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My opinion is you should reduce to 0.5u if it's still in greens at PMPS. Drain the depot a bit then decide if 0.5u is enough.
 
tiffmaxee said:
The 1.0 dose is influencing this cycle. Feed a little hc and test in 30 minutes
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I did and she went back up … just find it fast to keep dropping low … it stresses me I’m scanning her like every 1hr Lolol

wat is dépôt ?
 
Here is a little light reading for you: What is the Insulin Depot?

When Mandy is saying "drain the depot," it's allowing the insulin deposited in the subcutaneous fat to be utilized and deplete itself a little. It can take 6 cycles for a depot to empty, so right now you are still potentially working with a depot from the 1 unit dose you were giving Money that she clearly told you was too much with the drops to low numbers, even though you dropped her dose to .75. Taking the dose once more down to .5 units will further allow the depot to drain. Does this make sense?
 
I agree with Elise. I think it's still the 1U depot at play. I would not reduce yet.
And the Libre sometimes does some odd dips mid-cycle. We saw this with another cat as well and when the CG started testing those dips with a human meter, she found that the human meter read much higher.
 
I think the old higher dose is influencing the bg and you got him up easily. Draining the depot is usually reserved for large doses or if a cat is very hard to get the bg up to normal numbers and stay there but usually then we would just skip a dose.
 
Please always check an odd number either low or high with an ear prick. Those who have used the Libre have gotten low readings that were not low with an ear prick.
 
Even if we were to assume that the Libre reading is correct, it is still the previous depot (1U) affecting this cycle. Back to back reductions often fail.
 
Thx guy I lowered her dose to drain dépôt and she started getting high blues ! Back to 0.75 now ! Hope she will do back down a bit
 
Whenever you get a unusual low in the Libre, just cross-check that with a human meter?
Here's hoping to see her back in green again! :D
 
Are you using the Libre2 sensor? If so, while there can be some IG readings that will be lower vs the human meter or AT2 in the lower ranges, the Libre2 often reads very close to or even the same as the BG (this happens when glucose is not changing and is steady) so it is important to check the reading vs assuming the Libre2 is reading lower. I actually use the AT2 to cross check a low reading & I have had quite a few IG readings in the low 50s and the AT2 was similar which is very important info. Knowing the AT2 reading is that low results in different decision making.

In the past, the Libre prior to the Libre2 did often read lower—sometimes quite a bit lower—vs BG, especially & specifically in the lower ranges. This issue was corrected with the Libre2, so it is important not to assume the reading from your sensor is much lower/aka safe & that it is actually higher if you checked with a BG meter.
 
Whenever I got a low reading on any meter I checked immediately with my backup. Any meter can be off. I did the same with a high that didn’t fit.
 
Tomlin said:
Are you using the Libre2 sensor? If so, while there can be some IG readings that will be lower vs the human meter or AT2 in the lower ranges, the Libre2 often reads very close to or even the same as the BG (this happens when glucose is not changing and is steady) so it is important to check the reading vs assuming the Libre2 is reading lower. I actually use the AT2 to cross check a low reading & I have had quite a few IG readings in the low 50s and the AT2 was similar which is very important info. Knowing the AT2 reading is that low results in different decision making.

In the past, the Libre prior to the Libre2 did often read lower—sometimes quite a bit lower—vs BG, especially & specifically in the lower ranges. This issue was corrected with the Libre2, so it is important not to assume the reading from your sensor is much lower/aka safe & that it is actually higher if you checked with a BG meter.
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I don’t see the link to your spreadsheet. Please include it so we can see what you are doing since you use the Libre it seems.
 
tiffmaxee said:
Whenever I got a low reading on any meter I checked immediately with my backup. Any meter can be off. I did the same with a high that didn’t fit.
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Of course :). This is not about one or the other being off as much as it is about the experience with the Libres. The one that has been used up until the Libre2 was introduced, the IG tended to run much, much lower than the BG at times, even beyond what would be expected due to a timing issue. This was in humans and cats as well. When they created the Libre2, they addressed this issue because it was a problem. It now is much more accurate in the lower ranges :). Unless someone has been using the 2, they may not be aware that there has been this important change.
 
:):bighug:
tiffmaxee said:
I don’t see the link to your spreadsheet. Please include it so we can see what you are doing since you use the Libre it seems.
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I do not use the FDMBs spreadsheet. I use LibreView which actually shares all of our info directly with my Feline DM specialist/Endo who manages T. I just explained what I do pertaining to checks with the Libre2 & the changes with the Libre2 vs any type of dosing question or info so I am perplexed about what you need/want to see exactly :cool:.

Please feel free to PM me so I can try to answer your questions or to help since this is someone’s else’s condo and thread :bighug:!! Don’t want to distract from it :)
 
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Tomlin said:
Of course :). This is not about one or the other being off as much as it is about the experience with the Libres. The one that has been used up until the Libre2 was introduced, the IG tended to run much, much lower than the BG at times, even beyond what would be expected due to a timing issue. This was in humans and cats as well. When they created the Libre2, they addressed this issue because it was a problem. It now is much more accurate in the lower ranges :). Unless someone has been using the 2, they may not be aware that there has been this important change.
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I have stopped using the Libre because of that. Good to know!
 
