11/10 Nico amps- 297, +3- 301 | Feline Diabetes Message Board - FDMB

11/10 Nico amps- 297, +3- 301

Tyleete said:
A little scary. Just under 300, but going up to 3u as said here yesterday. I was very nervous after several days of high bounce. But I trust the people here know a LOT more than I.
So here we go!
I'm try the +1.5 tonight.
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It is scary as the numbers get a bit lower than you are used to! We all understand.
You're doing great!
Have a safe surf Nico, wishing you gentle cycles ahead :bighug: 🌊🏄‍♂️
 
Why not switch to the Relion completely? Nico's numbers will already look better and it's what most use anyway.
Regardless, looking better already, you're doing great!
 
diabetic_blue said:
Why not switch to the Relion completely? Nico's numbers will already look better and it's what most use anyway.
Regardless, looking better already, you're doing great!
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I know this is going to sound goofy, but I haven't switched over just to Relion for 2 reasons. 1- it requires 0.5 for the blood drop and if not often gives me error readings. And 2- His glucose numbers look better than they actually are.:/ And I don't like that. The fact that they're so different still (341vs253 just now), proves that point to me. I realize that this all started by using human meters for pets, but that's because it's all that was available. Science shows that glucose is measured differently on humans vs cats. I've seen it before, but just looking it up now, it says this. So aren't I getting an actual accurate idea of his true readings using my pet meter? When I go back to the doctor eventually, and she takes a test and it shows it's not 100 like my human meter at home is showing me, but a good 170-200? That's going to be a problem, no?
If I'm wrong in thinking this, I am definitely open. But I really don't think pet meters are gimmicks. We're different species and from the sounds of it, our blood chemistry is different and needs to be tested differently. Now at some point I'm definitely going to have to figure what's good and what's too low for both. I'm also thinking once the numbers climb down hopefully there will be less difference in the 2 numbers so I can just switch to the Relion. At least that's what I'm hoping. I'm just so new to this and try reading as much here and online as I can about this.
"Calibration: Human glucose meters are calibrated for human blood, while pet meters are calibrated for the different blood composition of dogs and cats.
  • The ratio of glucose in red blood cells versus plasma is different between species.
  • A human meter can't account for this difference, which can lead to inaccurate readings.
 
Do you consider 0.5 much or little? My meter needs 1μl, I wanted to get one with 0.6 but the strips were harder to get by.

I know about the difference in meters, but consider that most people here use human meters so your sheet will always seem off. Furthermore, the guidelines are for human meters and there's no real conversion, so dosing becomes harder.

Testing at the vet will always be off, because of stress. That's why fructosamine tests are mostly used.
 
My doc didn't do the fructose one. Should I ask for that one instead of their poke when I bring him in next? I wasn't intending to to I got him (haha) situated.
And I find .5 a lot. My order one only needs .3 for the blood and it's much easier.
Nico had begun struggling with the ear pokes, and I'm already using the 30g lancer. Meant for 28, but that's what I got.
Ok! I guess I can try. But it's going to throw my spreadsheet totally off. I guess I should ask Wendy if she'd prefer it and how she'd like me to go forward. So as to make the most sense.
Someone at the PZ board told me about a human meter that only required the same amount of blood as my pet meter. But the strips cost even more than the ones for my pet!🤣 I don't think so. If I buy a hundred at a time, they throw in a box of 50 and I also get 30% off so they were about $0.44ea strip.😁
But I'll ask. It's why I started trying to get both regularly. To be able to look and compare. I was also hoping to learn the difference between the 2. So if I just took the Relion, I'd automatically know what the pet meter would read
 
@Wendy&Neko can you tell me what you think of above? I can try just taking the Relion and putting that up on the ss. But to make it easier for you to read, how best would you like me to do it? Create a new ss just for the Relion starting today? Or just keep this one and continue but using the Relion numbers? I don't want to confuse you with suddenly drastic number changes, as Maddie suggested I just switch.
 
Jumping in to say we do have members that use pet calibrate meters (@Laurie&Petey and others) and an adjustment is made to the lowest number in the SS (BG < 68 instead of 50). Maybe Laurie can weigh in on the pros and cons. I imagine it’d be easier to get (more aligned) advice with the human meter, but the low adjustment helps avoid major hypos). I made the switch from pet to human and I’ve also used a Libre here or there… all 3 give different numbers. What I’ve found now that we’re almost a year into the human meter is that it gets very hard to make a full switch after you’ve grown familiar with a certain set of numbers… it also gets difficult to switch from human to pet because it feels like a massive step backwards when the numbers increase (even though technically the same). Regardless, it’s important to use what you’re comfortable with and can manage.
 
