Pig 1/30 amps 391; +1 428; +3 363; +4 356; +5 311; +8 309; pmps 345 (?) New Food Reaction (?)

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Well, Pig has been trying out the reds lately. Apparently, he has decided that pink is not a good color for boys. Ugh. Here is to another tango!

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So, I am curious. It would seem that these higher numbers coincide with a change in food. I recently ordered and started feeding the Weruva Fowl Ball. Now, I picked it because according to Dr. Lisa's food chart it was low carb, low phosphorus. There should be no reason why the food would be increasing his glucose. Unless... I recently pulled him off of the Chicken Sheba Pate because he had gotten to where he really did not want to eat it and he was acting even more off than normal after meals. I put him onto the Beef Sheba Pate and saw good results. His numbers went back down from reds to pinks, his appetite increased, and he was feeling loads better. I assumed it was the addition of the R to the regime. However, then we went back to chicken and almost immediately started seeing awful numbers with increased lethargy. I am wondering if it is possible if he is having a gastrointestinal reaction to the chicken... Think IBD and unique proteins.. Is it possible for a common protein to build upon its inflammatory reaction? I am very curious and am trying a beef pate again to see if there is a change. I will know with the next cycle (or even this one) numbers. Raw should be here shortly. Finding the right food is proving challenge and my cupboards look like a small cat grocery... :eek::joyful:

On that note, the little squirmy guy moved on the R shot again and it might have been a partial fur...
 
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Jones eats the Fowl Ball - no issues with his numbers. His CKD civvie sister also eats it as low in phosphorus.

That said, I have noticed some foods with the same % of carb have totally different reactions on the BG's. Not all carbs are created equal!

Jones was diagnosed with IBD and some foods are definitely more inflammatory then others. Fowl seem ok but too much duck isn't. No tuna or anything that tries to resemble dairy! Beef, was a no go. He likes pork/wild boar and that seems to be ok for the IBD.
 
Tracey&Jones said:
That said, I have noticed some foods with the same % of carb have totally different reactions on the BG's. Not all carbs are created equal!
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Yes... That was exactly what I was thinking. In fact, he seems to be feeling a lot better just from the move to Sheba. I am wondering if the Chicken was causing a bit of a reaction in his belly and I was seeing pain inflated numbers. Of course, it could have been something else in the food as well. You are right! Not all carbs are created equal and ECID!

Tracey&Jones said:
Fowl seem ok but too much duck isn't. No tuna or anything that tries to resemble dairy! Beef, was a no go.
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See, he seemed to do great on the Sardine's from Tiki Cat. The only problem was how high in phosphorus they were. He even had a formed poo! The beef sits well with him... It really is a cat by cat basis... lol. We have not tried wild boar, but maybe that is something to look into. Where do you get yours?
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Some kitties do better with a bit higher carbs than too low. Below is a link from a past thread that is found in Where Do I Find section of The Basics Start Here.
Reading through the thread you will see that Dr. Lisa Pierson weighed in on the subject.


https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/fdlibrary/low-carb-vs-lower-carb-t18.html#.VGZnufnF-Sp
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Yes... I have read that. I am trying to work my way through all the info on feeding and acro. Thank you for this link! I will be reading it very shortly! Now, according to the chart, the Fowl Ball was actually a percentage higher in carbs than the Sheba Pate, but I did not think it would matter because no carb is not necessarily better than some carb, correct?
 
Tracey&Jones said:
I just have the freeze dried treats, I haven't been able to find it in a canned food. Tried raw wild boar, he ate a bit of it but doesn't like raw, but no stomach issues then.





So true!
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Well, I will say that he is already having a better day. His numbers are lower today than they have been the past couple of days and he seems to be more comfortable, stretching out more and more... It would appear that there was something in that particular food that did not agree with him. I will keep watch to see if it is merely coincidental or not...
 
Poultry is also a common protein to have reactions to, so it could just be that. If he does better on a different protein, I’d stay away from the poultry if you can. There are enough protein varieties, of course, your options get more limited with low carb/low p in the picture. :p

I think there are several here who feed novel proteins and some are low p as well. Can’t think of exactly who off the top of my head, but if I come across them again, I will tag them in your condo.
 
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Stacy & Asia said:
I’d stay away from the poultry if you can
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Yup.. Those were my thoughts precisely. I am looking at the Weruva La Isla Bonita as it is very low carb / phos. However, it is Mackerel and Shrimp and I have always heard that the larger, predatory fish such as Mackerel were very high in phos. I think this is in part of the bones that are typically left in the food. However, Dr. Lisa's chart says it is fine and I will try it, but his RadCat Raw should be here shortly and I feel as if that is the best move for him.
 
