? PM pre-shot: 134/163. No shot or reduced?

Natalie and Ziggy

Natalie and Ziggy

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Hi everyone, just a quick question. I just took Ziggy’s PM pre-shot test and it came out to 134. I waited 20 minutes and it’s risen to 163. He’s hovered around the low 200s and high 100s today after getting a 3.25U shot this AM (he was at 246).

Should I hold off on the shot, or give a reduced dose? If I know Ziggy, he’ll probably start rising throughout the night and end up in the 400s this morning, but I don’t want to risk a hypo.

Any thoughts? By default I’ll hold off if no responses. Thanks!
 
Can you monitor tonight and have plenty of test strips and higher carb food should you need to steer? If yes, I would shoot and get a +1 and +2 since this is the lowest you have shot.
 
Thank you for the advice! I went ahead and gave him his shot, although I’m not sure if all of it went in. These smaller needles are so tricky. I can’t monitor throughout the night, but I can get in a few tests.
 
Natalie and Ziggy said:
+1 came back with 258.

I guess it was a fur shot after all. :(

But I will keep this dosing advice for next time!
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You can't say for sure that it was a fur shot (though it could be). This is actually the first +1 that you have posted, and it could be elevated from food. If he gets that much of a food bump, that's very good to know!
It's a good idea to grab a +2 as well, since that will give you a better idea where this cycle is going.
 
So his PM +2 is 306.

Anyway, I’m glad he’s finally started showing some blues! He used to show blues on occasion when he was on Vetsulin, but I feel better now that he’s on Lantus.
 
Hopefully he doesn't skyrocket too much for you tonight! He may be bouncing since he's not used to those blues.
 
Just my two cents... with my muffin before she went OTJ, I would always insert the needle into her all the way before even putting my thumb on the injection thing to shoot it in her (it helped me avoid fur injections because I did give her a few.)
 
Hey there, I hung around a bit after I posted to see if you were going to shoot and need help.

The big jump up to +1 isn't necessarily a FS. It was probably a combo of bouncing from being in blues for the first time in a while and a food bump. It would be a good idea if you could get some more +1s to know just how much of a food bump does Ziggy get. That info will come in handy for you later.

Also, whenever you get a lower than usual number and you decide to shoot make sure that you can monitor that night or don't shoot. As it turned out this time he bounced up and you didn't have to worry about it.

It looks like you shot late. Your original post was time stamp at 8pm EST. At 9:30 EST you said the +1 was in 1/2 hour so, it appears you shot 1 hour late? If that is the case for your SS to correct, you would put in the PMPS cell along all test numbers you got @+13. That would let everyone and yourself know that the shot was 1 hour late.

Nice that he is finally seeing some blues again!

Have you decided if you are following TR or SLGS?

ETA : to add IN a While
 
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Bobbie And Bubba said:
Hey there, I hung around a bit after I posted to see if you were going to shoot and need help.

The big jump up to +1 isn't necessarily a FS. It was probably a combo of bouncing from being in blues for the first time in a while and a food bump. It would be a good idea if you could get some more +1s to know just how much of a food bump does Ziggy get. That info will come in handy for you later.

Also, whenever you get a lower than usual number and you decide to shoot make sure that you can monitor that night or don't shoot. As it turned out this time he bounced up and you didn't have to worry about it.

It looks like you shot late. Your original post was time stamp at 8pm EST. At 9:30 EST you said the +1 was in 1/2 hour so, it appears you shot 1 hour late? If that is the case for your SS to correct, you would put in the PMPS cell along all test numbers you got @+13. That would let everyone and yourself know that the shot was 1 hour late.

Nice that he is finally seeing some blues again!

Have you decided if you are following TR or SLGS?

ETA : to add IN a While
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I’m going to follow the SLGS method. Thank you for your explanation — I’ll fix up my SS when I get a chance.

Love seeing the blues. He was in the upper 100s last night and I gave him his full regular dose, and his numbers were great throughout the night. Was hoping to have a repeat of that tonight, but we had yet another furshot instead (seriously, I made sure it went in completely, took my time like always, and gently pulled it back out. Wet fur anyway.)
 
Natalie and Ziggy said:
I made sure it went in completely, took my time like always, and gently pulled it back out. Wet fur anyway.)
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ugh, I know the pain of FS all too well. I just recently went through a rash of them and I am not new to this dance! Check your positioning of the needle into the skin. Is it at a 30 degree angle? Also, I switched to a 6mm needle length. And, I switched to the roll method which also proved better for me.
 
Now he’s at 137 / 119 this morning and I need to leave for work in half an hour! I’m wondering if I should give him the full dose or a reduced one? I have a big get-together for staff this morning, but if necessary I can work from home this morning to monitor Ziggy after his shot. Advice?
 
