Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Hi Bron if you look at her SS for US why is it saying #value under AMPS and PMPS
but in World it explains what she did
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but in World it explains what she did
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Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Hi Dianne,
Only numbers translate over to the US SS from the world SS so Dena will need to go into the US SS and change it manually.
Librarianista
Member Since 2021
Just want to say that you are doing a GREAT job for your kitty! It’s super overwhelming right now (we have all been there!), but it will get easier for both of you.
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Thank you. I am trying my best for Juggie
I was trying for same spot on ear but did try on other ear as well. You gave some good advice and i will try to stick to one spot and nail down a routine he can get used to. fingers crossed!
no I'm sorry, I'm completely lost. if my normal schedule is 7am/7pm and because it was an hour and a half late i need to give it when? lol i think my brain has retired for the evening.
i can try if i'm still awake
good to know, fixed it
Librarianista
Member Since 2021
You can back up the shot time 1/2 hour each today.
So if the PM shot was at 8:30 tonight, you can do 8 AM/PM tomorrow, 7:30 the next day, and the. 7 after that.
You could also do 15 minute increments each shot, so 8:15 tomorrow morning, 8 tomorrow evening, etc.
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
You shot at 8:30 tonight correct ? one and a half hour late
If you want to do 1/2 hour only once a day
It would be
6-20-21 test him and give insulin at 8:00 AM
6-21-21 test him and give insulin at 7:30 AM
6-22-21. test him and give insulin at 7:00 AM
If you want to do it by 15 minutes each shot
6-20-21. test him and give insulin at 8:15 AM
6-20-21. test him and give insulin at 8:00 PM
6-21-21. test him and give insulin at 7:45 AM
6-21-21. test him and give him insulin at 730 PM
6-22-21. test him and give him insulin at 7:15 AM
6-22-21. test him and give him insulin at 7:00 PM
@Bron and Sheba (GA)
Is this correct?
@DenaRox
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Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Try and get at least one test in tonight if possible and leave some food out for him.
If the BG is a lot lower than the preshot, you may need to set the alarm and get up amd test again to see he is safe.
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
It doesn't have to be the same exact spot on his ear , Bron meant the same spot when testing him
I would put Tyler on the couch with his head close to the arm rest and I would sit right along side of him, have everything ready , I would put the test strip in the meter and have the lancet in my hand . The time never ran out for me on the meter because Tyler let's me test him immediately
Some will put the test strip in the meter half way and the push it all the way in when ready to test .
Some test them on kitchen counters
Where ever you decide to put him for the test, try putting him there a few times a day without testing, rubbing his ears and give him a treat
Get him used to associating a test then getting his treat
Some members sing to their cats
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Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Absolutely! I did mean the same place in the house not the same spot on the ear. you can use both ears. If you shine a torch behind the ear, you will see a vein run right around the outside of the ear. You need to try and get between the edge of the ear and the vein…not on the vein but beside it. Then after collecting the blood, gentle hold the spot for a few seconds to stop any seepage and bruising.
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Test anywhere in the sweet spot area
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
@Bron and Sheba (GA)
Bron did I give her the correct times #56?
Bron did I give her the correct times #56?
Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Yes that’s correct!
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Tyler also had neuropathy walking like a rabbit
I see you said
"He can still walk and jump and stuff but does it flat footed. He jackrabbits up stairs."
As Bron said once he is regulated it will get better
You could order the Zobaline but it's expensive
A lot of us use the vitacost brand they do ship to Canada
https://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-vitamin-b-12-methylcobalamin-5000-mcg-100-capsules-6
Alot of members use this , I use it myself you can buy it on line from Vitacost
Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules
It's 17.99 just be sure this is the one you buy
Some us Zobaline , but it's expensive
This is the same thing
The only difference is the Zobaline has 200 mcgs of folic acid
So I buy the folic acid at the supermarket and crush it up and add it to the B-12
If you can't find the 200 mcg get the 400 mcg and cut it in half
The Vitacost brand is a capsule so just open it and pour the powder on the wet food
Has no taste, no need to crush it up
The Zobaline is 33.99 for 60 pills, too expensive
I saw a big improvement I'd say 3 months, could be sooner. One capsule a day.
Once you get your kitty better regulated the B-12 methyl will help
Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules
I see they are out stock for the 100 capsules 14.49
Go to the drop down you will see 60 capsules for 9.44 that's still a good price even if you buy 2 bottles
15% off Code APC76Q3TX Expires 6-30-21
I see you said
"He can still walk and jump and stuff but does it flat footed. He jackrabbits up stairs."
