Help first home test and 70 mg/dl

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Bron and Sheba said:
You may need to go to the vet and ask him for some cerenia and ondansetron tablets for Rumpy. It is very common for DKA kitties to be off their food when recovering and feel nauseated. It is really important to keep them eating and most DKA kitties will need a bit of help with cerenia and ondansetron to stop nausea and vomiting. I would to the vet tomorrow and ask for some. It can make a big difference. Cats that are nauseated won't eat.
Yes the diarrhoea could be from the changes to the food. You could try mixing in a teaspoon of plain boiled pumpkin into his food.. a couple of times a day....that is good for diarrhoea.. you can cook your own... just pumpkin in water and nothing else, drain and mash. Or you can buy it in cans. I think in the US, but make sure. It is only pumpkin and no additives.
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Having a hard time getting blood, he's fighting me.
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Well done! I know how hard it can be at times. You have really been thrown in the deep end tonight but are doing magnificently!
Put that in the SS as 60@ 7.20
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Thank you, I have shed many tears thus far. I feel terrible having to stick him so many times. I put it in the spread sheet.
 
I think we can do the next test at +8
Can you leave out some food for him to snack on if he wants please?
I think even some dry if that is all he will eat. We want him to be high enough to give insulin in the morning.
Once we get to +10 we will need to take up the food so that he has 2. Hours without food so we can get a true reading for the AMPS insulin. If he drops lower than 50 however we would need to feed him regardless.

This site seem to go offline sometime in the next few hours for a short time. We have just changed daylight saving times here so I am not exactly sure of the time but I think it will be in a couple of hours.....so if I disappear or you can't get online don't panic, it will come back online.. you know what to do if the numbers are low...food and honey and test again in 30 minutes.

MrRumps said:
Thank you, I have shed many tears thus far. I feel terrible having to stick him so many times. I put it in the spread sheet.
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Oh you poor girl...I know how hard it is in the beginning and you have had a sick kitty as well. It does get better and we are really happy to help you in any way we can. Just ask anything you want. I think you have done so well, you have only just started testing tonight and you are already like a pro. And MrRumps has been a champion.
 
Bron and Sheba said:
I think we can do the next test at +8
Can you leave out some food for him to snack on if he wants please?
I think even some dry if that is all he will eat. We want him to be high enough to give insulin in the morning.
Once we get to +10 we will need to take up the food so that he has 2. Hours without food so we can get a true reading for the AMPS insulin. If he drops lower than 50 however we would need to feed him regardless.

This site seem to go offline sometime in the next few hours for a short time. We have just changed daylight saving times here so I am not exactly sure of the time but I think it will be in a couple of hours.....so if I disappear or you can't get online don't panic, it will come back online.. you know what to do if the numbers are low...food and honey and test again in 30 minutes.


Oh you poor girl...I know how hard it is in the beginning and you have had a sick kitty as well. It does get better and we are really happy to help you in any way we can. Just ask anything you want. I think you have done so well, you have only just started testing tonight and you are already like a pro. And MrRumps has been a champion.
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Okay thank you for the heads up about the site! I truly appreciate your help, I would not know what to do right now. Will check again at +8
 
MrRumps said:
Okay thank you for the heads up about the site! I truly appreciate your help, I would not know what to do right now. Will check again at +8
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Really happy to help in any way.
So tomorrow you will need to ...( as long as MrRumps is ok and you can leave him)
  • Go to the vet and ask for some cerenia and ondansetron tablets....don't let them fob you off.
  • Try and get some higher carb food. You will need it in the short term to give to him so you can give an appropriate amount of insulin and later to have some for when he drops low, to bring the BSL up higher. Check out the site I sent you and write a list before you go to the shops......too hard to do once at the shops I found.
  • Test daily for ketones. Anything above a trace needs vet attention.
  • Get some pumpkin to try with the diarrhoea.
 
I have work in 4 hours.
Bron and Sheba said:
Really happy to help in any way.
So tomorrow you will need to ...( as long as MrRumps is ok and you can leave him)
  • Go to the vet and ask for some cerenia and ondansetron tablets....don't let them fob you off.
  • Try and get some higher carb food. You will need it in the short term to give to him so you can give an appropriate amount of insulin and later to have some for when he drops low, to bring the BSL up higher. Check out the site I sent you and write a list before you go to the shops......too hard to do once at the shops I found.
  • Test daily for ketones. Anything above a trace needs vet attention.
  • Get some pumpkin to try with the diarrhoea.
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I have work in 4 hours. :(

I will call my vet and pick up the meds you say. I have cerenia, but thought that was for vomiting.
 