If you are going to be able to monitor him today because you are going to be at home then I would go ahead and shoot. On SLGS ultimately you want to learn to be able to shoot anything over 90, and if you can monitor today this will be a good learning experience for what will work for your guy.
You would want to start by getting a +1 and a +2.
You may need to steer him with higher carb food at +1 and +2 to encourage him to surf.
So if you have plenty of supplies I would go ahead and shoot.
 
Awesome, thank you for the quick advice. Thankfully my coworkers are so understanding and are perfectly fine with me staying home to monitor him.
 
Natalie and Ziggy said:
Awesome, thank you for the quick advice. Thankfully my coworkers are so understanding and are perfectly fine with me staying home to monitor him.
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The initial guidelines for SLGS are to not shoot below 150, but you have quite a bit of data there as you test more than we often see on SLGS, and you and Ziggy have been doing this FD dance for almost a year now (even though Lantus is newer to you) in fact once you become more used to Lantus you do test enough to follow TR should you wish to.
eta you may want to look at the post on doing TR with a full time job
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/is-tight-regulation-possible-with-a-full-time-job-yes.129378/

This is why in your case I suggested shooting, with less data my suggestion would have been to skip. He seems to be doing well on this dose.
I'll pop in to see how you are doing at +1.
 
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Looks like at the very least that's the end of duration of his last shot.
A bit of a food bump and he may also be bouncing.
Since the shot you just gave him will not have onset yet, I would get a +2 (round about onset) and see if it brings him back down.

See you at +2
 
Natalie and Ziggy said:
217 for +2
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Interesting, he's not confirming or denying a bounce yet, it could go either way depending on where his onset is.

Since you haven't run a curve ( and on SLGS you should be running a curve once a week to help you decide on the dose) how do you feel about starting to run one today? Seeing as you ar home.
You could start with a +4 then if he has dropped, a +6 (unless he's so low that you need to test earlier). If he's gone up or is flat and yellow then I would call the curve off, because that would indicate that he is bouncing and the info you would get from running a curve on a day when he is bouncing wouldn't be helpful to help you decide on dose.

Does that make sense?
 
That makes sense! I took a +4 and got 272, and a +6 and got 297. He seems to have bounced from this morning.

Sorry for the brief updates — I can only access this site on mobile today.
 
And now Ziggy's at 98! I had increased his dose yesterday evening from 3.25U to 3.5U. I waited 20 minutes just now and tested again. Now he's at 110 and eating.

Wondering if I should shoot?
 
While we are waiting for the +1, a little housekeeping: Each day, post a new thread with Ziggy's name, date and AMPS. That way each thread won't get too crazy long and it's easier for dose advisers to get through the post and answer the pertinent question. Just finish tonight on this one tonight and start a new one tomorrow.



Tomorrow's thread: Ziggy, date, AMPS = XXX
 
Ziggy's +1 test comes out to 132.

I can create a new thread every day if that will be helpful. I'm not sure I'll have a lot of time to do a write-up with every new thread, but I'll just post what his test came out to (and how he's acting, if applicable).
 
So we are on the rise. If you can get another test before you go to bed or if you get up to go to the bathroom tonight ( you are young so that won't happen , LOL unless you have had a few children...) I think he is on the rise from that nice green. Good job shooting your first green!

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Natalie and Ziggy said:
I'm not worthy...

lol, thank you for your help! I will do my best to keep track of Ziggy tonight!
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You are worthy, Natalie and doing a great job with Ziggy! ( love the name, loved David Bowie, do you know who he was, LOL ? )

On second thought, the +1 could have been a food bump. Get a +2 and if it's the same as the +1 or higher, call it a night.
 
Natalie and Ziggy said:
Yep! Love David Bowie. I first saw him in the 80's movie Labyrinth. Ziggy was named after him.
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I saw David Bowie in 1973 during the Ziggy Stardust tour. I had 3rd row seats at the Tower in Philadelphia. The best concert ever!! I was so close that I could see glitter around his cuticles on his toes. That was during his androgynous period. My BFF's dog, a Pomeranian, is name Bowie.
 
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+2 came out to 113.
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He is likely to be on the upswing. The +1 was probably a food bump, the +2 is about the same as the preshot, so can you get another test at +3. If he is on the rise you can call it a night. Otherwise, some more testing will be required to keep him safe. I will check back at 11:30 EST.
 
Ziggy is holding steady at 112 at +3.

Must have been awesome to see Bowie during the Ziggy Stardust tour! Really a magical moment in music history. My dad's always been a huge fan and I think he got to see him live, too.
 
Natalie and Ziggy said:
Ziggy is holding steady at 112 at +3.

Must have been awesome to see Bowie during the Ziggy Stardust tour! Really a magical moment in music history. My dad's always been a huge fan and I think he got to see him live, too.
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Yes, it was quite magical!

Nice that Ziggy is holding steady. I would probably give him a little LC snack and call it a night.
 
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