The ongoing saga of Sue and Joe and testing Joe at home

oops! That sounds like something I would do. ;). grass usually makes them puke. 3 is safe
He also seems wobbly, sort of, in the afternoon. Sort of had me worried and hesitant to increase. I guess the bottom line is the numbers though. Right? I mean getting those BS numbers down is what I am stiving for and that is the only way to do it
 
Yikes! Put Joe into the carrier and off to the vet we go. Receptionist cannot find our appointment and DERP..his appointment is tomorrow :facepalm:
Call in to her to make sure it is alright to go to 3units. He has thrown up a little. Twice. Both times there was grass in the vomit.
Derp indeed lol. Sorry Joe, we’re just practicing today haha. I hope she says 3 is ok. Grass puke is a-ok. We get pukes over here after most grass snacks.
 
He also seems wobbly, sort of, in the afternoon. Sort of had me worried and hesitant to increase. I guess the bottom line is the numbers though. Right? I mean getting those BS numbers down is what I am stiving for and that is the only way to do it
Wobbly how?
In my experience (others more experienced please correct if wrong) Templeton’s blood sugar being HIGH causes wobblyness. You’d want to worry about wobblys at a very low blood sugar, as that could be a hypoglycemic symptom, but that is ruled out as his blood sugar is so high. If anything, upping the dose will help him be more steady on his legs.
 
Could be a bit of neuropathy setting in too. Or very high or very low numbers. If you see him wobble do get a test of possible.
 
Look at this progress! You must be stoked. Look up B12 and Folic acid on here, might help for Joe is he's feeling wobbly. I know it's on my list of supplements to add.
 
Is he getting cat grass grown inside the house or is he allowed outdoors?
Joe is allowed outside, always has been. He is a rescue from outside and would tear up the house if he were not allowed outside. I have always been able to get him in for the night. He has always stayed close to home and now that he is sick he wants out, wants back in, wants out, back in, etc. all day long. He does enjoy his snoozes in the sun. Up until these past few months, when I walked the dog, Joe walked with me. All the way around the block. Every day. He still tries but I only walk 2 houses down and back because he is following and I feel it might be too much
 
Good good. That will have lots of information.
do you think this is the thing to do? It seems to me he is not responding to insulin and I fear an underlying condition. Although 3 other blood panels since January have not shown anything. Just grasping.
 
Joe is allowed outside, always has been. He is a rescue from outside and would tear up the house if he were not allowed outside. I have always been able to get him in for the night. He has always stayed close to home and now that he is sick he wants out, wants back in, wants out, back in, etc. all day long. He does enjoy his snoozes in the sun. Up until these past few months, when I walked the dog, Joe walked with me. All the way around the block. Every day. He still tries but I only walk 2 houses down and back because he is following and I feel it might be too much
Do you have room for a catios?
 
Do you have room for a catios?
I do. Joe likes to patrol. He walks up and down the sidewalk. The neighbors call him the security guy for the HOA. He hates dogs and most know to walk their dog across the street from Joe's house because he goes after them. I will build a catio for him if need be. Just trying to let him have the pleasures in life he enjoyed before getting sick. He still strolls the sidewalk but I notice he only goes as far as one house on each side. I have 3 cats. 2 were rescues from outdoors. Both are allowed out during the day. Joe is one of them. I have tried to keep both in and change their lives, giving window seats and pleasures indoors, to no avail. Jules pulled all the fur from her belly and armpits during this time and had to go on Prozac. Joe got to 20lbs. Cheddar, the newest member never goes outside and it is usually a rule of mine. Joe and Jules were both stray cats, born outdoors and rescued after they lived a bit of a rough life on the streets
 
When I tried to upload a pic the other day, it says "you do not have permission to upload" is there something I have to do?

Just got my best reading of 235! YAY:cat:
You can copy and paste but not upload. Yeah for a yellow number!! Maybe we found your breakthrough dose!!! If you can I'd test in 2-3 hours.
 
do you think this is the thing to do? It seems to me he is not responding to insulin and I fear an underlying condition. Although 3 other blood panels since January have not shown anything. Just grasping.

