast every day and he's 13.5ish lbs. that's a total of 9 oz, plus he gets another couple of ounces of plain boiled chicken. there is a formula for weight x calories = so many ounces per day. the bottom line is you want them to maintain weight unless they are overweight. if mikey's overweight (i'm thinking he's not) but weight loss in a cat if he is needs to be very slow.
so it must really mess you up when marj and i say different things! ;-) the things that we say differently, like housekeeping items on the forum, mostly just reflect our favorite ways and aren't to do with cat health. in the diabetes stuff hopefully, we're all giving you the same answers.
how much does he weigh? i can tell you punkin eats 3+ cans of fancy feast every day and he's 13.5ish lbs. that's a total of 9 oz, plus he gets another couple of ounces of plain boiled chicken. there is a formula for weight x calories = so many ounces per day. the bottom line is you want them to maintain weight unless they are overweight. if mikey's overweight (i'm thinking he's not) but weight loss in a cat if he is needs to be very slow.
so it must really mess you up when marj and i say different things! ;-) the things that we say differently, like housekeeping items on the forum, mostly just reflect our favorite ways and aren't to do with cat health. in the diabetes stuff hopefully, we're all giving you the same answers.
julie & punkin (ga)
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191 +1 245
i'll let marj answer on the next test question. i tend to not worry about numbers overnight, but that's based upon what i know about punkin. i'm not sure in your case. i shoot punkin at 7/7 and don't go to bed til about 11:30, so i'm always up late enough to get a +3 and a +5 if i need it.
basically you want to sustain his weight. losing weight is dangerous for cats - they can get a fatty liver if they lose too quickly.
i'll let marj answer on the next test question. i tend to not worry about numbers overnight, but that's based upon what i know about punkin. i'm not sure in your case. i shoot punkin at 7/7 and don't go to bed til about 11:30, so i'm always up late enough to get a +3 and a +5 if i need it.
basically you want to sustain his weight. losing weight is dangerous for cats - they can get a fatty liver if they lose too quickly.
miso00
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191 +1 245
I was looking in binkey's page under Frudal Feline Diabetes and it says "
How do you know when the insulin level peaked? I'm still not sure of the nadir either. I don't know if I haven't been doing it long enough or you can tell now? Do those change on a daily basis?
I was looking in binkey's page under Frudal Feline Diabetes and it says "
How do you know when the insulin level peaked? I'm still not sure of the nadir either. I don't know if I haven't been doing it long enough or you can tell now? Do those change on a daily basis?
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191 +1 245
Sorry Jennifer...I was talking to my mom and checking Gracie. My Lil Stinka girl fell from 193 to 20 in two hours last night. That is not usual for her.....I think she just really got an overfull shed and I had reduced her dose but not enough. So tonight...I'm hovering :lol: :lol: :lol: She is ok, BTW.
Love Carl's saying...very appropo.
Anyway...you should start with figuring about 20cal/pound. Feed him that much and after a week, weigh him. If he's gained weight, then you could cut him back every so slowly....like 19.5cal/lb. If he loses weight on the 20cal/lb, then you need to give him more.
I'm glad we are saying the same things regarding FD....like Julie said, housekeeping in many instances is personal style but I think you'll find that most people either just leave their AMPS up and then start PMPS or they take the entire morning cycle out and just put PMPS cycle numbers in the evening. Your call.
So I think you can probably get a +3 or before bedtime test tonight. Mikey doesn't have a clear nadir yet but it looks like he's toying with the idea of having a late one. Nadirs can change from one cycle to the next so I never got too married to one with Gracie; some cats are very consistent (lucky beans!!). I think, in general, he should have the majority of his food in him by +6. If he gets hungry after that, just give him boiled chicken breast (don't go overboard but you don't want him starving for six hours).
It's good to do what you've been doing about getting a test in at about +7 or whenever you get up as long as you get up around that timeframe.
I'll be up until 2 your time and will check back in.
Sorry Jennifer...I was talking to my mom and checking Gracie. My Lil Stinka girl fell from 193 to 20 in two hours last night. That is not usual for her.....I think she just really got an overfull shed and I had reduced her dose but not enough. So tonight...I'm hovering :lol: :lol: :lol: She is ok, BTW.
Love Carl's saying...very appropo.
Anyway...you should start with figuring about 20cal/pound. Feed him that much and after a week, weigh him. If he's gained weight, then you could cut him back every so slowly....like 19.5cal/lb. If he loses weight on the 20cal/lb, then you need to give him more.
I'm glad we are saying the same things regarding FD....like Julie said, housekeeping in many instances is personal style but I think you'll find that most people either just leave their AMPS up and then start PMPS or they take the entire morning cycle out and just put PMPS cycle numbers in the evening. Your call.
So I think you can probably get a +3 or before bedtime test tonight. Mikey doesn't have a clear nadir yet but it looks like he's toying with the idea of having a late one. Nadirs can change from one cycle to the next so I never got too married to one with Gracie; some cats are very consistent (lucky beans!!). I think, in general, he should have the majority of his food in him by +6. If he gets hungry after that, just give him boiled chicken breast (don't go overboard but you don't want him starving for six hours).
It's good to do what you've been doing about getting a test in at about +7 or whenever you get up as long as you get up around that timeframe.
I'll be up until 2 your time and will check back in.
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191 +1 245
Just checking in to see if you had a +3 or were already zzzzzzz.
Just checking in to see if you had a +3 or were already zzzzzzz.
miso00
Member Since 2011
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 +11/197 PMPS 191 +1 245
BG 280 at +3 (2:47 am)
Marje, I think you'll be checking in. Am I safe for the night or ...?
***i'm thinking tomorrow I may stop at the store and start him on Innova. That seems to be much lower in carbs. Too bad I just bough 4 cases of Friskies at Petsmart today. My Black Friday deal, $0.30/can :lol: BUT... i just looked again and the friskies that i feed him is around 6 carbs but 187 calories, the Innova is 2 carbs but 209-237 calories and sophisticat 1 carb. 197 calories. Which is better higher carb lower calorie or lowest carb higher calorie?
BG 280 at +3 (2:47 am)
Marje, I think you'll be checking in. Am I safe for the night or ...?
***i'm thinking tomorrow I may stop at the store and start him on Innova. That seems to be much lower in carbs. Too bad I just bough 4 cases of Friskies at Petsmart today. My Black Friday deal, $0.30/can :lol: BUT... i just looked again and the friskies that i feed him is around 6 carbs but 187 calories, the Innova is 2 carbs but 209-237 calories and sophisticat 1 carb. 197 calories. Which is better higher carb lower calorie or lowest carb higher calorie?
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 PMPS 191 +1/245 +4/280+8/242 +11/2
I thought 12amat my time would be your +3 cuz that would be 2amyour your time and you shot at 11....I thought you forgot and I finally went to bed. Looks like all was ok...great job.
I thought 12amat my time would be your +3 cuz that would be 2amyour your time and you shot at 11....I thought you forgot and I finally went to bed. Looks like all was ok...great job.
Re: 11/25 Mikey AMPS 182 PMPS 191 +1/245 +4/280+8/242 +11/2
I hear you on that one. ;-)
I hear you on that one. ;-)
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