MrRumps said:
I have work in 4 hours.


I have work in 4 hours. :(

I will call my vet and pick up the meds you say. I have cerenia, but thought that was for vomiting.
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Oh my goodness....work in 4 hours!
Cerenia can be given for nausea as well. Ondansetron is good for nausea.
Have you given him any cerenia at all yet?
Are you able to get home to test at all during the day?
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Oh my goodness....work in 4 hours!
Cerenia can be given for nausea as well. Ondansetron is good for nausea.
Have you given him any cerenia at all yet?
Are you able to get home to test at all during the day?
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+8 was 75

I stopped giving him the cerenia once he started eating more.
I can be home by 230p to test
 
MrRumps said:
+8 was 75

I stopped giving him the cerenia once he started eating more.
I can be home by 230p to test
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Looks like he may be on the way back up. Has he eaten at all since the last test?
So you have to basically give him the injection and leave and won't be home for 6 1/2 hours, is that's right?
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Looks like he may be on the way back up. Has he eaten at all since the last test?
So you have to basically give him the injection and leave and won't be home for 6 1/2 hours, is that's right?
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He ate before the +8 test, but not after. Yes, I may be able to have my boyfriend test on his lunch (around +4 or +5)
 
So +9 70. Not much change from 75.
Because you are so exhausted, I would give him a handful of dry now and watch him eat it, then take up the remainder, so that you have the two hour no food window, then have a sleep but put on the alarm
What time do you usually get up beforehand going to work to do Rumpy.?
Hopefully he will start to go up but It is looking like he is going to stay low and he may not be able to have any insulin at AMPS.
But let's wait and see. Skipping is not good withDKA in the picture but if he is too low we can't give him any especially when you won't be there to test..
Have you got a ketone urine test yet?
 
Bron and Sheba said:
So +9 70. Not much change from 75.
Because you are so exhausted, I would give him a handful of dry now and watch him eat it, then take up the remainder, so that you have the two hour no food window, then have a sleep but put on the alarm
What time do you usually get up beforehand going to work to do Rumpy.
Hopefully he will start to go up bit It is looking like he is going to stay low and he may not be able to have any insulin at AMPS.
But let's wait and see. Skipping is not good withDKA in the picture but if he is too low we can't give him any especially when you won't be there to test..
Have you got a ketone urine test yet?
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I usually feed Rumpy by 7:30am and then give him insulin by 7:40am. No, he hasn't gone to the restroom yet.
 
MrRumps said:
Thank you, I have shed many tears thus far. I feel terrible having to stick him so many times. I put it in the spread sheet.
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I see you're staying up all night with your baby too. I'm so sorry. Believe me you can make it through! I have been ridiculously sleep deprived for the past 7 nights now, but it's going to get better for us both if we can push through. It looks like you're doing great!

I try to basically just grab a nap when I can fit one in. Take every sleep opportunity you have, see if your bf can maybe give you a bit of relief for an extra nap here and there! If I can't sleep a full night, my goal is to get one deep cycle a day, which is about a solid 3-4 hours for most people.

I hope he's back up to a decent level soon. Hugs!
 
MrRumps said:
I usually feed Rumpy by 7:30am and then give him insulin by 7:40am. No, he hasn't gone to the restroom yet.
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Ok..so are you happy to give him some dry now then pick up what he doesn't eat, then try and get a bit of sleep before you have to get up again. When you get up, test and post the result and we will be watching.
You have had a pretty traumatic night and you must be exhausted but you and Rumpy have been fabulous!
Sweet dreams!:bighug:
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Ok..so are you happy to give him some dry now then pick up what he doesn't eat, then try and get a bit of sleep before you have to get up again. When you get up, test and post the result and we will be watching.
You have had a pretty traumatic night and you must be exhausted but you and Rumpy have been fabulous!
Sweet dreams!:bighug:
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Unfortunately, he won't eat the dry food now. He seems really tired and keeps nodding off. Should I take the food up now instead? I have a friskies shredded chicken wet food I bought that he kind of nibbled on.
 
