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At midnight Oreo got away from a feeding and went to the fountain and drank several long drinks. As you see on spread sheet he had gone from 181 to 256 before I went to bed. This morning at AMPS he is 356.4. Yesterday when he was so high I gave 1½U and he was a mess. The vet had said at his weight 14 pounds 15 ounces 1½ was his dose. I read about bouncing by changing amounts to fast but at 356.4 do I still only give 1U? I want to try 1½ - Feeding will be easier I found if I puree the food long enough I can draw it up in my only 3 cc syringe. I am going to assist again, testing and then will check back in a few minutes.

Checked again and It was up to 379.8 so gave him 1½. If this was wrong I will know for future use.
 
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Yes, based on the numbers on your spreadsheet, 1.5u should be fine. As Janet said, B12 can be ordered from Amazon if it isn't available near you, though I believe B12 was available at Pharmacy when I was in Uppsala a few years back so you may just need to contact your primary care doctor or the pharmacist to find out how you can access the methylcobalamin version near wherever you live.
 
Really? That's surprising. You can buy vitamins anywhere here. Pharmacies, online, grocery stores, even stores with just vitamins. Can you ask your dr to perscribe them and get it that way? Or order from Canada?
When I asked the health store they said no and then I asked the Dr and he said that wasn't used and the next time I took my cat in I asked the vet. Nothing, but Djamila said there was and I found 2 places that have it. Swedish online vitamins - They come in lemon tablets to suck and the other is swallow. I should remember to check for things after a time. This quest for them was a few years back. Thanks.
 
How is your kitty this AM? Eating? Peeing? If you don't mind, removing the red 911 from your thread title is a good idea. We all have a panic attack when we see those. You now have a good discussion going here with people to help. :)
 
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Yes, based on the numbers on your spreadsheet, 1.5u should be fine. As Janet said, B12 can be ordered from Amazon if it isn't available near you, though I believe B12 was available at Pharmacy when I was in Uppsala a few years back so you may just need to contact your primary care doctor or the pharmacist to find out how you can access the methylcobalamin version near wherever you live.
A few years back I tried everywhere as I posted to Djamila but I see now that I should check again after not finding it. I sure hope it helps me! I had neuropathy 2½ years before I became diabetic.
You will never believe this but I just gave Oreo 15 cc of pureed food and he came to lay on my lap and sat staring at his treat container. I put 2 down in front of him and he ATE both. His Glucose has dropped ½ from this AM - he is 190.8!!!!!
It seems when I go back to 1 at bedtime he is so high in the morning. Of course the glucose sticks are running out I ordered them on Wed afternoon and the holiday means maybe Tue or Wed. But I will test at 7:30 pm and if low feed till it goes up so I can give him 1½ units.
I guess that any posts about insulin I put here and any other problems go on the General health forum.
Hope I see you there!! TY
 
A few years back I tried everywhere as I posted to Djamila but I see now that I should check again after not finding it. I sure hope it helps me! I had neuropathy 2½ years before I became diabetic.
You will never believe this but I just gave Oreo 15 cc of pureed food and he came to lay on my lap and sat staring at his treat container. I put 2 down in front of him and he ATE both. His Glucose has dropped ½ from this AM - he is 190.8!!!!!
It seems when I go back to 1 at bedtime he is so high in the morning. Of course the glucose sticks are running out I ordered them on Wed afternoon and the holiday means maybe Tue or Wed. But I will test at 7:30 pm and if low feed till it goes up so I can give him 1½ units.
I guess that any posts about insulin I put here and any other problems go on the General health forum.
Hope I see you there!! TY
I'm glad to hear his appetite is starting to wake up! Come on Oreo!
 
He is still refusing food and is getting good at twisting his head back and forth at warp speed.
Of course his old lady is getting worn out. He has eaten 3 tiny crunch treats the size of temptations. He waits by the refig for raw chicken and has even moved the teeny pieces I give him but not eaten. I just checked him and he is 122.4. I get 8 to 12 cc of pureed food and water down him and try and hit every hour ½ or 2 hours. He gets stressed but I keep thinking he will eat on his own. He has lost 2.2 pounds since Wed!! I just pureed a small piece of chicken and while he stared at it he didn't go for it. I pureed it for one last time and hopefully it will fit in the syringe. Come Tuesday I will get some feeding syringes from the pharmacy so I will never be using old ones that the rubber in the plunger wants to stick. If I feed him until his glucose is up do I give 1 unit if 200?
 