It can't hurt. But if you're already done 3 this year, if it were me I'd just try to be patient and see what the insulin can do. But that's just me, and where I am they are close to $400 each and I also have done 3 this year...:banghead:
 
read a bit about this. Zobalin. Going on my list of possible things if he continues to seem wobbly
You can also try

https://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-vitamin-b-12-methylcobalamin-5000-mcg-60-capsules-5
Alot of members use this , I use it myself you can buy it on line from Vitacost
Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules
It's 14.49 but out of stock , see what I wrote at the end
Same as Zobaline , but the Zobaline is so expensive as you know
This is the same thing
The only difference is the Zobaline has 200 mcgs of folic acid
So I buy the folic acid at the supermarket and crush it up and add it to the B-12
If you can't find the 200 mcg get the 400 mcg and cut it in half
The Vitacost brand is a capsule so just open it and pour the powder on the wet food
Has no taste, no need to crush it up
The Zobaline is 33.99 for 60 pills, too expensive
I saw a big improvement I'd say 3 months, could be sooner. One capsule a day.
Once you get your kitty better regulated the B-12 methyl will help


Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules

I see they are out stock for the 100 capsules 14.49
Go to the drop down you will see 60 capsules for 9.44 that's still a good price even if you buy 2 bottles.
https://www.vitacost.com
 
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It can't hurt. But if you're already done 3 this year, if it were me I'd just try to be patient and see what the insulin can do. But that's just me, and where I am they are close to $400 each and I also have done 3 this year...:banghead:
I just asked for another. Only $150ish here (Georgia) and what the heck, I did not have any other plans for my retirement $. LOL
 
You can also try

https://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-vitamin-b-12-methylcobalamin-5000-mcg-60-capsules-5
Alot of members use this , I use it myself you can buy it on line from Vitacost
Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules
It's 14.49 but out of stock , see what I wrote at the end
Some us Zobaline , but it's expensive
This is the same thing
The only difference is the Zobaline has 200 mcgs of folic acid
So I buy the folic acid at the supermarket and crush it up and add it to the B-12
If you can't find the 200 mcg get the 400 mcg and cut it in half
The Vitacost brand is a capsule so just open it and pour the powder on the wet food
Has no taste, no need to crush it up
The Zobaline is 33.99 for 60 pills, too expensive
I saw a big improvement I'd say 3 months, could be sooner. One capsule a day.
Once you get your kitty better regulated the B-12 methyl will help


Vitamin B-12 Methylcobalamin -- 5000 mcg - 100 Capsules

I see they are out stock for the 100 capsules 14.49
Go to the drop down you will see 60 capsules for 9.44 that's still a good price even if you buy 2 bottles. Call them to see if they ship to the UK , but I think they do
https://www.vitacost.com
Hi Diane, Is this for neuropathy or to help regulate?
 
Oh my gosh, my worst fear realized. Gave Joe his evening shot and when finished there was a small puddle of insulin atop his fur. I do not know how much he got in him. OMgosh
 
Oh my gosh, my worst fear realized. Gave Joe his evening shot and when finished there was a small puddle of insulin atop his fur. I do not know how much he got in him. OMgosh
Fur shots happen to everyone. Don't shoot more. It is what it is. Just note it as a furs hot on the ss. Bummer but it's fine.
 