As Bron said once he is regulated it will get better
You could order the Zobaline but it's expensive
A lot of us use the vitacost brand they do ship to Canada
https://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-vitamin-b-12-methylcobalamin-5000-mcg-100-capsules-6
Alot of members use this , I use it myself you can buy it on line from Vitacost
Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules
It's 17.99 just be sure this is the one you buy
Some us Zobaline , but it's expensive
This is the same thing
The only difference is the Zobaline has 200 mcgs of folic acid
So I buy the folic acid at the supermarket and crush it up and add it to the B-12
If you can't find the 200 mcg get the 400 mcg and cut it in half
The Vitacost brand is a capsule so just open it and pour the powder on the wet food
Has no taste, no need to crush it up
The Zobaline is 33.99 for 60 pills, too expensive
I saw a big improvement I'd say 3 months, could be sooner. One capsule a day.
Once you get your kitty better regulated the B-12 methyl will help
Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules
I see they are out stock for the 100 capsules 14.49
Go to the drop down you will see 60 capsules for 9.44 that's still a good price even if you buy 2 bottles
15% off Code APC76Q3TX Expires 6-30-21
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DenaRox
Member Since 2021
@Bron and Sheba (GA) tested again and updated SS, he is at 13.9 (250) I am going to give him his midnight snack because he had to wait and is pissy lol. i'm hoping because it has risen a smidge that i'm good to wait to test again at his amps. let me know if im wrong
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Hi Dena that should be fine leave him some FF out, by the way on your spreadsheet you do not have to put @+4 after that 250 , just put 250 and the color will light up blue
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Oops my bad. That was supposed to be @+4.5
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
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Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
I see Diane has helped you. Glad you are able to get the BG. Well done!!
Was it any easier?
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Dena what time is it where you are , midnight snack?
Just curious if you are in Canada isn't it around 4:30 AM
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Just a reminder I wanted to make sure you saw this above, please hit like so we know that you read this.to get back to your regular time 7AM and 7PM
You shot at 8:30 tonight correct ? one and a half hour late
If you want to do 1/2 hour only once a day
It would be
6-20-21 test him and give insulin at 8:00 AM
6-21-21 test him and give insulin at 7:30 AM
6-22-21. test him and give insulin at 7:00 AM
If you want to do it by 15 minutes each shot
6-20-21. test him and give insulin at 8:15 AM
6-20-21. test him and give insulin at 8:00 PM
6-21-21. test him and give insulin at 7:45 AM
6-21-21. test him and give him insulin at 730 PM
6-22-21. test him and give him insulin at 7:15 AM
6-22-21. test him and give him insulin at 7:00 PM
@DenaRox
You shot at 8:30 tonight correct ? one and a half hour late
If you want to do 1/2 hour only once a day
It would be
6-20-21 test him and give insulin at 8:00 AM
6-21-21 test him and give insulin at 7:30 AM
6-22-21. test him and give insulin at 7:00 AM
If you want to do it by 15 minutes each shot
6-20-21. test him and give insulin at 8:15 AM
6-20-21. test him and give insulin at 8:00 PM
6-21-21. test him and give insulin at 7:45 AM
6-21-21. test him and give him insulin at 730 PM
6-22-21. test him and give him insulin at 7:15 AM
6-22-21. test him and give him insulin at 7:00 PM
@DenaRox
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Yes that is what I mean, if incorrect how would onr portray that?
So thankful for everyone’s help.
Easier, Not at all 
but my daughter helped. Everyone walked away frustrated and angry but nobody got bit, so progressThere are 6 time zones in Canada , When I posted the late midnight snack post it was 1:30am ( it was 2:06 my time when you posted asking) and it’s 3:45 am as I write this because I’m having a terrible time going to sleep
Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Remember it will all get much better. The first couple of weeks are the hardest for you and Juggie.
You are really doing well, even if you don’t feel you are.
To write 4 hours 30 you write @4.50
You are really doing well, even if you don’t feel you are.
To write 4 hours 30 you write @4.50
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Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Yes it is….I need to go to bed!
Thx. I’ll change it
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
Sorry I had so many questions for you tonight, have a good sleepYes it is….I need to go to bed!
