10/2 Muffin pmps 95 +3 113

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Anne&Muffin (GA)

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AMPS 233; shot .75u
+1 176
+3.75 97
+7.75 83
+10 106
PMPS 95; shot .75u
+1 109
+2 133
+4 159
AMPS 125; shot .75u

Good morning LL and happy Caturday!

Again, Muffin seems hungry this morning, but not interested in turkey. She's already gone outside, eaten grass, and almost thrown up. So it looks like she'll need some syringe feeding today. Should I feed her something higher in calories or go for something higher in protein, since the vet said lots of meat for treatment. Or does it not really matter at this point, as long as she eats something? I was thinking I could use the a/d the vet sold me at dx in case of hypo, since I'll never ask her to eat that. Or should I try something I feed the other cats in the hope that she'll develop a taste for it? And I looked up symptoms for hepatic lipidosis, and it seems to me that if you see any of those, it's already pretty bad.

No p's present yet today, not even puking.
 
Re: 10/2 Muffin amps 125 Assist feed question

I have no experience with cats that won't eat, so I'm not any help with this. I hope others will have some suggestions for you...maybe post on health too?
 
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+1 113 She has eaten 1 slice of turkey now, not interested in more, nor in the chicken. Purring present also. No LB yet (unusual).

Thanks Laurie, I'll cross post in health.
 
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Anne....I don't know if it's better to feed her something higher in calories or higher in protein based on her diabetes. Cats are obligate carnivores and require a higher level of protein. I don't know the carbs in a/d and don't know what that would do to her BG but she has to eat. It might be something to discuss with your vet but she needs food. If I have a cat that is off their food a bit, I typically will start assist feeding with their regular food...I have a Magic Bullet and it really purees the food nicely. I typically don't need to syringe feed more than a meal or so and they're doing better on their own. But that is what I do for my cats and I don't know Muffin so it's best that you either speak with your vet or someone more experienced in the group address the calories vs protein...but bottom line...she MUST eat. It's the mantra they always have in the CRF group...if they aren't eating, it doesn't really matter what their kidney values are so feed them whatever they'll eat. Do you have a good, large syringe and know how to assist feed? If you don't, I have a good video that demonstrates it. Just send me a PM. Hope she eats today.
 
Re: 10/2 Muffin amps 125 +1 113 Assist feed question

What about baby food? Most kitties love the stuff. It's about 7% carb and it's high protein -- just meat, broth, and cornstarch.

The mantra here is the same -- eating is a priority.
 
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Thanks Marjorie, I'll PM you

Sienne - I used baby food last time I syringe fed her (she wont eat it on her own) but my concern is it's only 80 calories in the whole jar. I want to make sure she's getting enough calories in addition to just getting food into her. I guess I could start with that, and if I have to repeat, I can use something higher calorie?
 
Re: 10/2 Muffin amps 125 +1 113 Assist feed question

a/d is about medium-carb (low-teens iirc), and it's a nice consistency for syringe-feeding. i wouldn't hesitate to use it myself. wellness turkey/chicken is almost the same amount of calories or a little more, iirc, and better quality, but the risk is she may not want to touch those ever again if you syringe-feed it. all three are good consistencies for feeding syringes.

i personally would choose a food that will not end up being her regular food for syringe-feeding, in case she finds the experience unpleasant and then associates that particular food with it. i'm particular about that, having experienced food aversion with a cat.
 
Re: 10/2 Muffin amps 125 +1 113 Assist feed question

Great point....I've never had any problems syringe feeding my cats so they don't get an aversion to the food but you make an outstanding point. Thanks for bringing that up for Anne to consider.
 
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+2 93 She dumped the bowl of chicken breast on the floor, making the drooler quite happy while expressing quite clearly her displeasure!

Thanks WCF, I think I'll go ahead and use the a/d first and then in a few hours use turkey baby food and if I have to continue, I can alternate between the 2. I'm definitely concerned about causing food aversion, but torn, since she won't taste anything wet on her own anyway, between that fear and the desire for her to acquire a taste for canned. I suppose avoiding the aversion is more important, so thank you.
 
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+3 87 Force fed 2 tsps a/d @ +2.75 - what a mess, and even tho I gave her breaks to get up and walk around, she was growling thru the 2nd half. Poor Ms Muffin :cry: But she ate 3/4 of another slice of turkey @ +3. I've skipped the ab's today, figuring there's no infection anyway, and opting to cut down on the stress of administering it (for both of us). Only today and tomorrow left in the course anyway. I'm really going to keep on top of the numbers game today, what with less food in general and NO DRY FOOD at all, which she is still strongly objecting to. Stressful times for both of us, but if this ends up getting her off that dry food, it will all be more than worth it.
 
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Oh Muffin and Anne....Just learned about Muffin not wanting to eat now.....

....Kim told me.... My two cats were having issues after the move....one still is but she's not the diabetic one....so that is a bit easier to deal with.

It can make you crazy trying to figure out what to give them...they will like something for one meal then turn up their nose for the next meal......And the force feeding is always hard on you both.....All this on top of dealing w/the diabetes....and the pilling. Ugh!!!

