? Dose Advise For Mouzer - Please

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Cherryl & Mouzer

Cherryl & Mouzer

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Mouzer has been on 1u since the pm shot of May 25th.
His recorded numbers started at AMBG +8 on May 27th, as soon as the test strips arrived.
So, there is record of BG since then.
Could/Would, someone who knows about dosing, please look over Mouzer's spreadsheet and see if it is time to raise the dose to 1.25u?
And if it is time, should I do it at the pm shot, this evening?
 
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Cherryl & Mouzer said:
Mouzer has been on 1u since the pm shot of May 25th.
His recorded numbers started at AMBG +8 on May 27th, as soon as the test strips arrived.
So, there is record of BG since then.
Could/Would, someone who knows about dosing, please look over Mouzer's spreadsheet and see if it is time to raise the dose to 1.25u? And if it is time, should I do it at the pm shot, this evening?
And today's +4 box, turns baby blue. It will not turn pink and it will not color pink with the paint can.
But it is 385 in white letters, in the baby blue box for AMBG +4 today.
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It's pink when I look at your SS, Cherryl. If you add a blue question mark icon to your thread title it'll get more attention. To do that, go to the top of your thread where you typed in the title and look in the little drop down menu to the left end of the title bar. You'll see the blue question mark in there.
 
Hi, Cherryl--the +4 box looks normal to me, but I can see that you have it highlighted--that is, it's the box where you currently have your cursor. Light blue is often the highlight color. Try clicking in another box and see if that changes the view/color for you.
 
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Hi, Cherryl--the +4 box looks normal to me, but I can see that you have it highlighted--that is, it's the box where you currently have your cursor. Light blue is often the highlight color. Try clicking in another box and see if that changes the view/color for you.
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I figured it out!! I was hoping I got that comment edited before anybody saw it. I was in one tab and it did the baby blue thing and when I moused over, it kept showing my name and the other boxes didnt show my name, so I was like - ok what is up with this... I closed out that tab and saw that I had another SS tab open and over there, I had already put 385 but not moved the mouse out of the box for it to turn pink yet and when I did move the mouse away, it turned pink. It seems it was not liking two tabs open with the SS and trying to type on both heehee My booboo - I apologize :)
 
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It's pink when I look at your SS, Cherryl. If you add a blue question mark icon to your thread title it'll get more attention. To do that, go to the top of your thread where you typed in the title and look in the little drop down menu to the left end of the title bar. You'll see the blue question mark in there.
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Hey! Thanks for tellin me that! I could not find the question and some how I all of the sudden saw to edit the title!! So I clicked that and was able to choose the blue question - And now I know how to fix/edit a title on a thread, if I mess up!! I just looked again and that is Thread Tools!!
 
I do think it's time for you to start 1.25u. I always did my increase on the pm cycle when I was home because I work full-time and couldn't monitor during the day. Do the increase when it makes more sense for you - tonight or tomorrow morning.
 
Mandy & Rex said:
I do think it's time for you to start 1.25u. I always did my increase on the pm cycle when I was home because I work full-time and couldn't monitor during the day. Do the increase when it makes more sense for you - tonight or tomorrow morning.
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And I am not being a smarty pants here -- but I am going to ask --
Are you one of the 'pros'? That I am to be looking for providing me this answer?

If to wait til the morning is ok, that would be best. I do have to get to bed tonight. I stayed up late last night and I am more able to monitor during daytime. The am shot would be at 6am my time - I have to take a kitty to meet our new vet - at 3pm - to leave at 2:30pm tomorrow.
If I see the numbers to be scary for me, when I have to leave, I could even take him with me to the vet and just tell them that he is under watch!!

But confirm to me you are one of the ones I am supposed to be waiting to come here and advise me on this, just so I know.
And I am pretty sure you would say so already, if you were not, but just for safety purposes :)

I just watched the party video, trying to figure out what OTJ means, and I figured it out, Off The Juice -- And you sure have some pretty kitties!!
 
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Cherryl & Mouzer said:
And I am not being a smarty pants here -- but I am going to ask --
Are you one of the 'pros'? That I am to be looking for providing me this answer?

If to wait til the morning is ok, that would be best. I do have to get to bed tonight. I stayed up late last night and I am more able to monitor during daytime. The am shot would be at 6am my time - I have to take a kitty to meet our new vet - at 3pm - to leave at 2:30pm tomorrow.
If I see the numbers to be scary for me, when I have to leave, I could even take him with me to the vet and just tell them that he is under watch!!