Diane Tyler's Mom GA
Member Since 2018
No problem just remember to change it on your spreadsheet
Enter it like this
250 (then a space )@+4.5
So 250 @+4.5
You then have to go in manually and color it blue See all the colors at the top of your
spreadsheet.
15 minutes would be BG number @+25
75 minutes would be BG number @+75
They have to be colored in manually
Full hours will color automatically
Sorry to be such a stickler
I'm glad no one got bit
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Stress!
I don’t know what to do! This just isn’t working. It took two of us 60 minutes of straight up vicious battle to get a drop. He hissed and bites and thrashes his head back and forth even with holding him down. We ended up literally holding him down in a burrito wrap and I took it from his paw but barely got it. I know we messed up, his number was 11.1 @ +50
My daughter was crying, I was crying and beyond frustrated, and I know you said not to give insulin of his BG was under 11 and 11.1 is so close but out of frustration we did anyway because his schedule is already behind and now it’s even more behind and pushing back doesn’t work because I work tomorrow and only my daughter (she’s 18) is here for her morning unit and she can’t glucose test alone and we are all super stressed.
Juggie really hates his ears and paws being touched at the best of times so you can imagine his anger and stress at being touched. Is there somewhere else on the body we can do it? He has two bald patches on his neck, could we try there or would we not get enough blood? I just know because he hates ears and paws being touched this will not get better but continue to get worse. Really need some direction and help and to stop crying but first I have to go apologize to my daughter because it was such a nasty experience and I got upset and took it out on her not the best way to start our day for sure.
@Bron and Sheba (GA)
I don’t know what to do! This just isn’t working. It took two of us 60 minutes of straight up vicious battle to get a drop. He hissed and bites and thrashes his head back and forth even with holding him down. We ended up literally holding him down in a burrito wrap and I took it from his paw but barely got it. I know we messed up, his number was 11.1 @ +50
My daughter was crying, I was crying and beyond frustrated, and I know you said not to give insulin of his BG was under 11 and 11.1 is so close but out of frustration we did anyway because his schedule is already behind and now it’s even more behind and pushing back doesn’t work because I work tomorrow and only my daughter (she’s 18) is here for her morning unit and she can’t glucose test alone and we are all super stressed.
Juggie really hates his ears and paws being touched at the best of times so you can imagine his anger and stress at being touched. Is there somewhere else on the body we can do it? He has two bald patches on his neck, could we try there or would we not get enough blood? I just know because he hates ears and paws being touched this will not get better but continue to get worse. Really need some direction and help and to stop crying but first I have to go apologize to my daughter because it was such a nasty experience and I got upset and took it out on her
not the best way to start our day for sure.@Bron and Sheba (GA)
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Librarianista
Member Since 2021
I’m so, so sorry this is your experience.Stress!
I don’t know what to do! This just isn’t working. It took two of us 60 minutes of straight up vicious battle to get a drop. He hissed and bites and thrashes his head back and forth even with holding him down. We ended up literally holding him down in a burrito wrap and I took it from his paw but barely got it. I know we messed up, his number was 11.1 @ +50
My daughter was crying, I was crying and beyond frustrated, and I know you said not to give insulin of his BG was under 11 and 11.1 is so close but out of frustration we did anyway because his schedule is already behind and now it’s even more behind and pushing back doesn’t work because I work tomorrow and only my daughter (she’s 18) is here for her morning unit and she can’t glucose test alone and we are all super stressed.
Juggie really hates his ears and paws being touched at the best of times so you can imagine his anger and stress at being touched. Is there somewhere else on the body we can do it? He has two bald patches on his neck, could we try there or would we not get enough blood? I just know because he hates ears and paws being touched this will not get better but continue to get worse. Really need some direction and help and to stop crying but first I have to go apologize to my daughter because it was such a nasty experience and I got upset and took it out on her
@Bron and Sheba (GA)
Others may need to weigh in on the potential negatives of taking a slower start to testing, but you may need to build up positive associations for Juggie with regards to testing. If he lets you pet his ears for a minute, give him a treat (low carb). If you’re using a lancing device, click it near him and give him a treat. If he gets used to that sound, click it near his ear and give him a treat. Pet his ears, click the device and give a treat. Hopefully he will start to look forward to at least having his ears touched if he gets rewarded for it. It could take several days. We are a few weeks into regular testing and while I wouldn’t say she looks forward to it, Chloe at least knows the sound of the testing equipment and will usually not run away now.