LuvinThisPig said:
Yup.. Those were my thoughts precisely. I am looking at the Weruva La Isla Bonita as it is very low carb / phos. However, it is Mackerel and Shrimp and I have always heard that the larger, predatory fish such as Mackerel were very high in phos. I think this is in part of the bones that are typically left in the food. However, Dr. Lisa's chart says it is fine and I will try it, but his RadCat Raw should be here shortly and I feel as if that is the best move for him.
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There’s something about fish/seafood and CKD, I wish I had something more for you than it’s on my no list, it could be the phos? It was some years ago that I did most of the research and I decided yes to this and no to that, and no seafood or fish for Asia, but I don’t remember the reasons. :banghead: I don’t think it will be a big deal to try it though, especially if it’s a green light on Dr Lisa’s. If I figure it out, I will let you know, but it could have been based on discussions with my vet at the time, she told me not all proteins are created equal in terms of CKD.

LuvinThisPig said:
Actually, it was your Asia that helped me make that decision. Kibble free since 13!? Amazing! Just goes to show what a good diet can really do!
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I wish I knew better, sooner, but you do the best you can, I think Asia had a huge turnaround when we switched to raw when she was 13, more active, great coat, she really was like a kitten again. I hope you see some great things with Pig making the food switch too! I also hope he likes and will eat it, it was a process to get Asia to go raw, let me tell you! :rolleyes:

Civvie Toki is 8 years old, only ever eaten raw food and the vet was amazed at how great her teeth looked yesterday! We don’t brush them and she’s never had a dental, so I can only conclude her diet had a lot to do with that.
 
Stacy & Asia said:
but it could have been based on discussions with my vet at the time, she told me not all proteins are created equal in terms of CKD.
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Yes... and this is what I am concerned about. I ordered some Beef, Lamb, and Venison from RadCat and am hoping those do very well. I was nervous about chicken and turkey, so stayed away from those altogether. I have a feeling he will like raw. He use to get barely cooked steaks back when I could afford them and he would almost climb in the pan to get them!! Lol!
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Seafood can be an allergic food also to a lot of kitties.
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Yes... This I have read as well. I was very careful giving any seafood to the boys. I have not seen a reaction, but I suppose allergies can develop. Now, Mackerel would be a new one.. So, maybe not such a good idea. We can always stick with the Beef Sheba for now until his raw gets here... It is a bit higher phos, though, so it concerns me...
 
Fish, especially oily fish (tuna, mackerel, salmon(?)) can have mercury also.

Gizmo's primary food is Fowl Ball. Soulistc has a few low carb/low phos. Check the "food" tab on Gizmo's spreadsheet. I do not feed fish based except to mix in Canna and it is tiny teaspoon sized treat with the Canna mixed in and then only on occation.
 
LizzieInTexas said:
Fish, especially oily fish (tuna, mackerel, salmon(?)) can have mercury also.

Gizmo's primary food is Fowl Ball. Soulistc has a few low carb/low phos. Check the "food" tab on Gizmo's spreadsheet. I do not feed fish based except to mix in Canna and it is tiny teaspoon sized treat with the Canna mixed in and then only on occation.
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I will do that! Thank you! It would seem that the chicken is at least a part of it... He has greatly improved just in one cycle.
 
LuvinThisPig said:
It would seem that the chicken is at least a part of it.
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It could be... or not :D. It could just be the change in foods. It could have upset his tummy (who knows). Try and transition to new foods slower. Mix a little of the new food with the old until you are using the new food (just a suggestion).

Tiki has a Carnivor line of food but they are $$ and are zero carb but you can mix in higher carb food to make a 4-7% carb. It is just finding a mixture that Pig will like and give you decent numbers.
 
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Try and transition to new foods slower. Mix a little of the new food with the old until you are using the new food (just a suggestion).
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And on that you are totally correct. I did start the transition slowly, but maybe not slow enough. He had only been off the Sheba for a few days, so I figured that it was safe to go back. Your right. It could have been anything.

I did have him on the Tiki, but I just can't really afford that. Of course, I am looking at shipping raw, so either way its big $... Lol. But, my thing is this, if it helps him then its worth it, right?
 
Last night from +1 to +2 he saw a 55 point drop. That could have been enough to freak his body out. Bounces can be from either lower numbers they are used to, or fast drops. Of course, an upset tummy can do it too.
LuvinThisPig said:
but I did not think it would matter because no carb is not necessarily better than some carb, correct?
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Correct, especially with an acrocat and potentially working pancreases. Some cats are more carb sensitive than others. Plus, lot to lot, batch to batch, there can be variability in manufacturing in carbs with any food. A 2% food might be anywhere from 1-3% in any particular can. And with Pig still in pinks (mostly), it's too difficult to see how different carb foods will impact. Wait until he's seeing blues, then experiment.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Wait until he's seeing blues, then experiment.
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This I can do! For now, though, I want to find a food that agrees with him, his tummy, his pancreas, and my wallet... Lol. Hey, anything is possible, right? It is really looking like raw is the way to go. Of course, with Pig you never really know anything for sure... :rolleyes:
 
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