He is still refusing food and is getting good at twisting his head back and forth at warp speed.
Of course his old lady is getting worn out. He has eaten 3 tiny crunch treats the size of temptations. He waits by the refig for raw chicken and has even moved the teeny pieces I give him but not eaten. I just checked him and he is 122.4. I get 8 to 12 cc of pureed food and water down him and try and hit every hour ½ or 2 hours. He gets stressed but I keep thinking he will eat on his own. He has lost 2.2 pounds since Wed!! I just pureed a small piece of chicken and while he stared at it he didn't go for it. I pureed it for one last time and hopefully it will fit in the syringe. Come Tuesday I will get some feeding syringes from the pharmacy so I will never be using old ones that the rubber in the plunger wants to stick. If I feed him until his glucose is up do I give 1 unit if 200?
If the 200 number is elevated only because of food then no. Preshot readings should not be food influenced or the cat could go too low when the food wears off. Your cats bg isn't high so I wouldn't worry about that at the moment. Just get food into him. Call your vet and see if he will ok a perscription for a food stimulant or nausea medicine such as cerenia. Then you could either just pick it up at the vet order it and have It mailed to you. Try any foods to get his appetite going... Even gravy food. Any food is better then no food. We want him eating on his own.
 
I'm so glad to hear you were able to find some B12! I hope it helps you! Hang in there on the feedings. I'm sure it's exhausting to both you and Oreo, but you know how important it is, so we send you encouraging thoughts! Have you tried cheese? Some cats really like parmesan, but you could try whatever you have on hand and see if he'll take a nibble. Janet is right - anything you can get him to eat right now is fine. Even if it's higher carb. Once he's eating better on his own you can get him back to healthier foods. :bighug: Hugs to you and Oreo!
 
If the 200 number is elevated only because of food then no. Preshot readings should not be food influenced or the cat could go too low when the food wears off. Your cats bg isn't high so I wouldn't worry about that at the moment. Just get food into him. Call your vet and see if he will ok a perscription for a food stimulant or nausea medicine such as cerenia. Then you could either just pick it up at the vet order it and have It mailed to you. Try any foods to get his appetite going... Even gravy food. Any food is better then no food. We want him eating on his own.

I posted the only medication that we have in Sweden,according to the vet and she lied! a prescription, 1/4 tablet every 48 hours it was Friday morning that I gave it. I posted the name and I can't find those earlier posts. My back is so bad that I can't walk to the kitchen to check the name. I can barely move my head from the way I have to bend my head to hit his mouth and see the puree is going in. We have that one and what is awful is it is mostly for motion sickness and maybe help the appetite it is for kids. I googled it and it seems 4 tablets are available but not at the pharmacy in town but any pharmacy can mail it out and we can get it in the mail by Wed. Since they aren't used to ordering this what dose do I give? I can't get meds sent to me before Tues the pharmacy's are closed. I thought my guy would love his chicken but he acted like it was lemon juice! Time to feed again. I will hang in as long as I can and feed even 3 cc every ½ hour which seems like I can do that without a fight. I changed his weight in the signature area. Happy New Year's.
Cerenia® Tablett 16mg Blister, 1x 4tabletter
116:50 (15 dollars )



I don't see that it helped.
Wow you can tell that I never had a human diabetic pt and certainly never learned about giving insulin from my other non insulin diabetic cat. I don't take insulin. Thank God you answered.
 
I posted the only medication that we have in Sweden,according to the vet and she lied! a prescription, 1/4 tablet every 48 hours it was Friday morning that I gave it. I posted the name and I can't find those earlier posts. My back is so bad that I can't walk to the kitchen to check the name. I can barely move my head from the way I have to bend my head to hit his mouth and see the puree is going in. We have that one and what is awful is it is mostly for motion sickness and maybe help the appetite it is for kids. I googled it and it seems 4 tablets are available but not at the pharmacy in town but any pharmacy can mail it out and we can get it in the mail by Wed. Since they aren't used to ordering this what dose do I give? I can't get meds sent to me before Tues the pharmacy's are closed. I thought my guy would love his chicken but he acted like it was lemon juice! Time to feed again. I will hang in as long as I can and feed even 3 cc every ½ hour which seems like I can do that without a fight. I changed his weight in the signature area. Happy New Year's.
Cerenia® Tablett 16mg Blister, 1x 4tabletter
116:50 (15 dollars )



I don't see that it helped.
Wow you can tell that I never had a human diabetic pt and certainly never learned about giving insulin from my other non insulin diabetic cat. I don't take insulin. Thank God you answered.
Cerenia is for nausea and you give 1/4 tablet. I'm confused is your cat already taking it? You give it daily up to 5 days I believe. Perhaps an appetite stimulants would help. Two common ones are cyproheptadine, and mirtazapine.
 