If there’s a time during the day that he’s calmer, try getting a drop then. Even if you don’t get the successful test, give a treat for the attempt.
Some days Chloe will just not sit for a pre-shot test because she’s hungry and rambunctious. It doesn’t work for us. So I just feed and shoot and get a +1 when she’s calmed down.
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Thank you. Thank you so much for your reply. This has been way more traumatic of an experience for all than I thought it would be
The biggest problem is Juggie has always hated his ears or paws being touched. He freaks out on at the best of times when his ears are touched so this whole experience is like his own personal hell. I really can not see him ever getting used to or even just tolerating it so I feel lost as to how to move forward.
we have been doing it manually but will try the pen to see if that works better/faster. I just had issue holding the pen to see where to align it on his ears so it pricks his ear properly.
I thought the most important part was to test before insulin to know if you can give insulin or not? That’s part of the big panic for us, the feeling of we can’t give insulin until we know his BG.
Librarianista
Member Since 2021
That's one of the reasons you might want to try giving him a treat if he just lets you touch him there. Hopefully some of that trauma can be undone.
The lancing pen can take some getting used to. I have occasionally hit Chloe's vein if she jerks suddenly or pierced through the ear. The ears will heal. If you apply pressure after the pierce, that will reduce the chance of bruising (which hurts more than the poke), and rubbing some Vaseline on the ears will help the healing process. I wrap a tissue around the index finger of the hand holding ear so I have a little more control than when I was holding a cotton ball or something behind the ear. And if I poke through the ear, my finger has less of a chance of being stuck (though I think we've all done that too).
This is one of the reasons I said that others might need to weigh in on the safety of my comments. I am pretty new to this myself. Long-term, yes, knowing the number before you shoot will be one of the most important things. But if you can't get to the point where's he's not terrified of the process, I don't think that's going to help anyone. I think some data will be better than no data at all. And if you're able to check later in the day what his numbers are like, you will have SOME information on what to do. Like if they are too low, you can feed him more. If he ends up running high for a while until he gets used to the process, that is not as dangerous as him running low.
When I am at work and my husband with anxiety has to do her BG checks, I have told him something similar. Some data is better than no data at all. And if you don't get anything on the first 1 or 2 tries, leave her alone and try again in an hour. Because that extra stress on both of them isn't going to help anyone.
There are also devices called Freestyle Libres which are attached to a cat's skin and track BG levels continuously for up to 14 days, so long as the cat doesn't rip it off. It's also not cheap (locally for me it is $70 for the device + installation). I've never used one personally, but it might be an option if ear pricks are truly a no-go.
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Librarianista
Member Since 2021
I also want to reiterate that you are doing a FANTASTIC job. This is an exceptionally hard process, especially at the beginning. There were times just a few weeks ago when I was in tears most of the day, and I wished Chloe would just quietly pass in the night so neither of us would be struggling and I wouldn't have to make that decision. Especially with everything that happened in 2020... it's just not something I needed on top of this. But we are settling into a new routine and she still loves me and it does get better.
Librarianista
Member Since 2021
I tried to take another BG and it was an epic fail he’s super upset at me and won’t let me near him
I have also seen it recommended on other threads that if your cat is hangry before a meal and you can't get the BG reading without food, you can feed small spoonful of the meal first and then try to get a test soon after. It would take some time (maybe 15 mins?) for that to affect the BG. So if there are troubling numbers, you could withhold the rest of the meal and/or insulin until you could post here. If he was distracted by food/treats the first time, maybe it will happen again.
Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Hi Dena
I’m sorry you are still having so much trouble. You have been given some good tips by Librarianista.
I found using the lancet device easier but others don’t.
If he’s getting to the point of fighting you I would stop and give him a break. Once a cat gets to that point it’s very hard to calm them. Desensitising him is the way to go. I hear you when you say he hates his ears being touched but only the ears and the paws are the places you can use. As suggested try multiple times just touching his ears and rewarding him. Also try singing or humming as you do it. That can help you both.
Preshot of 11.1 is showing the dose is ample. If you can get a test during the cycle that would be very helpful. It is how low the dose takes the cat that the dose is based on. And make sure he eats well during the cycle.
We test before the shot to see it is safe and during the cycle to see how low the dose takes the cat.
Maybe start trying to get a test half hour before Preshot so you have a bit of time. Don’t stress if you are running late. It happens. It will just mean you will have to adjust the time 1/2 hour each day to get back on schedule. Remember Juggie will sense your stress so try humming.