I'm sorry you both are going through this right now......

Sending "hunger" and healing vines to Muffin.

Sending calming and extra emotional energy vines to you Anne.

I hope this resolves itself soon for Muffin.
 
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Hey Anne...I wonder if you can slowly transition her by soaking her dry food in chicken broth and smushing it and then mixing in some baby food to start with and then gradually some canned food. Do you think she'd try that on her own?? Nice numbers!!
 
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+4 87 She seems to feel good today, she's wandering around the house a lot (probably in search of her FF dry!)

Thank you Tena, for the kind words and positive thoughts. I don't think this is as much of a hunger issue for Muffin, I think she's invoking her stubborn streak and choosing to go a "hunger strike" because she's not getting what she wants. This is just what she does whenever I try to change her food. She is hungry, and is periodically eating the turkey when she can't stand it any more, she's just trying to make me give in and get the dry food.

Marjorie - I've tried soaking the dry in water, and she would have no part of that. Chicken broth is a good idea, but at this point, I want her to think we ran out of dry food, the store ran out of dry food, FF stopped making it, and it no longer exists. :lol:
 
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Hi Anne - I wish I could help you out here, but I've just not had any experience in dealing with the issue at hand. I offer support in the event that will help. Come on Muffin - eat for your mama. At least her numbers are good.
 
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Sorry, Anne....I should know you would have thought of soaking the dry food...you are such an awesome mama...she's so lucky to have you!! I'm glad she seems to be feeling ok and you are doing great with her numbers! I'm headed out in search of more LC food in the range of 0-3%. I'll check back in later :-D
 
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+8 103 She's never had a day this flat and beautiful, I'm just thrilled. I'm attributing it mostly to the omission of the dry food. She seems to be feeling a little yuckier this later afternoon - sort of hunched down when she's walking, and had to be fetched for this test. Not sure whether it's more likely pain from FLUTD / pancreatitis or nausea from the diet change.

Thanks for checking in Michelle, the support definitely helps.

Thank you Marjorie, and please continue to suggest any ideas you have, I'm sure I haven't thought of everything.
 
Re: 10/2 Muffin amps 125 +2 93 +4 87 +5 108 +8 103

Oh Anne, I have no ideas for youl I'm just sympathizing.
Checkers is not a good eater, and I have to sprinkle most food with freeze-dried chicken dust, or FortiFlora. He has always been like this. I'm always amazed and a bit envious at people who say their cats vacuum up food.
Muffin has had a beautiful day of flat low numbers, that has to make you happy. I'm so sorry she is feeling crappy. That's hard on you, I know.
I keep reading your condos, hoping for a 'lighrbulb' moment, when you find the one thing that makes Muffin not want the dry stuff, as I have a civvie that screams at me, if I don't give it to him. I have to lock him in a room when he eats, so Checks doesn't get it.....and I've often failed to keep Checks from it.
 
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HI Muffin I hear you are not wanting to eat much for your Bean sending feel better and eat vibes for her :-D cat_pet_icon :YMHUG: :YMHUG:
 
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it was a great numbers day for Muffin. Sorry she isn't feeling well. Did you get any pain meds for the FLUTD?
 
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+10 97 Really seems to be feeling crummy now. :YMSIGH: :cry: Nothing to eat since +4, but don't want to bother her with force feeding right now. Denosyl due @ +11.5 and has to be on empty stomach, so I'll just wait for shot time. 5 teenagers in the house isn't helping, I'm sure. They've been warned twice already to settle down, next time they're out.

Libby - I have bupe from before, just gave her some of that and some pepcid, which has made her go into hiding.
 
Re: 10/2 Muffin amps 125 +2 93 +4 87 +8 103 +10 97

OK Muffin...Its time for a face-to-face talk young lady. Ya gotta eat. No more kitty crack for you cuz FF stopped making it. That's what my bean told me and she never lies. (paws crossed)​


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Muffin-girl...my mom probably lies about a lot of things but NEVER about cat food...and she says FF dry never ever gonna be made again...

binks

Anne...i hope this girl feels better soon.
i have to hand it to you, lady...even with all the stress, you manage to keep your humor intact...i busted up reading your post on the FF.
grace under pressure, ma'am. if i wore a hat, it would be off to you, but the only hat here is binks black judy garland fedora...and he has told me mitts off.

celi
 
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Hi Anne,
Im sorry to hear muffin is still feeling so unwell. I am glad you got to the bottom of it, and have a good idea whats going on.

When did you start prednisolone? It can take a few days or longer to fully kick in. I didnt notice much of a difference for a week or two with Latte, and had to still syringe feed for a period of time. I remember being so worried that it was not working. Evenutally it kicked in well.