I'm so glad to hear you were able to find some B12! I hope it helps you! Hang in there on the feedings. I'm sure it's exhausting to both you and Oreo, but you know how important it is, so we send you encouraging thoughts! Have you tried cheese? Some cats really like parmesan, but you could try whatever you have on hand and see if he'll take a nibble. Janet is right - anything you can get him to eat right now is fine. Even if it's higher carb. Once he's eating better on his own you can get him back to healthier foods. :bighug: Hugs to you and Oreo!
Oreo has refused all foods except chicken and turkey pate' or raw chicken breast. He hates any other food. Weird cat! My last diabetic cat was food controlled and she loved milk and cooked salmon and cheese and on and on. You would think this boy was born in a 5 star eating exactly what he wanted instead of being left in the woods to die at the end of the summer and then spent the next 2 years living on dry food in a cage in a barn loft. I tried to order the B12 but I clicked I was done with the order and it wouldn't go through but we have storms around. Thanks and Happy New Year's!!
 
Cerenia is for nausea and you give 1/4 tablet. I'm confused is your cat already taking it? You give it daily up to 5 days I believe. Perhaps an appetite stimulants would help. Two common ones are cyproheptadine, and mirtazapine.

Haven't tried Cerenia and sure hope that he is eating before Wed or Thursday. I looked up the stimulants but it seems when they show it is available they are sent in requiring no prescription from another country and they want to know if I want Viagra too. I will call the vet on Tuesday morning and ask for cerenia and about the other 2 meds. The cyproheptadine is listed as Peractin and doesn't list for cats or appetite stimulant.
 
Cerenia is for nausea and you give 1/4 tablet. I'm confused is your cat already taking it? You give it daily up to 5 days I believe. Perhaps an appetite stimulants would help. Two common ones are cyproheptadine, and mirtazapine.
I will look I think I can walk now. Oreo has had 5cc of chicken or cat food every 30 min and we are both done in. Will check the name of the med and post tomorrow. I know it was 1/4th tab every 48 hours no more than 5 doses. Hugs, Bonnie
 
I am awake after such a sort time in bed. I heard Oreo choking but found nothing. I have been so totally zoomed in to Oreo that I thought it was Saturday yesterday!!The med from Vet was Mirtazapin Alternova 15 mg 1/4th tablet every 48 hours. That should have been done on Sunday which was yesterday for me!! Says it is to be used as an anti emetic and appetite. I am not sure Oreo is urinating but he did have one good sized lump in litter, I am just remembering the huge lumps he has always had. Broke the plastic litter scoop once. He didn't touch either of his food dishes so every 20 minutes I am giving him 3cc's. That way he won't get so stressed and doesn't have time to scream NO and fight and I am wiping his face and kissing him and telling him what a big boy he is. I can send Roger to the pharmacy for feeding syringes tomorrow!! My 5cc one just won't squirt any more.
Purring but made he marched off my lap and was gone! So last feed was 5 AM Hubby carried him into me, I can't lift him today- Glucose is 145.8 no shot. Haven't seen him drink but he gets water in puree. +3½ He hasn't moved from my lap since 7:45 AM. He hates his feedings but hasn't moved to go to box or anything. I decided to test and see if his glucose had shot up. It has barely moved - + 3½ is 147.6
 
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Hopefully the larger syringes will help make this a bit easier for you and Oreo. The amount of pee goes way down when they get into better numbers. Happy New Year to you all!
 
No, I wouldn't do that. You don't have a big enough collection of data to predict what he might do. You can stall for 20 minutes without feeding and retest. If his BG is rising shooting the full dose might be OK. You can repeat these 20 min stalls up to an hour total. If he gets above 200 post for advice. Another option is to shoot a reduced dose - maybe 1 unit?

It would be very helpful to us if set up your "signature". That's the light grey text you see under out posts. Go to the upper right corner of this page and click on your name. In the menu that drops down click on "signature". A text box will open where you can put in the following:
  • kitty's name, age, date of diagnosis
  • insulin you use
  • glucose meter you use
  • what he eats
  • any other meds/health issues he has
  • link to your spreadsheet (open your SS, copy the URL from the top of its page and past it into the text box with the other signature info).
Kris, I can't find where the hypo is I have to mark it. So worn out I can't walk. Is 3.7 something to give him syrup? found it but no numbers are given. help!
 