Remember it is very early days for both you and Juggie. And you are doing a great job.
Keep posting
I’m sorry you are still having so much trouble. You have been given some good tips by Librarianista.
I found using the lancet device easier but others don’t.
If he’s getting to the point of fighting you I would stop and give him a break. Once a cat gets to that point it’s very hard to calm them. Desensitising him is the way to go. I hear you when you say he hates his ears being touched but only the ears and the paws are the places you can use. As suggested try multiple times just touching his ears and rewarding him. Also try singing or humming as you do it. That can help you both.
Preshot of 11.1 is showing the dose is ample. If you can get a test during the cycle that would be very helpful. It is how low the dose takes the cat that the dose is based on. And make sure he eats well during the cycle.
We test before the shot to see it is safe and during the cycle to see how low the dose takes the cat.
Maybe start trying to get a test half hour before Preshot so you have a bit of time. Don’t stress if you are running late. It happens. It will just mean you will have to adjust the time 1/2 hour each day to get back on schedule. Remember Juggie will sense your stress so try humming.
Remember it is very early days for both you and Juggie. And you are doing a great job.
Keep posting
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DenaRox
Member Since 2021
sounds like a good plan. I will give it a try
thank you.
thank you, when we are ready to try again I will try Vaseline
I think my stress heightened his stress and resulted in failure. We are going to just chill and do as you suggested with trying to touch/reward with no actual pokes and see if we can get to a calmer level all around. Thanks for all your help.
oh I saw those at the pharmacy. Good to have a last choice option
Thank you so much for that. I am already so in love with this forum because it really does help to know others have been exactly where you are and felt exactly what you felt. Gives you hope to keep going
I feel trying manually my nerves and stress cause me to take too long, dragging out the process and causing more stress for all. When we do try again I’m going to try the pen and see if that helps.
yes we are going to chill and regroup and I will start touch/reward without any pokes to try and get to a comforting level again. Good idea about humming, to calm both of us
thank you for the advice. After this am fiasco Juggie was so angry he hid in the basement (his favourite alone time spot) and didn’t come up for hours. (I did check on him) He’s up now and is happily sitting in the window, I took him for some backyard time and his spirits seem to have lifted. He doesn’t hate me anymore. Yay!
Red & Rover (GA)
Member Since 2016
Welcome. Waving from Ontario. It is a matter of time and finding which trick works. Early days.
Librarianista
Member Since 2021
Best of luck!!
sounds like a good plan. I will give it a try
I think my stress heightened his stress and resulted in failure. We are going to just chill and do as you suggested with trying to touch/reward with no actual pokes and see if we can get to a calmer level all around. Thanks for all your help.
oh I saw those at the pharmacy. Good to have a last choice option
Thank you so much for that. I am already so in love with this forum because it really does help to know others have been exactly where you are and felt exactly what you felt. Gives you hope to keep going
I feel trying manually my nerves and stress cause me to take too long, dragging out the process and causing more stress for all. When we do try again I’m going to try the pen and see if that helps.
yes we are going to chill and regroup and I will start touch/reward without any pokes to try and get to a comforting level again. Good idea about humming, to calm both of us
thank you for the advice. After this am fiasco Juggie was so angry he hid in the basement (his favourite alone time spot) and didn’t come up for hours. (I did check on him) He’s up now and is happily sitting in the window, I took him for some backyard time and his spirits seem to have lifted. He doesn’t hate me anymore. Yay!
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Hi!! Waving from Saskatchewan
thanks for the encouragement it means a lot
Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
As mentioned above, the Freestyle libre is an option for you to think about as a temporary solution while you get Juggie used to being tested.
The downside of the freestyle libre is that it doesn’t always stay on for the 14 days and it can be more than $70 in many places. But it can be really good as a stop gap while you and Juggie get used to testing.
Juggie is a lucky boy to have you caring for him.
The downside of the freestyle libre is that it doesn’t always stay on for the 14 days and it can be more than $70 in many places. But it can be really good as a stop gap while you and Juggie get used to testing.
Juggie is a lucky boy to have you caring for him.
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Thank you. He is very loved. I will keep the libre in mind as a last resort. I tried again for his pmps but was not successful. I took advice and left it at an unsuccessful but rewarded experience for him. Will try again later and keep trying until we have success.
