10/30 Ming AMPS = 567, PMPS = 86

[Tanya and Ducia]

Do you mean I should put a bit of HC food for him every snack or now as a snack?

I meant only for the +9 test.
Why: Yesterday he lowered at +10. Lowered further at +11.
You are at +9 now. He is lowering.

If you offer a small snack @9, like 1 TEA spoon of LC it could help him stay around 103 until the PS. It is nice, safe, a good number to shoot 5U dose at. The reason I said add HC is to get it to work fast with hopes that it wears off in 2 h - and'd be clean of it by the PS, yet in the blue # easier to shoot at. Does it make sense? My logic is not ..ahhh.. comonly understood...

Without that snack he may lower further down to an uncomfortable # for you to shoot the full 5U and I think 5U is good choice for now. I wish you can keep it until Ming tells enough.

 

[Crista & Ming]

Does it make sense? My logic is not ..ahhh.. comonly understood...

Yes! I understood the first time and then I over"thunk" it and spiralled away. I do that a lot. Thanks! I shall feed him now. I may delay shooting him 15 minutes and shoot at 830pm because my shift starts at 8 and I have to do things that may take longer than 15 mins. Depends on how many patients there are tonight.

 

[Sandy and Black Kitty]

+10 = 95

Nice nice nice. Now HOLD IT. Lol

Should I hold off on the snack with a bit of HC?

I would feed his regular snack if he usually gets one, and see what happens. Keep in mind it's late in the cycle- feeding after +10 can muddy the picture come PS time.
For your next shot, and probably the entire next cycle, I think you need to feed him something higher carb than the flavors you mentioned, all of which are under 4%. Some kitties just do better dining on the higher end of the LC range. Maybe try something around 8-10%?

 

[Sandy and Black Kitty]

My mom just asked and I got confused again: is what’s happening right now his reaction to then 5 units I shot him LAST night or this morning?? Because I thought we did a FS lol.

The thing about fur shots is you don't know how much might have got in...or not.
I do think the 6u depot may have still been in play today

 

[Crista & Ming]

He’s at 4.2 now and I’m starting the car to work. I will feed him higher carb meal tonight.

 

[Wendy&Neko]

What + time is “now”?

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

What + time is “now”?

AMPS +11

 

[Wendy&Neko]

@Tanya and Ducia I know that, just making a point that it’s good to record the + time.

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

I know that, just making a point that it’s good to record the + time.

duh...

Sorry, Wendy , I tend to get dull if tired, and that's been aplenty lately
I hope Ming does well on that dose, I think he can...

 

[Crista & Ming]

He’s at 4.8 during his PMPS.

And yes sorry!! I was rushing out the door.

Should I stall?

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

He’s at 4.8 during his PMPS.

And yes sorry!! I was rushing out the door.

Should I stall?

OK, it's like 86 US
pls hold on my PC freezes when I type
brb

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

Should I stall?

yes, can you , please?

take another test 30 min after 86. No food.

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

Also - are you both are already at your work?
Had you settled in?
How was the ride for Ming - no vomiting, or anything like that, I hope?...

 

[Crista & Ming]

Ok. I’m giving him some HC food with his regular LC food for his meal tonight.

His ride was great. He’s settled in his kennel and his cardboard box from home

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

His ride was great. He’s settled in his kennel and his cardboard box from home

I’m giving him some HC food with his regular LC food for his meal tonight.

did you take another test after 86?
do not feed if yo have not

 

[Crista & Ming]

95 after 30 minutes.

 

[Crista & Ming]

Have not fed. He’s very hungry

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

Have not fed. He’s very hungry

feed him some, but not his entire PS portion of MC.
The raw wont do unless you adding some honey or maple syrup.
What food do you have on hand - the wet foods?

 

[Crista & Ming]

I don't think the HC food with the LC food did much?

I hope tomorrow's cycle doesn't need me to stall so much. I'll have to bring him into work again tomorrow.

 

[Crista & Ming]

His snack wasn't the raw food. It was FF turkey gibs + yesterday's FF gravy food.

Ok I'll feed him a little of his meal now.

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

I hope tomorrow's cycle doesn't need me to stall so much.

let's deal with the current cycle now.
what food do you have on hand?

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

we keep cross - posting, or whatever.
My PC freezes when I type, so please, give a moment to reply.

Did you get my ? about what kind of foods you have on hand?

I mean only the carbs% content.
?

 

[Wendy&Neko]

He’s on his way up by himself if you haven’t fed yet. You could shoot and feed.

 

[Crista & Ming]

He doesn't really want to eat after all. He ate maybe 1/4 of his regular 3 oz. meal. Still shoot? I'll do a test now

 

[Crista & Ming]

Nevermind. He decided to eat. I have him about 50% of 3 oz.

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

I have him about 50% of 3 oz.

what carbs it was?

 

[Crista & Ming]

99 at +0.75. I'll shoot now?

 

[Crista & Ming]

what carbs it was?

One is 20% and one is the regular 2-7% carb. Gave about a 1 tbsp of the 20% carb like last night.

Should I feed him the rest?

 

[Crista & Ming]

Ok I shot 5 units.

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

99 at +0.75. I'll shoot now?

a few ?:

One is 20% and one is the regular 2-7% carb. Gave about a 1 tbsp of the 20% carb like last night.

I have him about 50% of 3 oz.

so what exactly and how much he ate right now?
before the shot?
I can get an idea as to what he has eaten if you tell me how much is what ever he is eating now - what part was20% and what was lc.
Can you please post it?