Marj & Djoko said:
I have stopped using the Libre because of that. Good to know!
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This was a much needed improvement. In fact, I had purchased the Dexcom G6 for this reason but then Libre2 came out and now does a better job than the G6 in the lower ranges. The G6 reads higher while the Libre2 is picking up the low more accurately….which is safer! There is a great video of an endo who, with the help of his staff, had them inject him to push him into hypoglycemia (crazy) in order to know what it feels like (he is not diabetic) & to check the accuracy of 3 different CGMs, including the G6 & the Libre2. He had all three sensors on at once. He actually thought the Libre2 reading was off when it alerted him but sure enough, it picked up the low before he physically felt it. The G6 lagged behind.

I have used the prior Libre that was validated in cats—the one before the 2–and I was so happy and am still amazed by the accuracy. It is awesome that they figured out the issues and fixed them.
 
Tomlin said:
:):bighug:

I do not use the FDMBs spreadsheet. I use LibreView which actually shares all of our info directly with my Feline DM specialist/Endo who manages T. I just explained what I do pertaining to checks with the Libre2 & the changes with the Libre2 vs any type of dosing question or info so I am perplexed about what you need/want to see exactly :cool:.

Please feel free to PM me so I can try to answer your questions or to help since this is someone’s else’s condo and thread :bighug:!! Don’t want to distract from it :)
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There is always a lot we can learn from others’ experiences. That is why we ask members to post a SS even if they don’t ask for dosing advice. As more members use the Libre and Libre2, it becomes even more helpful to see other SSs.

It is especially helpful for anyone who does give advice to post their SS. Personally, I never took the advice of anyone whose kitty’s SS I could not see. It’s why you still see SSs linked for those of us who have lost our babies. Lots of learning there!

Thank you, Amy :bighug:
 
Marje and Gracie said:
There is always a lot we can learn from others’ experiences. That is why we ask members to post a SS even if they don’t ask for dosing advice. As more members use the Libre and Libre2, it becomes even more helpful to see other SSs.

It is especially helpful for anyone who does give advice to post their SS. Personally, I never took the advice of anyone whose kitty’s SS I could not see. It’s why you still see SSs linked for those of us who have lost our babies. Lots of learning there!

Thank you, Amy :bighug:
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I am not sure why information about the Libre2 has become an issue Re: whether or not I have a SS or not. The nice thing is the information I posted is able to be cross checked on the internet & I always encourage people to fact check any/all info because it is good to do regardless :). Having an SS doesn’t support or negate info I just posted about the Libre2 or for that matter, any info I post because I am not giving dosing advice or utilizing the protocols used here—which would not be helpful for members, especially new members, trying to follow them.

Thank you Marje :bighug:. Again, when an issue like this comes up, I would hope & ask to please have the discussion off someone’s condo because it doesn’t seem to be the best or most appropriate place for it.
 
Tomlin said:
Again, when an issue like this comes up, I would hope & ask to please have the discussion off someone’s condo because it doesn’t seem to be the best or most appropriate place for it.
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Yes, of course, we can discuss in a PM but I posted here intentionally because it is very pertinent and appropriate to all members, especially new ones, to understand the importance of a linked SS, regardless of the meter being used.

It is extremely beneficial for seeing different patterns, different reactions to food and doses, etc. regardless of whether there is any dosing advice given or not. If it was only brought up in a PM, members would not understand why a linked SS helps everyone, including very experienced and long-time members (including moderators).

Also, for those of us advising, it gives us additional SSs to which to refer newer members for specific patterns. Sadly, some of our best SS examples are no longer accessible due to Google Sheets changes; we are always on the lookout for SSs to archive for helping new members learn different patterns and reactions.

Thank you so much, Amy, and we can continue this in a PM in a bit. We are still getting back to normal after being gone from home for well over a month.:bighug:
 
Again, I totally understand this thought process if someone is giving the member advice Re: dosing & utilization of the 2 protocols used on this forum.
The idea or thought that a member is not able to provide helpful information pertaining to a device they have used extensively or Re: other topics without having an SS or following the FDMB protocols does not seem to make a lot of sense. This would be the equivalent of me saying that if you can’t show me your LibreView Report from when you used the Libre with your cat any info you share, especially about the Libre, cannot be trusted. I would never say this or think this & again, I always say cross check info because it’s always good to do :).

There is a lot to learn & helpful data from the Libre and it would be nice to see it embraced & some interest in learning about it. That would definitely help members & everyone to be more knowledgeable in order to help people who want to use it :). That would be awesome to see!

I look forward to hearing from you when you have time and are settled back in. Enjoy the weekend!

Amy:bighug:
 
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