01/25 Boomer AMPS 140 +3 121 +6 72 PMPS 104 +3 70

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Judy and Boomer

Judy and Boomer

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AMPS 140 shooting 1.75u
So Boomer's AMPS isn't as high today as I thought it might be. He seemed to have a pattern where his AMPS was high two days after spending a few hours in green.....his version of a bounce I guess.
I wish I could get him into more greens! His nadir is low enough that I feel I don't have a lot of wiggle room to increase his dose (it would just be a bit of fat added) although I may have to try it. Wondering whether changing the timing of the meals would help at all?

Last night I asked Boomer nicely to please let me sleep. I think he heard "please keep me awake" :rolleyes: He got me up at 2:09, I looked at his dish, told him to finish his fuds (there was just a tiny bit left) and went btb and couldn't get back to sleep. And then he woke us at 5:00. Cried and cried and I tried to ignore him and I tried calling him and ended up getting up, told him his fuds were "all gone" and went btb. sigh. This has to stop.

Today I was planning on checking out where the Horned Owls nest each year but I may put that off until Sunday when it's supposed to be a bit warmer/sunnier. Tomorrow is supposed to be mild/sunny and I'm hoping for a walk.
 
Sorry Boomer kept waking you up. I hope you can get a nap in today. I think I'd try changing his meals first before you try fattening the dose. I hope Boomer slides down and surfs today.
 
I've never been good with playing around with food timing, but I'm sure others could offer ideas if you want to include it in your subject line.

Boomer is predictable in the middle of the night, if nothing else....it's a good thing he's so cute!
 
Judy and Boomer said:
He's really not very cute at 2:00 am and 5:00 am :mad::rolleyes:
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It's much cuter from our vantage point than yours. Aww, his soulful cries and sad kitty-cat eyes. He's just trying to get what he wants (although we have no idea what that is :confused:). Bet you're ready to wring his cute little neck at those hours... ;):p I kid, but really, I'm right there with you thinking, "THIS CAT...!"
 
What I can tell you is that fasting them after midnight is a surefire way to get a green preshot, though I don't recommend it! ;)

Maybe try changing the overnight foods to an hour earlier for a week or so and see if it makes a difference in his numbers and the times he wakes you up? I don't know anything more concrete to suggest other than playing around with it and see what happens. I switched Asia's overnight foods to 2 larger meals instead of 4 smaller ones, and I think it helped a little, but with all the things she has going on at the moment,I haven't been able to consistently tell as her cycles have been irregular recently.

I hope you find something that works for the lower numbers and the night whinging! :bighug:
 
Stacy & Asia said:
Maybe try changing the overnight foods to an hour earlier for a week or so and see if it makes a difference
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I have been thinking of moving his +6 to +5 but not sure if that might give him more duration or possibly do the opposite! It could possibly break him of the 2:00 wake up call habit as well (although it could just change to 1:00 :rolleyes:)
 
I guess the only way to determine what works is to experiment. But wow, that's hard on you and maybe bewildering for Boomer. Cats like their routines and so it is disconcerting when they take it into their heads to change them. Could there be something in your house that now goes off or on at 2 A.M. and wakes him? Maybe your furnace? Hot water heater? Your computer downloading in the background? One of your neighbors on a new schedule and turning their lights on?
The food thing is beyond me!

Enjoy your walk today, Judy (and your afternoon nap!)
 
Ella & Rusty & Stu(GA) said:
I guess the only way to determine what works is to experiment. But wow, that's hard on you and maybe bewildering for Boomer. Cats like their routines and so it is disconcerting when they take it into their heads to change them. Could there be something in your house that now goes off or on at 2 A.M. and wakes him? Maybe your furnace? Hot water heater? Your computer downloading in the background? One of your neighbors on a new schedule and turning their lights on?
The food thing is beyond me!

Enjoy your walk today, Judy (and your afternoon nap!)
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His auto feeder opens at 2:00. Usually he eats pretty much everything in the dish, then calls me. So it's not like he doesn't like the food he's been given.....because he eats before he calls me. Same thing with there 5:00 occasional call....his auto feeder has opened and he's eaten.
So I'm looking for ideas on how to prolong the insulin AND how to get him to stop waking us.
 
Judy and Boomer said:
His auto feeder opens at 2:00. Usually he eats pretty much everything in the dish, then calls me. So it's not like he doesn't like the food he's been given.....because he eats before he calls me. Same thing with there 5:00 occasional call....his auto feeder has opened and he's eaten.
So I'm looking for ideas on how to prolong the insulin AND how to get him to stop waking us.
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Maybe he's calling you to thank you! :cat:
 
Some more thoughts.....
I know that a food bump occurs about an hour after his meal. The bump lasts for about an hour and then he starts to come back down. So I feed him at +3, his levels are higher or even at +4, and at +5 he starts to head down. When he eats at +6 his food bump would last until about +8 and by that time the insulin effect has waned and he doesn't come back down.