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
So it’s midnight here and we had zero luck getting any more readings because we stopped each time right when it was escalating to a super negative experience. I did finally catch him while urinating and noticed he is peeing a much more normal amount. Still a solid amount but not the never ending stream like before diagnosis. I did purchase the keto diastix and was able to successfully get it done. It showed negative keytones even after 30seconds, and showed 2% or more (111 mmol/L) glucose ( not really sure if that’s good bad or in between for his current situation) He’s eating well, purring and quite content (once we put his BG kit away). My daughter will monitor him closely (she just woke up as her sleep schedule is wonky) and I’m off to bed. Tomorrow is a new day to aim for success. Thanks everyone for the help and encouragement. (((HUGS)))
because we stopped each time right when it was escalating to a super negative experience. I did finally catch him while urinating and noticed he is peeing a much more normal amount. Still a solid amount but not the never ending stream like before diagnosis. I did purchase the keto diastix and was able to successfully get it done. It showed negative keytones even after 30seconds, and showed 2% or more (111 mmol/L) glucose ( not really sure if that’s good bad or in between for his current situation) He’s eating well, purring and quite content (once we put his BG kit away). My daughter will monitor him closely (she just woke up as her sleep schedule is wonky) and I’m off to bed. Tomorrow is a new day to aim for success. Thanks everyone for the help and encouragement. (((HUGS)))
Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Fantastic there are no ketones!
The urine test for the glucose is really an average of what it has been in his bladder since he last peed. So the 2% just indicates that there is glucose in the urine at some time since he last peed. It could have been high, then lower and it would not show that…just an average. So that is ok. If it had shown no sugar at all I would be more concerned with not getting many BG tests in.
It’s great he is peeing less and feeling good.
Tomorrow is a new day
The urine test for the glucose is really an average of what it has been in his bladder since he last peed. So the 2% just indicates that there is glucose in the urine at some time since he last peed. It could have been high, then lower and it would not show that…just an average. So that is ok. If it had shown no sugar at all I would be more concerned with not getting many BG tests in.
It’s great he is peeing less and feeling good.
Tomorrow is a new day
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Hi guys, just a little update on Juggie. We have still been unsuccessful with taking another BG but we are indeed slowly becoming more accepting of both his paws and ears being touched. I was so hoping this would be faster/easier but life with cats is always an adventure into the unexpected lol. Because are totally unregulated I have been diligent on using the keto-diastix to monitor ketones and urine glucose ( I know it only counts what his urine glucose was at one point since his last pee but it's all I've got until we get BG success). As for Juggie himself, his feces is still dark but not as dark as it was (posted about his black poo in it's own post) and he no longer strains to poo. He really is a different cat now, playful and has started self grooming again. I had noticed that his back paw pads were all dry and cracked and tough (was told it has to do with his neuropathy) but i started putting coconut oil on them and they are sooo much better. I also plan to purchase the methylb12 to give him as suggested here
I am sorry for not being around, I got my 2nd covid vaccine shot and it really put me out of commission. Today is the first day I have any energy and my eyes don't feel like they are popping out of my head from headache pain. Thanks again to everyone for helping me to help Juggie. Keep your fingers crossed we get some blood out of him soon lol
I am sorry for not being around, I got my 2nd covid vaccine shot and it really put me out of commission. Today is the first day I have any energy and my eyes don't feel like they are popping out of my head from headache pain. Thanks again to everyone for helping me to help Juggie. Keep your fingers crossed we get some blood out of him soon lol
Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Hi Dena
Thanks for the update.
Can you put the results of the urine strip tests in the remarks column of the SS please. That would be helpful thx.
I’m glad you are still progressing with the desensitisation of ears and paws. (Sorry that was an autocorrect and should have read ears not threats!! @DenaRox )
I’m glad he seems better. And you are feeling better too. Please keep us updated. Bron
Thanks for the update.
Can you put the results of the urine strip tests in the remarks column of the SS please. That would be helpful thx.