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Kris, I can't find where the hypo is I have to mark it. So worn out I can't walk. Is 3.7 something to give him syrup?
Did you give insulin this AM? Your SS isn't showing a dose in the box for dose. If you haven't given insulin you don't have to worry. How long after normal dose time did you measure the 3.7?
 
Did you give insulin this AM? Your SS isn't showing a dose in the box for dose. If you haven't given insulin you don't have to worry. How long after normal dose time did you measure the 3.7?
No I put a 0 in the space he was 122.4
Did you give insulin this AM? Your SS isn't showing a dose in the box for dose. If you haven't given insulin you don't have to worry. How long after normal dose time did you measure the 3.7?
or normal from what I remember. He was 122.4 at 7:30 at AMPS +7½ now Guess I didn't like the numbers 66.6
 
Hi Bonnie,

My heart went out to you reading this thread because I've been through similar. I can fully appreciate how exhausting things must be for you, both physically and emotionally. Oreo Joe is blessed to have such a loving and dedicated mama. You are doing an outstanding job of getting food into him under such difficult circumstances.

:bighug:

Reading through your posts above it really sounds as though Oreo is experiencing real problems with nausea. Also I note the following from your other thread in Feline Health:

He seems to feel cold he curls up on my fake fur spread on the bed and buries himself into a tiny ball. He likes it when I put the mattress heater on low can barely feel it but he is right back there now.

In addition to nausea and inappetence, hypothermia can be a symptom of feline pancreatitis (per FDMB Primer on Pancreatitis). I recommend letting your vet know about these clinical signs. If pancreatitis is suspected then Oreo Joe may also need pain relief (buprenorphine) to help him to start eating again. Note: a Spec fPL blood test can be run to help diagnose whether pancreatitis is the problem.

The cyproheptadine is listed as Peractin and doesn't list for cats or appetite stimulant.
Cyproheptadine (Periactin) is a human medication that can be used for appetite stimulation in cats. It may not have a licence for use in pets in Sweden. It doesn't have a veterinary licence in the UK but vets here can prescribe it under UK drug cascade rules if other licensed veterinary medication(s) don't work or if the cat has an adverse reaction to the other medication(s). Maybe a similar system exists in Sweden?

Mirtazapin Alternova 15 mg 1/4th tablet every 48 hours. That should have been done on Sunday which was yesterday for me!! Says it is to be used as an anti emetic and appetite.

We've seen here that a not-insignificant number of vets will insist that there is no need to prescribe additional anti-nausea medication when they prescribe mirtazapine. For a seriously nauseated cat, any anti-nausea effect that mirtazapine may exert is typically insufficient to help the cat overcome its eating difficulties. (It's certainly typical of what we see here in pancreatitis and DKA cats.) Let your vet know that the mirtazapine on its own doesn't appear to be helping Oreo Joe and that you are assist feeding round the clock to keep him eating.

It can sometimes take a bit of persistence with the vet (or sometimes consultation with another vet) in order to secure additional, dedicated anti-nausea treatment. If a cat can't get any food down it is a life-threatening situation so if the cat still shows symptoms of nausea on mirtazapine alone don't delay going back to the vet to secure an Rx for specific anti-nausea meds. If the vet insists that mirtazapine alone has worked for all his other patients try to be as clear and firm as you can that it's not working for your cat, that you don't want your cat to develop fatty liver problems, and that your cat needs more help. The IDEXX document linked below may be very helpful in supporting your case in such circumstances.

IDEXX Pancreatitis Treatment Guidelines

The above document gives very clear information on effective treatments for feline nausea (Cerenia, ondansetron) and inappetence (mirtazapine, cyproheptadine). Whether or not pancreatitis is the cause of Oreo Joe's eating difficulties, the treatments referenced in the IDEXX document for nausea and poor appetite should be generally applicable for these ailments even if the cause of the nausea is something else. (They are also used for cats with ketosis/DKA or CKD, for example.) A notable exception is where the cat is constipated. This, too, can cause nausea and put a cat off eating and the constipation needs to be resolved before normal anti-nausea and appetite stimulant meds will work properly. If your kitty has gone more than 2-3 days without pooping then a physical exam at the vets is needed to make sure that there's no GI obstruction or impacted faeces. Assuming no blockages, a few doses of metoclopramide (Reglan) can help normalise gut motility and with a consequent reduction in nausea symptoms. Thereafter the other meds should be effective. (NB: Check out the IDEXX document for reasons why Reglan is not suitable for general, intermediate to longer term nausea management in cats.)

The above is general advice, Bonnie. I'm not sure whether there might be special circumstances in Sweden. I hope your vet will be able to help: if the right supporting treatments are in place it can make the world of difference to help get a kitty eating properly again and on the road to recovery.