Numbers are looking good. Just got a call from the vet. Blood Panel and Fructosamine look good. Have to pick up a copy tomorrow and will start a new thread and post
 
I like that 164 you saw today
Yes I know! As per the vet and please tell me if you agree, If Joes numbers are under 250 for 18 hours, but not counting an hour before or an hour after shot, then he is doing well. She says she prefers to see under 200 but would accept under 250 (throughout the day)
 
Numbers are looking good. Just got a call from the vet. Blood Panel and Fructosamine look good. Have to pick up a copy tomorrow and will start a new thread and post
Actually the fructosamine result does not look good but I knew he was all over the place. The result was 525. Yikes. I am going to hope to keep him at 3 units and do it again in another month or so
 
Yes I know! As per the vet and please tell me if you agree, If Joes numbers are under 250 for 18 hours, but not counting an hour before or an hour after shot, then he is doing well. She says she prefers to see under 200 but would accept under 250 (throughout the day)
Under 250 is generally under the Renal threshold for most cats, meaning the glucose isn't spilling into the urine. The goal however is to get them into normal range for at least part of the day. That's when the pancreas can test and heal. Under 250 is a first step there.
 
Actually the fructosamine result does not look good but I knew he was all over the place. The result was 525. Yikes. I am going to hope to keep him at 3 units and do it again in another month or so
The fructosamine test doesn't really tell you anything you don't already know now that you are home testing. You will know if the numbers are too high or if they are good from your tests. Save your money on the fructosamine test and buy test strips. Lol. You can get it of course of you want.
 
The fructosamine test doesn't really tell you anything you don't already know now that you are home testing. You will know if the numbers are too high or if they are good from your tests. Save your money on the fructosamine test and buy test strips. Lol. You can get it of course of you want.
I see. So I am getting the same info by home testing. I will concentrate on that then.
So funny and cute, Joe is getting used to getting his tuna and fresh chicken bites that I give while testing. So now, all day long he will jump to our testing spot and meow and stare me down. Testing is getting to be a breeze. The hard thing seems to be staying up late enough to get some night BS levels
 
Under 250 is generally under the Renal threshold for most cats, meaning the glucose isn't spilling into the urine. The goal however is to get them into normal range for at least part of the day. That's when the pancreas can test and heal. Under 250 is a first step there.
Janet, you are just such a wealth of information and we thank you, Joe and I, for your help.
 
I see. So I am getting the same info by home testing. I will concentrate on that then.
So funny and cute, Joe is getting used to getting his tuna and fresh chicken bites that I give while testing. So now, all day long he will jump to our testing spot and meow and stare me down. Testing is getting to be a breeze. The hard thing seems to be staying up late enough to get some night BS levels
The fructosamine test is the average over a 2-3 week period. It's good for diagnosing but since you are testing at home you don't need it.
 
I got a 63 reading at +6 today. I did it again to make sure something was not wrong and got a 61. Is this a danger zone or anything?
 
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Joe^^blood panel. Any input greatly appreciated
So obviously glucose is high. Early stage 2 kidney disease. Did the vet talk to you about that? You may consider switching to a food lower in phosphorus to try to delay progression of the kidney disease as long as you can. My CC was diabetic and had cdk, and currently my non diabetic cat Allie has ckd. I fedCC weruva foods that are low in carb and phosphorus. I'm happy to post a list for you. You are going to want to switch him to foods not only low carb but under 1%phosphorus.

The red blood cells are on the low side. You may want to give b12 methylcobalamin supplements to see if that helps it go up.... You don't want to end up fighting anemia.
 
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So obviously glucose is high. Early stage 2 kidney disease. The red blood cells are on the low side. You may want to give b12 methylcobalamin supplements to see if that helps it go up.... You don't want to end up fighting anemia.
I have no idea how to read the blood test. So you got that from it? Early stage 2 kidney disease?? Now I am scared. The vet only said, his kidney values do not look great but they do not look bad for a 14-year-old cat.
Do these supplements have to be for a cat or can I human stuff. Yes, I do want to give it and see if it helps. Edited: This helps the blood cells, I just realized
Can you tell me where you saw that he has this disease, so I know what to watch?
Also any info on what to do to fight the Kidney disease?
 
