9/5 Chico 86@ AMPS

Sienne and Gabby (GA) said:
Chico is not on a huge dose of insulin. The bulk of his numbers are green. A small amount of food may stimulate his pancreas to produce it's own insulin and pull those AMPS numbers down.
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This will be our next experiment should the one we currently do won't work :) i am very curious to see what would it do to him :) thanks for the idea
 
Cherryl & Mouzer said:
LOL I have not put myself out to speak of Mouzer's OTJ Trial. He is not officially in remission until he gets done with 14 full days without insulin, so I wont even say he is in remission until I see this through with him. Just those who have kept up with me know that Mouzer has been on otj trial and I do respond to them when they bring it up, but otherwise, I have kept it pretty quiet, lest I jinx the whole shebang lolol
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so i will be keep it quiet not to jinx it, won't even comment on how is he looking :D good luck :bighug::bighug:

Cherryl & Mouzer said:
What happened is, I saw that Haley kitty was having blues during her OTJ Trial and I saw her being asked if she is feeding +9, not sure if she was asked about +3. But anyhow, I was feeding Mouzer at +3 and +9, and that also meant I needed to feed him between +3 and +9 because of not letting him go more than four hours without food...
And then Mouzer popped up with two pmbg blues in a row, with one at 100 and one at 101, while in his otj trial, so I was thinking about Haley's ordeal and I recall long ago, in 2017, it being said that it can take a kitty three to four hours working the food - or the pancreas working, you know lol I am not all techy talk here haha

So, because I have had Mouzer on otj trial and saw his low blues, I got scared with seeing Haley having to go off otj trial and I did not want this for Mouzer or myself either. I decided to try feeding the +4 and +8 and not feed later than four hours before or after shot times. So far, Mouzer has had no blue. And I have had to feed him at +3, due to his really wanting to eat, but for the most, I am keeping it at +4 and +8 and of course at preshot times.
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We will definitely try this out as soon as we manage to understand what does this old/new dose do to him.

Cherryl & Mouzer said:
If you are not feeding for six hours, it might be best to try to feed, either attempt the +3 and +9 or the +4 and +8, or try them both, but I think you need to give a couple of days, maybe - it could be right away but I would allow a couple of days to observe, is +3 and +9 feeding helping? And if not, try +4 and +8 and see if that helps.

You might be going too long in between by going six hours without food, not allowing his pancreas to have something to work with. I cannot say this is a fact, I am only going by all that I have been reading, looking at, observing and soaking in and just trying what I see people have done or talk about what might could be done.
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Now when you put it that way it does sound like the +3 +9 is a much better schedule than what we have now. For us we are "stuffing" him with food in the beginning of the cycle because that is when he onsets and nadirs :D:D When we will see him a bit more "normal" we will have to try this out.

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Cherryl & Mouzer said:
I am curious, what time of day is Chico's amps and pmps?
I changed Mouzer's time and also the hours in between meals as best as Mouzer allowed, because if Mouzer is hungry, I am not going to make him wait four hours, but if he is fine, I am keeping his feeding at four hour intervals, making sure to wait until +4 and +8 and no food in between am and pm preshot times but not making him go longer than four hours without food.

I did experiment with Mouzer in this, with the time of day for am and pm testing making a difference in mind. I tried a few different time slots, and it did make a difference when it came to Mouzer. When I found the 'good' time for Mouzer, now as I do spot checks during the day, all of his numbers are showing up good numbers. ---With Chico on Lantus, if you experimented with changing time, you do know you can only change the time by either 30 minutes once in a day or 15 minutes twice in a day.

I am thinking perhaps time of day for amps and pmps and feeding schedule work together and if the right time is found for the specific kitty, and all is worked together, feeding accordingly, this could make a difference. Now, this is just me with Mouzer and my own personal experiment, so I cannot say this is a for all cats thing, but it surely is a thing with Mouzer.

Put it this way, what I have figured out, is working for Mouzer, and that is all that matters. And if Mouzer makes it through his 14th day of otj trial and will then be officially in remission, I am going to stick to this feeding schedule as if he were on otj trial, or even on insulin, for his lifetime. I want him to have a good life and I am using this time to see and learn what is good for Mouzer.
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We shoot at 7AM and 7PM, we decided for this because of testing time, to make it more manageable from long term point of view. It is very interesting to learn that the time of shooting made a difference with Mouzer, what time worked better if i can ask? how did you see that it was better?

Cherryl & Mouzer said:
Chico is looking real good, just get rid of those preshot blues, and I cannot tell you how to do it, I cannot tell you what exactly works, but I can tell you what I did with Mouzer and it did work for Mouzer, so if you are like me, you will be up for trying anything, just to see if it will work and as long as there is no danger to sweet, precious kitty ahahahaahaaa
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Thank you for your input, it is very much appreciated :bighug::bighug::bighug: We tried to increase insulin dose to help him with the blue preshots, now we are back at the previous dose and are still assessing the effects :D It is very nice to have the plan for the next experiment should this one not have the expected effect :cat::cat:
 
Thank you for good luck wishes to Mouzer :joyful:

With the +3 and +9 feeding, I did have to feed at around +6 because the duration between +3 and +9 was too long for Mouzer.
With the use of +4 and +8, this seems to be working better all the way around - for Mouzer anyhow.
He is eating every four hours.
The +3 and +9, requiring a feeding in between, meant more food on board and I found it harder to get rid of the blues in between.