Ok good. Well I would take up the food now so you get the 2 hours no food window,
How nice if your boyfriend has been keeping you company.!
Try and get some sleep.
Don't forget to give the cerenia and post the AMPS test.. don't give any insulin without checking with us first please as he may be too low to give any to.
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Ok good. Well I would take up the food now so you get the 2 hours no food window,
How nice if your boyfriend has been keeping you company.!
Try and get some sleep.
Don't forget to give the cerenia and post the AMPS test.. don't give any insulin without checking with us first please as he may be too low to give any to.
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He is snoring asleep now haha. Thank you will try and sleep an hour or so. Do I give the cerenia before food?
 
See if he eats anything first, but I think he is too low for you to give her anything and then leave him for several hours, especially after the lows of the last cycle where we had to feed him to keep him from dropping.
Any ketone urine test yet?
 
Bron and Sheba said:
See if he eats anything first, but I think he is too low for you to give her anything and then leave him for several hours, especially after the lows of the last cycle where we had to feed him to keep him from dropping.
Any ketone urine test yet?
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Just wanting to clarify, you're wanting us to just put his food down and not give him insulin? Should I check his blood 30 minutes after he eats? No ketone test yet, but hopefully soon.
 
MrRumps said:
Just wanting to clarify, you're wanting us to just put his food down and not give him insulin? Should I check his blood 30 minutes after he eats? No ketone test yet, but hopefully soon.
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Any test after feeding will be food influenced at this point so we need to go with the 126 unless you are able to stall and not feed for 20 minutes and then see how high it will go.
As you can't stay with him to test during the morning, it is too risky to give insulin unfortunately.. once you have more data you will be able to shoot lower numbers.
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Any test after feeding will be food influenced at this point so we need to go with the 126 unless you are able to stall and not feed for 20 minutes and then see how high it will go.
As you can't stay with him to test during the morning, it is too risky to give insulin unfortunately.. once you have more data you will be able to shoot lower numbers.
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Thank you, Rumpy is still being apprehensive towards his Tiki Cat Chicken, he's eating a little while I type this and I have taken the day off to help monitor him. Any suggestions now? Should I give him insulin since I'll be home? I'm running to the store real quick to try and find another higher carb 10-15% for him.
 
MrRumps said:
Thank you, Rumpy is still being apprehensive towards his Tiki Cat Chicken, he's eating a little while I type this and I have taken the day off to help monitor him. Any suggestions now? Should I give him insulin since I'll be home? I'm running to the store real quick to try and find another low carb for him.
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Aren't you going to go to work today now?
 
Sorry I can see you have said you are taking the day off work. My bad....time for my bed!
While at the shop try and get some higher carb food while you are there. Ones with gravy, rice or starch in them.
Ok if you are going to be home to test then I think you could give some insulin.....but I think I would go with a smaller dose just for this cycle because of the low preshot and the fact we have to think of the DKA.
You may need help during the day to keep the numbers up but I won't be here sorry but I am sure others will. Just ask for help. You can always use the 911 sign that is on the subject line if urgent.
Make sure you get some higher carb food at the shops!
I think I would go with 0.5 units because of the low preshot and lack of appetite. And I would feed him higher carb food not the low carb food during this cycle.
Hopefully the cerenia will kick in and help with appetite.
Post the ketone result when you get one please.
 
Bron and Sheba said:
Sorry I can see you have said you are taking the day off work. My bad....time for my bed!
While at the shop try and get some higher carb food while you are there. Ones with gravy, rice or starch in them.
Ok if you are going to be home to test then I think you could give some insulin.....but I think I would go with a smaller dose just for this cycle because of the low preshot and the fact we have to think of the DKA.
You may need help during the day to keep the numbers up but I won't be here sorry but I am sure others will. Just ask for help. You can always use the 911 sign that is on the subject line if urgent.
Make sure you get some higher carb food at the shops!
I think I would go with 0.5 units because of the low preshot and lack of appetite. And I would feed him higher carb food not the low carb food during this cycle.
Hopefully the cerenia will kick in and help with appetite.
Post the ketone result when you get one please.
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Higher carb foods with 10-15% or higher than that? Thank you for all the help.
 
Bron and Sheba said:
What do you mean?
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I have not given insulin yet because he stopped eating and hid under my bed. I am unsure if I should wait to give him insulin until I get a higher carb wet food and see if he eats it. Or should I give him the 0.5 shot now regardless of how much he ate.
 
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