Briana + Binx said:
Jumping in to say we do have members that use pet calibrate meters (@Laurie&Petey and others) and an adjustment is made to the lowest number in the SS (BG < 68 instead of 50). Maybe Laurie can weigh in on the pros and cons. I imagine it’d be easier to get (more aligned) advice with the human meter, but the low adjustment helps avoid major hypos). I made the switch from pet to human and I’ve also used a Libre here or there… all 3 give different numbers. What I’ve found now that we’re almost a year into the human meter is that it gets very hard to make a full switch after you’ve grown familiar with a certain set of numbers… it also gets difficult to switch from human to pet because it feels like a massive step backwards when the numbers increase (even though technically the same). Regardless, it’s important to use what you’re comfortable with and can manage.
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Thanks! It's why I haven't bothered switching. But it would be good to know what the equivalent would be in numbers when he's doing better. Like say the 300's. If my pet meter says that it's much better than the human. It's confusing indeed. 😅
 
Tyleete said:
1- it requires 0.5 for the blood drop and if not often gives me error readings. And 2- His glucose numbers look better than they actually are.:/ And I don't like that
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Thanks for the tag @Briana + Binx

The two reasons you listed are why I still use the AT3 too. It's also an easier conversation with my vet who is also using and comparing with a pet meter. And I guess I'm just not very frugal if I'm willing to pay for those strips! 🤑

That being said, we are the rare few. And I never drive myself crazy trying to use both. Once in awhile when he is pretty low, I do test on my Relion out of curiosity and that number is verrry low in those cases.

I think it really comes down to how much money would you like to save! 😁
 
Laurie&Petey said:
Thanks for the tag @Briana + Binx

The two reasons you listed are why I still use the AT3 too. It's also an easier conversation with my vet who is also using and comparing with a pet meter. And I guess I'm just not very frugal if I'm willing to pay for those strips! 🤑

That being said, we are the rare few. And I never drive myself crazy trying to use both. Once in awhile when he is pretty low, I do test on my Relion out of curiosity and that number is verrry low in those cases.

I think it really comes down to how much money would you like to save! 😁
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I was figuring accuracy was more important to me at this stage really. Not being a pro, I was very concerned and I'd already had the meter for another. She went into quick remission so I only use it for spot checking now.
But how do you know what the good, not so good, bad, and REALLY bad numbers are?
I think I read before 70 is hypo, and under 120 is good? But not positive. Aside from that I have no clue.🙁
My vet originally insisted it HAD to be a pet meter the first time I bought it. So I never looked at human ones.
 
Tyleete said:
I was figuring accuracy was more important to me at this stage really. Not being a pro, I was very concerned and I'd already had the meter for another. She went into quick remission so I only use it for spot checking now.
But how do you know what the good, not so good, bad, and REALLY bad numbers are?
I think I read before 70 is hypo, and under 120 is good? But not positive. Aside from that I have no clue.🙁
My vet originally insisted it HAD to be a pet meter the first time I bought it. So I never looked at human ones.
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The pet meter spreadsheet will turn lime (too low) for 67 or less, and my understanding is 70 to 130 is ideal and of course we want them in the greens as much as possible which will be 99 - 68.

We all started out in those scary numbers, you're already seeing progress so that is good!

There is a sticky for pet meters too that is a great reference when you're not overwhelmed with info.
 
I personally went back and forth between pet meter and human meter a few times over the years, and I would just suggest for your own sanity to pick a meter and stick with it. Typically the difference between pet meters and human meters is greater at higher ranges, and will get closer at lower blood glucose values.

Moreover, all meters can have an allowable +/-15-20% variance per FDA standards for accuracy. What might be helpful to consider is that you are looking at the overall trends and patterns in BG values over several days regardless of the meter you use.
 
Laurie&Petey said:
The pet meter spreadsheet will turn lime (too low) for 67 or less, and my understanding is 70 to 130 is ideal and of course we want them in the greens as much as possible which will be 99 - 68.

We all started out in those scary numbers, you're already seeing progress so that is good!

There is a sticky for pet meters too that is a great reference when you're not overwhelmed with info.
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I am so going to find today right now. I've actually taken a break and for the last 2 whole days, haven't read anything for either Nico or my newly diagnosed cancer kitty. It was getting to the point I was constantly reading and kept falling asleep with the phone in my hand.😅
I just thought of something, if I do stick with the pet meter, I need to find out what the dose is to not go up. We're doing the TR method and Wendy told me last night we don't go up if it's below 200. But that's the human meter I guess? I definitely need to find that link, so thank you for telling me about it.
And he had an entire month I think, on PZ. There was no progress there. :( I'm so glad after reading about Lantus, that we switched. Flatter curves, less chance of hypo? I'm for all that!
Christie & Maverick said:
I personally went back and forth between pet meter and human meter a few times over the years, and I would just suggest for your own sanity to pick a meter and stick with it. Typically the difference between pet meters and human meters is greater at higher ranges, and will get closer at lower blood glucose values.

Moreover, all meters can have an allowable +/-15-20% variance per FDA standards for accuracy. What might be helpful to consider is that you are looking at the overall trends and patterns in BG values over several days regardless of the meter you use.
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Thanks! I also wanted to know what he was doing comparatively with the human meter. Where his colors would be if going by that. :)
 
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