So....if I feed him at +3 like usual and then at+5 instead of +6? My first thought is that he might not eat as much at +5 because he ate 2 hours prior or he won't last until +9 without waking us because he's hungry. My second thought....he would have a food bump until about +7 so potentially the insulin could still bring him down. Or the +5 food stops the insulin from working and he ends up even higher than he is now.

Next thought.....There have been occasions when he's been a bit lower than usual at +3 as I'm heading to bed and I've left him with a plate of food along with his normal auto feeder meals...and he has been a bit better about not waking us up. That plate of food usually has a wee bit of higher carb ff added to it which he really likes so of course he devours it immediately (all or most of it). He really doesn't need the extra calories but maybe allowing him the extra plate of food would satisfy him so he doesn't wake us. And at least he eats it early when the insulin is at its strongest and can counteract the carbs. This might help with the wake up calls but really doesn't address the higher BG. sigh
 
I used to feed Max his last mini meal by midnight. He ate at preshot, +2 and then depending on numbers until nadir. I didn’t feed much if any idea the second half of the cycle. Boomer is trained to eat the late times and it’s hard to change that. But “maybe” if he eats more by midnight he won’t get up for those snacks. I feed my young ones three meals and they won’t let me cut out that afternoon snack so good luck. They are creatures of habit, lol.
 
tiffmaxee said:
I used to feed Max his last mini meal by midnight. He ate at preshot, +2 and then depending on numbers until nadir. I didn’t feed much if any idea the second half of the cycle. Boomer is trained to eat the late times and it’s hard to change that. But “maybe” if he eats more by midnight he won’t get up for those snacks. I feed my young ones three meals and they won’t let me cut out that afternoon snack so good luck. They are creatures of habit, lol.
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I definitely want Boomer to be eating around +5 or +6 when his levels are at their lowest and it would be great if he would give up the +9 but I don't think it will happen. But like you said, potentially if he gets more calories in the first half of the cycle he won't care so much about the +9 meal.
 
Judy and Boomer said:
wish I could get him into more greens! His nadir is low enough that I feel I don't have a lot of wiggle room to increase his dose (it would just be a bit of fat added) although I may have to try it.
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Boomer is getting the odd good nadir, but the majority of his time is not in green. I would increase. It might just be enough to get him kickstarted.

Neko got a good meal before we went to bed, and that was it. At this point Boomer has you well trained. It's gonna take some tough love and a closed door to get him to stop wanting to wake you up. Do you have a spare bed room you can sleep in?
 
Judy and Boomer said:
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Last night I asked Boomer nicely to please let me sleep. I think he heard "please keep me awake" :rolleyes: He got me up at 2:09, I looked at his dish, told him to finish his fuds (there was just a tiny bit left) and went btb and couldn't get back to sleep. And then he woke us at 5:00. Cried and cried and I tried to ignore him and I tried calling him and ended up getting up, told him his fuds were "all gone" and went btb. sigh. This has to stop.
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This sounds exactly like TiTi, before she got her feeder. NO sleep! Now I fill up the feeder's 5 compartments so that over the night she gets 5 separate meals, from midnight to 5am (her last meal before AMPS). That worked. Now the only time she sometimes yowls is a bit after midnight, because she's already wolfed down her midnight food and needs more. I give her a tablespoon more, and I get a full night's sleep.

You might want to try it.
 
So I think what I'll do is, tonight at +3, give Boomer some extra food. Haven't decided yet whether it will be mixed in with his normal auto feeder +3 or whether I'll give it on a plate. He seems to like food better from a plate but then I lose control as to when he eats it and he could eat it right up until whenever DH and I get up which is usually about +11 which would cause a food bump at AMPS.
 
Judy and Boomer said:
at what point in her cycle was this?
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Usually around +3 was the last meal. But Neko was on Levemir, so that was still before her onset. Course, I did the same thing when she was on Lantus - and even before FD. Old habits die hard. :cat:

I wouldn't worry too much about Boomer eating up until his preshot. The warning for not feeding for two hours before preshot is for newbies. Once you have a good idea how much food bumps him up, you can take that into consideration when you see a low preshot and are deciding if it's safe to shoot.
 
Now if his AMPS is similar to his PMPS I'll be happy! PMPS 104 shooting 1.75u
Interestingly enough he ate only about 3/4 of his +9 fuds
Experimenting with fuds tonight. Normal PMPS meal, normal +3 meal, will give extra food after he eats his +3. Slightly smaller +6 and with more chicken pieces less chicken pate. Slightly smaller +9 mostly chicken pieces with a wee bit of ff
 
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