I’m glad you are still progressing with the desensitisation of ears and paws. (Sorry that was an autocorrect and should have read ears not threats!! @DenaRox )
I’m glad he seems better. And you are feeling better too. Please keep us updated. Bron
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DenaRox
Member Since 2021
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
hi guys,
little update, sorry for not keeping up with updating but i've been having some health issues that have knocked me out of commission. finally feeling back on the right track.
i have been trying unsuccessfully to do BG but continued to do the stix. he has continually been in the negative for ketones and bouncing between negative and 1 (56) on the glucose chart. its always either 1 or negative but the weird thing is that the glucose part just doesn't change. it doesn't get lite green like the negative image, it stays blue like when you take it out. the first few times i thought i didn't get enough urine but even after collecting and dunking in container of urine it still stayed blue. the times when stick does show colour change has always been at 1, nothing in between.
tonight was a miracle, about 10-15 min after feeding/insulin shot (i think he may have got 1.25 units instead of 1) Juggie was chill so we tried again to do BG and it was a success!! his reading was 6.9
juggie has been in good spirits. more playful and grooming like he hasn't for a long time. His legs seem to be getting worse, his front paws will now shake when standing and his back legs still swoosh out when he walks like he's ice skating, but i did notice him going up on paws a bit instead of flat rabbit foot. we have started him on the b-methyl but its only been a few days. really, other than his legs i would say he is acting like his old self.
little update, sorry for not keeping up with updating but i've been having some health issues that have knocked me out of commission. finally feeling back on the right track.
i have been trying unsuccessfully to do BG but continued to do the stix. he has continually been in the negative for ketones and bouncing between negative and 1 (56) on the glucose chart. its always either 1 or negative but the weird thing is that the glucose part just doesn't change. it doesn't get lite green like the negative image, it stays blue like when you take it out. the first few times i thought i didn't get enough urine but even after collecting and dunking in container of urine it still stayed blue. the times when stick does show colour change has always been at 1, nothing in between.
tonight was a miracle, about 10-15 min after feeding/insulin shot (i think he may have got 1.25 units instead of 1) Juggie was chill so we tried again to do BG and it was a success!! his reading was 6.9
juggie has been in good spirits. more playful and grooming like he hasn't for a long time. His legs seem to be getting worse, his front paws will now shake when standing and his back legs still swoosh out when he walks like he's ice skating, but i did notice him going up on paws a bit instead of flat rabbit foot. we have started him on the b-methyl but its only been a few days. really, other than his legs i would say he is acting like his old self.
Bron and Sheba (GA)
Member Since 2015
Congratulations on getting your first test in! That’s great.
6.9 (124) is quite a low number to get so soon after the shot….which means you probably gave the dose when it was around that number.
If you can I would suggest you try and get another test in about now if you can, as the insulin will onset soon and bring the BG down. And we need to make sure he is safe.
I would also give him a snack of low carb food now to help the BG from dropping.
Can you post when you get the next BG please?
6.9 (124) is quite a low number to get so soon after the shot….which means you probably gave the dose when it was around that number.
If you can I would suggest you try and get another test in about now if you can, as the insulin will onset soon and bring the BG down. And we need to make sure he is safe.
I would also give him a snack of low carb food now to help the BG from dropping.
Can you post when you get the next BG please?
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
Can you explain how BG numbers go? Like how long does it take for eating food to increase his BG? He didn’t eat for 4-5 hours before that. I fed and needle at same time so when I got BG it was 10 min after eating. I thought numbers should be lower that far after no?
Sadly I didn’t see this until now so didn’t get another BG but Juggie has been his same goofy self right until I went to bed. He even came and slept with me for a bit.
Librarianista
Member Since 2021
Usually it takes 20-30 minutes for food to affect BG.
Food makes BG go up. Insulin makes it go down.
Since Lantus starts to kick in (onset) about 2 hours after you give the shot, they wanted to make sure that from the onset to nadir (lowest point, usually 5-7 hours after shot), he wasn't at risk for hypoglycemia. Feeding them - even LC food - will help keep the BG at a healthy number. You might see that referred to here as floating or surfing - keeping that balance between food and insulin.
DenaRox
Member Since 2021
thanks for replying
Currently this is our schedule, Juggie is strictly fancy feast pate
Am shot - 1unit - 1 can pate
+5 1/2 can pate
+8 1/4 can pate (if he’s asking)
Pm shot - 1 unit - 1 can pate
+5 - 1/2 can pate (this is midnight our time so he doesn’t get anymore food until am shot
what I’m wondering is this. How much should 1/4 a can have raised his BG if he ate 1/4 at +8 and was 6.9 (124) at shot? like what should his numbers be at to be considered good and not warrant concern? I understand the insulin will lower his BG but feeding a full can at insulin dose would balance it, or no? Just trying to make sure I’m not screwing something up. I will keep at trying to get more BG tests done throughout day as I know that is the most important info
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