But confirm to me you are one of the ones I am supposed to be waiting to come here and advise me on this, just so I know.
And I am pretty sure you would say so already, if you were not, but just for safety purposes :)
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No, I am not a "pro." However, I can see Mouzer hasn't had a blue in 5 days or 10 cycles. With SLGS, you can increase 0.25 units every 7 days. I had a crash course in FD with my cat so I like to try and help others when I feel comfortable giving my opinion. Key word: opinion! If you prefer, I can just pop in once in a while and give you support without giving advice. You are Mouzer's mama! :cat:
 
Mandy & Rex said:
No, I am not a "pro." However, I can see Mouzer hasn't had a blue in 5 days or 10 cycles. With SLGS, you can increase 0.25 units every 7 days. I had a crash course in FD with my cat so I like to try and help others when I feel comfortable giving my opinion. Key word: opinion! If you prefer, I can just pop in once in a while and give you support without giving advice. You are Mouzer's mama! :cat:
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OK - I was thinking myself, 0.25 is time, but I was hoping we would be going down 0.25 instead of up, even though the numbers have proven we cant decrease.
I was just hoping for Mouzer. I will do that tomorrow morning.

Up in last post to you, I edited to add but I see you already replied, so I am going to paste what I added...
I just watched the party video, trying to figure out what OTJ means, and I figured it out, Off The Juice -- And you sure have some pretty kitties!!

And thank you for advise. Teasel's parent has same advise but kept saying to wait on the pros - so I guess my mind was looking for a name with a pro title or something hahahaa
 
Here's what I'm seeing with sweet Mouzer.

--this dose did get him into blue once that we can see
--there are two nights (6/1 and 6/2) where he was headed down pretty fast and, a time, at least on 6/1, could have gotten down into blue numbers;
--he bounced pretty hard the morning of 6/2 which also leads me to believe he either got into blue on 6/1 or he didn't like the big drop between PMPS and +2
--he could have also gotten into blue on 6/4
--he's popped up a bit today which "could" be a high before a break (see below) or it could just be a meter variance (totally possible).

He's been on 1u over a week but, under SLGS, you haven't really run a curve. You might want to go back and read the information on SLGS to be sure you are doing it correctly so we get the best information for dosing.

Even though I believe he's likely had some blue nadirs below 150 besides the obvious one on the SS, there’s no hard data but you've got enough data to increase to 1.25u provided you can monitor, at least PSs and a couple times each cycle, in case he goes lower since we have some missing data.

Remember that not every cat nadirs at +6 and the nadir can move around. On bounce clearing cycles, the lowest number can easily be at the end of the cycle.

However, if this were my cat, I'd probably do increase in the morning if possible because he could be clearing a bounce that might have been triggered by that steep drop on the night of 6/2. Bounces can take six cycles to clear and tonight would be the sixth.

A high before a break is when we see kitty bouncing and maybe even coming down a bit but then shooting back up. It's always important to watch for this because it can be a clue that a bounce is about to clear.

Last comment: even when he's high, if he's dropping, you don't need to test every hour or even every two hours but you need to at least know he's stopped or headed back up. On evenings of 6/1 and 6/2 and day of 6/4, I'd have gotten a later test to see when/if he potentially got lower.

Please tag me if you have questions.
 
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@Marje and Gracie
I gave Mouzer his 1.25 for PM - I did not see your post until after pm shot. Last night, I forced myself to stay up til midnight and that is very hard for me, due to my schedule. Even +4 is too late for me.

An 0.25 isnt that much of a raise, when considering the vet started him out on 2u and 3u and he didnt die hahahaha I am forcing myself to get over being scared of this 1.25u.
I figure, my vet didnt kill him with those high doses, maybe I wont kill him with these lower doses hahaha

Thank you for all of the information - I am going to save it to notepad. I have read the SLGS Method, many times over.
I have gotten pretty close to full curves, several of the days on the spreadsheet, and it was the best I could do.
I cannot stay up late, I have to hit the floor running, seven days a week, at 3am and 4am, except Saturdays is my lucky day, I get to sleep in til 5:30am.
I have to leave the house, at some point in the day, without fail, which will cause me to miss at least one test, during a 12 hour curve.
I think I succeeded in doing the following...Quote from May 29th...
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Just to give you a roadmap to where we're heading under SLGS: we want to hold the 1.0U dose for a week to see what this dose can do for Mouzer, then we'll decide whether the dose needs to be increased or decreased. Usually, we recommend to do a full curve at the 1-week mark to help make this decision, but if you get enough of these mid-cycle tests in over the week, we might have enough information from those.
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@Supurrkitten
I feed Mouzer low carb canned only and not within two hours of the amps and pmps. A few days, he did get a teaspoon of his food, a little before the two hours before his pmps, but that was because he wanted to eat NOW - and it was suggested to do the teaspoon to hold him over.

Once I get those amps and pmps reads, if I can proceed, I give him his food and do the shot, while he is enjoying his meal. He has been eating breakfast, lunch and supper.
Earlier on, first two weeks, with no meter use at home and his being on the vet's high dose, he was eating five and six times a day. Since doing test at home, he has only been wanting the three meals a day. So, something better has taken place because he isnt trying to eat all day long.
 
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I understand the wacky schedule. I have not slept much since Fergus was diagnosed. Do you have a cell phone? Can you set your phone alarm and have everything set up to roll over and poke him then roll back and sleep? Then you can put in the data in inthe morning if you meter saves it.
 