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I have no idea how to read the blood test. So you got that from it? Early stage 2 kidney disease?? Now I am scared. The vet only said, his kidney values do not look great but they do not look bad for a 14-year-old cat.
Do these supplements have to be for a cat or can I human stuff. Yes, I do want to give it and see if it helps.
Can you tell me where you saw that he has this disease, so I know what to watch?
I added more info about food to my reply above.


So the kidney values you look at are creatnine and bun. Creatnine between 1.6-2.8 is considered stage 2. Don't panic. With some minor changes and a watchful eye they can live quite a while with ckd. Changing to a lower phos food is a good first step. Down the road when he's in stage 3 you can add in sub q fluids, but that's not needed now. Do add water to the food though if he will take it. My Allie has a creatnine of 1.8 right now so about the same as your guy. We put an extra bowl of water on the kitchen table to encourage her to drink more. Unfortunately kidneys are a week spot for cats and ckd in seniors is very common. Here's a link to Tanya's sight about ckd. http://www.felinecrf.org/how_bad_is_it.htm

There are great groups for ckd cats on Facebook. I belong to Cats with Chronic Renal Failure.

You don't have to use pet specific b12 methylcobalamin. There are two types of b12 so look for the one that is b12 methylcobalamin. I used to give cc about 500mcg - 1000 mcg of it a day mixed in with her food because her levels were on the low side. So far Allie doesn't need them.
 
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You are going to want to switch him to foods not only low carb but under 1%phosphorus.
A rescue that I volunteer for gave me a case of Purina NF when Joe first got sick. I have not used it and almost donated it. Now I will feed it to him. It is for kidney function and I will have to check but I think it is low phosphorus.
Joe has two new places for water, both coffee cups, One on the table where we are testing, and another near a place that he sits. I might make a third.
I joined the FB group. I will devour information from there.
I will look into the B12 Methylcobalamin. Going to go check iherb for it. I will give the same amount you give Allie.
Alright, I can be pro-active with this too.
Sort of mad at my et for not be more specific.
thank you Janet
 
A rescue that I volunteer for gave me a case of Purina NF when Joe first got sick. I have not used it and almost donated it. Now I will feed it to him.
No don’t. That food is 27% carb. You done need any prescription food. The prescription kidney diets are for when they are end stage kidney failure. Otherwise it’stoo low in protein and there’s muscle wasting. Plus they are super high in carb which is no good for diabetics.
In in the process of seeing which foods Allie likes best (so far she likes chicken checkmate and paw lickin chicken, laugh out loud, plus some gravy ones that your Joey can’t have).
Here’s a list of good choices that I feed to CC. All are weruva foods. They are very transparent about nutrition information on the weruva website. Look at the DRY matter list for phosphorus info and ME list for carbs. There are more choices than I list here, but this is just what I tried with her.
As I tried new ones I made a list of which ones she enjoyed.
Weruva slide and serve pate foods Family Food (.97 phosphorus and 0 carb). Also Jeopurrdy Chicken (0.97 P 6.1 carb)
What a Crock 0.71 phosphorus and 8 carb lots of gravy so she loved it.
Goody stew shoes 0.71 phosphorus, 8.5 carb. This one was a big hit

Weruva Steak Frites (0.57 phosphorus 5.5 carb although I take out any big pieces of potatoes to try to limit the carbs just a bit)

Weruva LA isla Bonita - phosphorus 0.77 carb 4.5 (used to like, not a favorite anymore)

Glam and punk 1% carb, 0.93 phosphorous.

Weruva paw lickin chicken 3.3 carb 0.82 p and

Press your lunch 5.9 carb. 0.82 phosphorous

Bff play Laugh Out Loud chicken and lamb 7.7 carb, 0.82 phosphorous
BFF play destiny (chicken and duck) 0.87 phosphorus 7.7 carb
Bff play chicken cherish 0.71 phosphorus 7.6 carb
Bff play best buds chicken and beef 7.9 carb 0.9 phosphorus
Bff play chicken Checkmate. 7.7 carb 0.7 phos
On the Cat Wok 3.8 carb 0.74 phos
 
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