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

Ok I shot 5 units.

we cross posted again.
can you please answer my ? in the post #80?

 

[Crista & Ming]

So I combined 80% FF Turkey and Giblet can with 20% FF Chicken with Gravy

 

[Crista & Ming]

I gave him about 2 tbsps of food. Sorry, I'm also dealing with other patients hence my answers not coming in all at once.

 

[Chris & China (GA)]

Just try to get a +1 and +2 so if you need to intervene, you can catch it early

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

So I combined 80% FF Turkey and Giblet can with 20% FF Chicken with Gravy

was it only gravy or meat from the same can in it?

If LC with gravy only then I think that you fed him about 1 oz MC.
It might a bit too much, but the next test will tell.

Make the test at +1, I think.

Others might have better suggestion.

 

[Crista & Ming]

was it only gravy or meat from the same can in it?

Mostly gravy. I did put some meat in it. I just coudn't get as much cuz the can was cold haha

I jumped the gun and did a test. He's at 122 after 30 mins. But I'll do a +1 as normal because of onset.

 

[Sandy and Black Kitty]

By way of shooting your first green PS, you are hereby awarded your BOS
Congratulations



(and make sure you get a +1)

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

By way of shooting your first green PS, you are hereby awarded your BOS
Congratulations

@Crista & Ming
That's right - the BOS award!
I forgot.
Congrats! Well done!

I gave him about 2 tbsps of food.

Mostly gravy. I did put some meat in it. I just coudn't get as much cuz the can was cold

Ok, so ~1oz gravy 20% + LC at PMPS.

PMPS 99 - 2 Tsp 20% gravy only+some LC.
+0.5 122
+1

 

[Crista & Ming]

+1 = 144

Can I feed him the rest of his dinner?

 

[Sandy and Black Kitty]

+1 = 144

Can I feed him the rest of his dinner?

yes, of course.

 

[Chris & China (GA)]

Can I feed him the rest of his dinner?

Yes

 

[Crista & Ming]

*deep breath out*

There was someone else at the hospital fixing something and they finally left and now I feel less STRESSED. Also less stressed because I can finally let Ming out of his kennel now that the service person is gone. (And I can scream and no one will hear me.. just KIDDING).

+2 test is in 30 mins.

For your next shot, and probably the entire next cycle, I think you need to feed him something higher carb than the flavors you mentioned, all of which are under 4%. Some kitties just do better dining on the higher end of the LC range. Maybe try something around 8-10%?

Feed higher carb only for this cycle right because we think the 6u doses are still affecting him?

If it's still affecting him, would you say all those doses from before are affecting him as well? Or did we definitely drain all that poopoo dosing out during the 18 hr cycle?

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

Or did we definitely drain all that poopoo dosing out during the 18 hr cycle?

never heard of anything "definite" about cats...
I think that the most horrid poopoo of 10U is gone now but it doesn't mean all is rosie.
That Lantus depot could be very naughty.
You held the dose of 6U 4 cycles consecutively but then the time of shots and the dose changed.
That will affect the "affect -ability" of the depot on the BG level, if it makes sense.
We are yet to found what all of the adjustments to the depot meant for Ming'a BG.
I think that currently you are awaiting for the smaller, the 5U depot to get established and to show what it does. It might be full 6 cycles before it's ready.

Feed higher carb only for this cycle right because we think the 6u doses are still affecting him?

I think Sandy meant to make mid low carbs foods like 5-8% carbs as your regular feeding choice v. raw/ no carbs.
So recently out of DKA and having Black numbers in the SS is worrying and requires a good dose of insulin.
To sustain it some cats need to be fed a bit higher carbs to not let the reductions sneak in and to allow to keep green nadir producing dose longer BC longer in greens+ better the healing.

 

[Crista & Ming]

+2 = 184

He finished all his food.

 

[Crista & Ming]

I think Sandy meant to make mid low carbs foods like 5-8% carbs as your regular feeding choice v. raw/ no carbs.
So recently out of DKA and having Black numbers in the SS is worrying and requires a good dose of insulin.
To sustain it some cats need to be fed a bit higher carbs to not let the reductions sneak in and to allow to keep green nadir producing dose longer BC longer in greens+ better the healing.

Okay. That makes me want to try giving him MC food and shooting at whatever number I get tomorrow morning. I WANT to... doesn't mean I'll have the actual steel balls to do it lol. The steel balls tonight were more like shaking, rattling, scared steel balls.

I'll test every 2 hours now?

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

I'll test every 2 hours now?

No!

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

+2 = 184

He finished all his food.

have a break until maybe the +7 for data collection purpose, do not feed too much, and then check again at +10 or earlier a bit in case he does like going lower/ nadiring late.

 

[Crista & Ming]

No!

Ok! LOL!!! I'll leave him alone and focus on work now.

I hope he goes to sleep or he's going to be super tired tomorrow during the day. And then it's probably back with me to work again depending on my middle sister lol. Two more night shifts to go and then I have the weekend again to figure it all out

 

[Tanya and Ducia]

So you think you'll be ok?
I feel like going to bed right now?

Again, we are still to find out if he nadirs late but it looks like he does so make sure you check him and if he comes for food all of a sudden - take a test, could be sign of lowering , then feed him.
I'll be up by your +11 or so. I'll check in.

Will you be all right?
@Crista & Ming

I hope @Chris & China or @Sandy and Black Kitty agree with what I posted. And that one of them can check on you early on tomorrow.

 

[Crista & Ming]

Yes please, go to sleep, @Tanya and Ducia THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!

I know what to do if he lows