Latte was also a die hard kibble eater. Since she was so difficult to get to eat, anything was fine with me...even kibble...even after her FD dx. I admit I have only read your condo's sporadically, so please forgive me if you have already mentioned the food you do feed. Have you tried the EVO kibble? It seems to be the lowest carb dry food. Its also one of the highest in calories. This was helpful for us because 1/3 c was more than enough for Latte to sustain, and even gain weight. Compared to the amount I would have had to get her to eat of other foods/brands...it was a drop in the bucket. Not that Im encouraging dry food ;-) ,but a cat HAS to eat. No ifs and or buts with that. Heck, one summer all I could get Latte to eat was friskies kitten kibble. GAG! How incredibly BAD for a cat with kidney and GI disease. Without it, she wouldnt have seen a few more summers.

Sienne mentioned babyfood, which you said she wont eat. Latte adored babyfood, but ONLY from the golden spoon brought to her. The only other thing she would eat from a spoon was yogurt. Some people find putting it on their finger is enough to get interest going. Assist feeding is not always about syringes. Its about being creative about HELPING them eat and want to eat. You might consider raising any dishes in case of an upset tummy. That can help.

Latte was never allowed on the porch to eat from her grass until AFTER she had eaten food because it caused her to throw up when on an empty stomach. I always knew the days she was most nauseated....she would be begging to go outside. It might be worthwhile to make sure she has something in her tummy before getting into the grass to prevent further vomiting.

I hope you find something that works and she starts feeling better. Maybe the bupe and pepcid will do the trick tonight. Avoid holding out on the kibble too long and having a war of the wits with a cat. :lol: She WILL win (but not in her best interest). She needs to eat.


Oh - and sorry about those teenagers. Isnt it Saturday night? They should be going somewhere, right?
 
Re: 10/2 Muffin amps 125 +2 93 +4 87 +8 103 +10 97

Oh Anne I'm so sorry Muffin is feeling worse. Carolyn had some great ideas and maybe it will help. Poor little darling girl. She has so much going on and you are such a great mom to just be so focused on her and doing all you can to make her feel better. Healing vines....all over the place!!
 
Re: 10/2 Muffin pmps 95 I'm frustrated

pmps 95 I thought she was going eat, she came willingly for test and was excited for food. She ate less than a slice of turkey, and one bite of cheese and it seemed to immediately not sit well. I tried the prednisone, big battle, she spit it out countless times, foamed at the mouth, growled, scratched and bit me. I even tried coating it with butter this time, and all that did was make it not come out of the pill gun. This one is a piece of cr*p. She's hiding and feeling rotten, and I'm feeling frustrated and guilty and totally worthless. In the midst of a good cry right now, maybe it will help. Kibby even interrupted his bath to comfort me. Tomorrow I'll tour the local specialty pet stores in search of a better piller. Tonight I guess I'll have to piss her off again by forcing her to eat.

Sorry for being a Negative Nancy.
 
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Anne - she's so stubborn. wow. can you offer her anything that she'll eat? I hate it when my 4-legged loveys get the best of me, but on occasion it happens. I can't believe she will make herself sick staging a hunger strike but she sure is doing exactly that. butting heads with a cat - been there. cat(2)_steam
 
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Anne,
There are a lot of folks on the board w/ cats who have multiple health issues and give their kitties whatever they will eat when not feeling well...incl kibble. She needs to eat. Food trumps ANY dis-ease process. It might be better to try a food sitch when she is feeling better.

Im really sorry to hear about the pilling fight. Oh how I hated those. If you were going to be on the pred longer, I could recommend alternatives - treats, tiny tabs, injection, transdermal gel, etc.

Hang in there. You are doing the best you can. No matter your frustration, if you chose to assist feed w/ a syringe please remember you are assisting Not forcing. Assist will give you a sense of calm. Force will contribute to resentments both from yourself and muffin. kwim?

(((anne))) (((muffin)))

btw...if you are getting something in, that is GREAT!
 
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I totally agree with Carolyn...maybe you should fight this food battle another day....let her have what she will eat tonight and let her settle down. Maybe
you can get her pred into her later if she eats what she wants to. Extra (((((Anne)))))).
 
+3 113 She ate some more turkey. I offered turkey baby food mixed with a little water. She said no thank you, but Shnookie said yes please! So I let him finish the jar. I offered some Merrick Thanksgiving Day Dinner - "what do I do with that mom?" Added fortiflora to it - sniff sniff "ummm...I don't think so" At least she ate a little something. I'm not pulling out the FF dry tonight, since I know she's gotten some nutrition today. If this keeps up tomorrow, tho, I may have to - at least for a treat after all the terrible things I'm doing to her lately. She's back on the desk with me - had to wake her up for this test, but she came willingly. She's been really jumpy all afternoon and evening.

Tomorrow is another day!
 
(((Anne)))
I know you are doing the best you can for Muffin, I hate to see you so frustrated. I wish I had a suggestion for you, but you have already tried everything I can think of and then some!

I think Carolyn makes a good point...when they are not feeling well, you let them eat whatever they will eat. It isn't worth risking fatty liver. On the other hand, you are getting some food into her, so that's good! I think it's your call whether to give her the dry or not. You could always try again when she's feeling better. She is a very stubborn kitty!

Whatever you decide, you have my support! Hang in there!
 
how much longer are you up Anne? Miss Muffin - you little toot - eat something!

I hate to leave you alone if you are gonna be sitting up and fretting.
 
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