It does seem in the evening, he is asking for food at +3 more often, and I do oblige and hope for the best haha
When he does ask for a +3, then I know I have to move his +8 up to at least +7 but I only move time if he does bug for food, if he doesnt, then I leave it with the +8, if he has called for the +3 instead of the +4 lol darn cats bossin me around :joyful:

As for time, Mouzer is on a 5a/5p time for the am/pm pre-tests, and as best as Mouzer will allow, he is on the every four hour feeding. I have not tried 6a/6p because I am awake at 4a, but the 4a/4p and 4:30a/4:30p seemed to be too early for Mouzer and he still had some pre-shot blues, which I have tried 1a/1p and 1:30a/1:30p, 2a/2p and 2:30a/2:30p, 3a/3p and 3:30a/3:30p, 4a/4p and 4:30a/4:30p.

I began trying these when he was on insulin and carried on with my attempts even while not having insulin and he seemed to carry some preshot blues on those times mentioned, which I did give three days for each to see if pre-blues were gone, before moving time.

When I got him to try 5a/5p, all seemed to start coming together, so I stopped there while I was ahead hahaha
Once I found the pre-shot time blues leave, I began testing the feeding times, to work it in and get rid of the blues that would come through the day and night hours. Now, I am trying to keep up spot checks to make sure his numbers stay green during the in between hours, so far this is working.

SO! My mind put together that an individual has better times for their bodies blood glucose and how the body goes up and down and if I could find the right feeding schedule to go with Mouzer's right times of day to help as he goes up where food could stimulate the pancreas and work with bringing it down, then it could work all the way around for the duration of the day, so far this is working.
LOL And THAT was my Master Plan ahahahaahaha

Again, I cannot say this will work for everyone but I decided to share this with you in what I did and how it does seem to work for Mouzer :)

I had read on Dawn Phenomenon Diabetes
The dawn phenomenon, also called the dawn effect, is the term used to describe an abnormal early-morning increase in blood sugar (glucose) — usually between 2 a.m. and 8 a.m. — in people with diabetes.

I do know that we all have times of days (and nights) that our body goes up and down and if the pancreas is stimulated at the right times, we can bring numbers down, so this is where I got the idea to try this with Mouzer.

And good luck with Chico, no matter what will work, we will accept whatever will work!
 
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Cherryl & Mouzer said:
Thank you for good luck wishes to Mouzer :joyful:

With the +3 and +9 feeding, I did have to feed at around +6 because the duration between +3 and +9 was too long for Mouzer.
With the use of +4 and +8, this seems to be working better all the way around - for Mouzer anyhow.
He is eating every four hours.
The +3 and +9, requiring a feeding in between, meant more food on board and I found it harder to get rid of the blues in between.

It does seem in the evening, he is asking for food at +3 more often, and I do oblige and hope for the best haha
When he does ask for a +3, then I know I have to move his +8 up to at least +7 but I only move time if he does bug for food, if he doesnt, then I leave it with the +8, if he has called for the +3 instead of the +4 lol darn cats bossin me around :joyful:

As for time, Mouzer is on a 5a/5p time for the am/pm pre-tests, and as best as Mouzer will allow, he is on the every four hour feeding. I have not tried 6a/6p because I am awake at 4a, but the 4a/4p and 4:30a/4:30p seemed to be too early for Mouzer and he still had some pre-shot blues, which I have tried 1a/1p and 1:30a/1:30p, 2a/2p and 2:30a/2:30p, 3a/3p and 3:30a/3:30p, 4a/4p and 4:30a/4:30p.

I began trying these when he was on insulin and carried on with my attempts even while not having insulin and he seemed to carry some preshot blues on those times mentioned, which I did give three days for each to see if pre-blues were gone, before moving time.

When I got him to try 5a/5p, all seemed to start coming together, so I stopped there while I was ahead hahaha
Once I found the pre-shot time blues leave, I began testing the feeding times, to work it in and get rid of the blues that would come through the day and night hours. Now, I am trying to keep up spot checks to make sure his numbers stay green during the in between hours, so far this is working.

SO! My mind put together that an individual has better times for their bodies blood glucose and how the body goes up and down and if I could find the right feeding schedule to go with Mouzer's right times of day to help as he goes up where food could stimulate the pancreas and work with bringing it down, then it could work all the way around for the duration of the day, so far this is working.
LOL And THAT was my Master Plan ahahahaahaha

Again, I cannot say this will work for everyone but I decided to share this with you in what I did and how it does seem to work for Mouzer :)

I had read on Dawn Phenomenon Diabetes
The dawn phenomenon, also called the dawn effect, is the term used to describe an abnormal early-morning increase in blood sugar (glucose) — usually between 2 a.m. and 8 a.m. — in people with diabetes.

I do know that we all have times of days (and nights) that our body goes up and down and if the pancreas is stimulated at the right times, we can bring numbers down, so this is where I got the idea to try this with Mouzer.

And good luck with Chico, no matter what will work, we will accept whatever will work!
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Thank you Cherryl fo sharing your experience :bighug::bighug: it sounds like you did your homework well :cat: i had some idea about feeding schedule but no idea about the fact that the shooting time might affect their reaction to insulin, definitely something worth considering.
 
Marina & Chico said:
Thank you Cherryl fo sharing your experience :bighug::bighug: it sounds like you did your homework well :cat: i had some idea about feeding schedule but no idea about the fact that the shooting time might affect their reaction to insulin, definitely something worth considering.
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I dont think testing the time impacts the reaction to insulin, but that it is a time where bg is lower and the insulin with a lower bg must get more work done or something hahaha And then feeding time to go with all that, perhaps is how it all works together overall. I was wanting to get rid of the blues and flatten Mouzer out away from those darn things.
I much prefer to control his diabetes with good timing and food, without insulin, so it took working through and finding those times and to get him off of insulin and utilize the timing for control. This timing will be a lifetime thing for Mouzer, so to keep him under control with timing and food without insulin.

And Chico does look like he is on his way to no insulin! And I do hope that very much!!
 
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