Keep doing what you can to monitor ketones in the meantime. More info here.


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Everyone has been so incredibly kind and helpful Thank You so much. Roger is headed for the Vets now to get the buprenorphine, then to the pharmacy in the opposite direction to get the medication for nausea. He is absolutely hating even the syringe feedings and I am going to wait with feeding until I get the pain med in him. It is not sold through even the animal pharmacy but the vet will draw up several syringes ( for oral feeding) as that is the only way we can get it.
The vet said that since he hadn't eaten since the afternoon of Dec 29th and basically he is getting way to little food in himself that the prognosis is very poor of him pulling through.
I am going to lose my baby! I feel like crying except that would give me more of a headache than I always have anyway. Hate permanent headaches and hate adding to them.
I will post after I find out if the meds help. Thank you again.
 
Give it some time to see if the meds help before you panic. (I know that's easier said than done). The bupe should help if he's in pain and the nausea meds should help him feel better...I know this is scary, but one thing at a time. Let's see how the meds do and go from there...and we're here for you if you need to vent/cry/scream or whatever. We've all done it and we're happy to lend a shoulder! Hoping the meds help your baby... :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Give it some time to see if the meds help before you panic. (I know that's easier said than done). The bupe should help if he's in pain and the nausea meds should help him feel better...I know this is scary, but one thing at a time. Let's see how the meds do and go from there...and we're here for you if you need to vent/cry/scream or whatever. We've all done it and we're happy to lend a shoulder! Hoping the meds help your baby... :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
Well will have to see how good the medication works for nausea will probably be another 24 hours. I popped the 1/4 tab down throat followed by water chaser and stroked him and held his mouth shut he purred and loved the scratching. 2 minutes later I kissed his head and told him I would see him later and he said ok see ya and spit a mouth full of foam, slippery saliva and lots of disgust and marched off. He is no longer curled in a ball on the bed he lays normal but he does enjoy cuddling. Except now he thinks I am a sneaky poop. The cleaning lady just arrived, brings all her own supplies! Is working in my room and vacuuming and I found out Oreo can run.
The puree is 2/3 pate' 1/3 water He gets 12 cc every hour. Is this enough or to much?
You all give good hugs.
 
I know this is wrong but I have sat here for an hour trying to figure out how to start a new thread. Remember I have CFS and my memory is bad. Ok I was here several months ago and all of the Blood Sugar tests on Oreo Joe were in the normal range. I tried to fill in the chart but it won't work. I am going to start a new sheet. We have had a terrible time since I left. My nest egg of $2000 went and then another 1000 on lab work, vet visits, medications, ordering supplies not available in Sweden only to have customs charge 2 taxes on the pkgs. So I finally, after 3 months of syringe feedings, he began to eat. He heard the vet say I have tried to be American for you but after 2 weeks of syringe feedings we put them down. I will not order another medication for his nausea and I expect you to call on Monday and set up a time. Oreo followed me to the kitchen and cried at the refrigerator. I had chicken out for supper so I cut off a piece and he gobbled it down. He ate and ate his diabetic friendly food and couldn't be filled. So fast forward to yesterday, he was picky with food and wanting to be held much more as he usually wants a hug a crunchy treat and he is gone. He has continued to drink huge amounts of water but every glucose test I did was in the normal range. Yesterday it didn't click to test again. So here I was at 8:30 pm testing and found out my perfectly normal little man was 265 !! Since I was here last my eye sight has gotten very bad. I am home alone, although my husband has bad eye sight also. I had an old syringe the vet had filled several way back in the beginning, as the insulin had to be ordered and mailed. I looked at the syringe she had filled with a magnifying glass and say it was drawn to the 5th little red line. That was supposed to be 1½ U. Since I don't know how he would react I counted to the 4th little red line figuring it was 1 U. The syringe has U40 written on it. I hope I gave right. I tried to find how to post a new thread gave up gave him the insulin at 9 pm and looked some more and gave up finding an old post I had kept in my files. Lucky as a search for Bonnie and Oreo Joe showed nothing could be found.
Oh he is on ProZinc now as of 35 minutes ago. Can someone set me straight on what I am doing as far as the insulin? I am going to go and look for where I get a new spread sheet. I click on a place to put in a number and it types up at the top of the page. I looked on line re: picture of syringe up close but I still didn't see it well enough to be sure. Thank you and I will be up waiting to see what you have to say. I am 6 hours ahead of East Coast USA and 9 hours ahead of the West coast. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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