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I understand the wacky schedule. I have not slept much since Fergus was diagnosed. Do you have a cell phone? Can you set your phone alarm and have everything set up to roll over and poke him then roll back and sleep? Then you can put in the data in inthe morning if you meter saves it.
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I use an alarm clock. If, for some reason, the added work load for Mouzer, with what I am able to do, is not enough, I cant help that.
I was told I had a lot of good data on Mouzer and should not need to do a full curve. I did what I could do and went out of my way to do it.
 
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@Marje and Gracie
I gave Mouzer his 1.25 for PM - I did not see your post until after pm shot. Last night, I forced myself to stay up til midnight and that is very hard for me, due to my schedule. Even +4 is too late for me.

An 0.25 isnt that much of a raise, when considering the vet started him out on 2u and 3u and he didnt die hahahaha I am forcing myself to get over being scared of this 1.25u.
I figure, my vet didnt kill him with those high doses, maybe I wont kill him with these lower doses hahaha

Thank you for all of the information - I am going to save it to notepad. I have read the SLGS Method, many times over.
I have gotten pretty close to full curves, several of the days on the spreadsheet, and it was the best I could do.
I cannot stay up late, I have to hit the floor running, seven days a week, at 3am and 4am, except Saturdays is my lucky day, I get to sleep in til 5:30am.
I have to leave the house, at some point in the day, without fail, which will cause me to miss at least one test, during a 12 hour curve.
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You're welcome. As you can see, those 400s were the high before the break and he's now coming down. Increases on a bounce clearing cycle happen but it's not the best time to increase. We all want to increase when we see a high PS but we have to look hard at what the patterns are telling us.

Insofar as SLGS, you only have to do a curve for one cycle (sounds like daytime cycle is best). If you got most of the tests every two hours, it would be fine. You did a good job on 5/31. I think what I see missing recently are tests after +7 which is fine on non-curve days.

However, that's why it helps to get as full a curve as you can on curve days so you get an idea, over time, of his patterns. And that's why I don't agree with the comment that if you get enough midcycle tests, it might be enough. Even with the TR protocol, we highly suggest those later cycle tests ...they can be very informative.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
You're welcome. As you can see, those 400s were the high before the break and he's now coming down. Increases on a bounce clearing cycle happen but it's not the best time to increase. We all want to increase when we see a high PS but we have to look hard at what the patterns are telling us.

Insofar as SLGS, you only have to do a curve for one cycle (sounds like daytime cycle is best). If you got most of the tests every two hours, it would be fine. You did a good job on 5/31. I think what I see missing recently are tests after +7 which is fine on non-curve days.

However, that's why it helps to get as full a curve as you can on curve days so you get an idea, over time, of his patterns. And that's why I don't agree with the comment that if you get enough midcycle tests, it might be enough. Even with the TR protocol, we highly suggest those later cycle tests ...they can be very informative.
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I will have to miss one test, during a 12 hour curve. I have to leave the house, without fail.
There will be no late night curves haha and tonight or rather now my morning, is trashing my entire day. I am supposed to 'wake up' in two hours :)
Consider this night a curve LOL That will only happen when Mouzer is low and I am not comfy.
 
Cherryl & Mouzer said:
I will have to miss one test, during a 12 hour curve. I have to leave the house, without fail.
There will be no late night curves haha and tonight or rather now my morning, is trashing my entire day. I am supposed to 'wake up' in two hours :)
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If you can plan it so maybe there are just three hours between two of the tests and you get tests later in the cycle, that would be good. Each time you do a curve, perhaps change the times you have to be gone longer than two hours. But.....do your best to get a curve that spans the cycle once a week.

I wouldn't do curves at night either if my kitty had been on SLGS :smuggrin: It is important you keep an eye on his numbers tonight until he heads up without any HC or gravy (not saying you are using it but just in case). Sleep test if you can.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
If you can plan it so maybe there are just three hours between two of the tests and you get tests later in the cycle, that would be good. Each time you do a curve, perhaps change the times you have to be gone longer than two hours. But.....do your best to get a curve that spans the cycle once a week.

I wouldn't do curves at night either if my kitty had been on SLGS :smuggrin: It is important you keep an eye on his numbers tonight until he heads up without any HC or gravy (not saying you are using it but just in case). Sleep test if you can.
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You do not understand my work. My day. My life. I am not going to pound my head against the wall, trying to explain.
I will do the best I can, but what I end up with, will be what I was able to get.
There will be no sleep test LOL My work day starts in less than two hours. My body doesnt sleep, to know it wont get rest. It will just stay awake.
But most of all, to try not to go on, because I can see people dont grasp my life or my disability, I do the best I can.
 
Cherryl & Mouzer said:
You do not understand my work. My day. My life. I am not going to pound my head against the wall, trying to explain.
I will do the best I can, but what I end up with, will be what I was able to get.
There will be no sleep test LOL My work day starts in less than two hours. My body doesnt sleep, to know it wont get rest. It will just stay awake.
But most of all, to try not to go on, because I can see people dont grasp my life or my disability, I do the best I can.
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Good luck with Mouzer.
 
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