5/29 Mouzer AMPS 438

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Cherryl & Mouzer

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5/28 Thread: http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/5-28-mouzer-amps-447.178505/#post-1971687

AMPS / 438 / 1u
+4 / 317
+6 / 319
+9 / 354
PMPS / 297 / 1u /
+2 / 312





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This was yesterday's And I have it here, so I can be reminded of the hours I did get a read and try to get reads at different times today.
I have a bit going on with hubby home for holiday, so I will see what I can get today.

AMPS / 447 / 1u
+2 / 311
+3 / 287
+6 / 235
PMPS / 405 / 1u
+4 / 305
 
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+4 / 317


And so +3 yesterday was into 200's

This is true. But on the other hand, the numbers may not be all that different. Meters are allowed up to 20% variation either way-- it doesn't make a huge difference at low numbers, but at higher numbers, it means that 317 and yesterday's 287 at +3 are basically indistinguishable.

Just to give you a roadmap to where we're heading under SLGS: we want to hold the 1.0U dose for a week to see what this dose can do for Mouzer, then we'll decide whether the dose needs to be increased or decreased. Usually, we recommend to do a full curve at the 1-week mark to help make this decision, but if you get enough of these mid-cycle tests in over the week, we might have enough information from those.

Hope you are having a good holiday! It's a bit rainy here this morning, hoping it clears up for the afternoon.
 
This is true. But on the other hand, the numbers may not be all that different. Meters are allowed up to 20% variation either way-- it doesn't make a huge difference at low numbers, but at higher numbers, it means that 317 and yesterday's 287 at +3 are basically indistinguishable.

Just to give you a roadmap to where we're heading under SLGS: we want to hold the 1.0U dose for a week to see what this dose can do for Mouzer, then we'll decide whether the dose needs to be increased or decreased. Usually, we recommend to do a full curve at the 1-week mark to help make this decision, but if you get enough of these mid-cycle tests in over the week, we might have enough information from those.

Hope you are having a good holiday! It's a bit rainy here this morning, hoping it clears up for the afternoon.


Oh! I forgot about the variation. So, this doesnt mean anything has gone awry. Good! I was just pondering, trying to think, what the heck am I doing differently with Mouzer that would be causing a difference. So, we are fine, still.

I forget how the curve goes but I do recall something about every two hours and I dont remember if this was all all night include or throughout the entire day, but I was thinking how this is going to be hard. So, I will try to get enough in over this week and maybe I can bypass that curve date. Do we need an all night read too? Because that one, I aint so sure I can get, not even to do a curve. If I do get up in some odd hour of the night, I will try to remember to get through my dizzy, blurry eyed state and get some readings. Or if by chance I do find I have an odd night that I am not able to sleep, I will surely get some readings! That does happen, from time to time.

The weather is with no rain on us today. We do need rain, though. But it is being a good day. And I hope you enjoy your day.
I will be back at the +6 because I am with the understanding that is an important time of day????

I have a food question -- Being told to have regular low carb on hand - when I was confused about the tool box showing to have high carb but you all were saying low carb in case of need to help Mouzer not go too low - Can you name exactly a few foods for me to look at? Is 12 and 13 on the chart for carbs something to consider to have on hand for just in case not an extreme emergency but like how it was the other day for Mouzer? I see the Friskies Cat Concoctions and Chicken Dinner in Gravy with 12 and 13 - that is higher than what he normally eats - is that too much in carbs?
 
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I have a food question -- Being told to have regular low carb on hand - when I was confused about the tool box showing to have high carb but you all were saying low carb in case of need to help Mouzer not go too low - Can you name exactly a few foods for me to look at? Is 12 and 13 on the chart for carbs something to consider to have on hand for just in case not an extreme emergency but like how it was the other day for Mouzer? I see the Friskies Cat Concoctions and Chicken Dinner in Gravy with 12 and 13 - that is higher than what he normally eats - is that too much in carbs?

What does he normally eat? [edit: sorry, it's in your signature, so no need to answer this question!]

We consider anything below 10% to be "low carb". Many of us on the boards feed Fancy Feast or Friskies pates for our everyday low-carb food or to "steer" numbers in a non-emergency situation. That's pretty much the difference between advising low carb and high carb-- if we're just trying to gently nudge numbers that are still in the safe zone, we use low or sometimes medium carb, but when we get to the "uh-oh" zone of below 50 BG, then we break out the high carb.

The 12 and 13 are more like a "medium carb" food when taken as a whole, but the gravy part alone contains a ton of carbs so you could use that as a "high carb" boost if you ever need to bring numbers up quickly. Side note: we often use abbreviations LC, MC, and HC for low carb, medium carb, and high carb, so you'll probably see those thrown around in discussions.
 
What does he normally eat? [edit: sorry, it's in your signature, so no need to answer this question!]

We consider anything below 10% to be "low carb". Many of us on the boards feed Fancy Feast or Friskies pates for our everyday low-carb food or to "steer" numbers in a non-emergency situation. That's pretty much the difference between advising low carb and high carb-- if we're just trying to gently nudge numbers that are still in the safe zone, we use low or sometimes medium carb, but when we get to the "uh-oh" zone of below 50 BG, then we break out the high carb.

The 12 and 13 are more like a "medium carb" food when taken as a whole, but the gravy part alone contains a ton of carbs so you could use that as a "high carb" boost if you ever need to bring numbers up quickly. Side note: we often use abbreviations LC, MC, and HC for low carb, medium carb, and high carb, so you'll probably see those thrown around in discussions.


OK! Thank You!! And so, when just trying to nudge, I need the MC? - Sorry to repeat self but just making sure I do understand.
And for the bad place, which please God do not get there Mouzer - but if there - is 25 a high carb?
I saw some with 25 and I can buy some to have on hand but I want to make sure that is high enough.
 
Yes, 25 is definitely considered high-carb.

Don't worry about MC for now, and in fact don't worry too much about food-steering in general. Post your numbers as you get them, and if the experts here think it might be a good time for a nudge with some LC, they'll let you know what they think you should do! There's a bit of an art to all the food-steering, and I'm not the best in it myself, to be honest, but there are folks on here who are very experienced.
 
Yes, 25 is definitely considered high-carb.

Don't worry about MC for now, and in fact don't worry too much about food-steering in general. Post your numbers as you get them, and if the experts here think it might be a good time for a nudge with some LC, they'll let you know what they think you should do! There's a bit of an art to all the food-steering, and I'm not the best in it myself, to be honest, but there are folks on here who are very experienced.

I just wanted to know what is what, so I can have it on hand. From what it appears, all I do have is low carb. I have some Friskies but havent found them on the list yet, to know if they are what I need or not, but they are not even high carb, I know that much. I need to get some MC and HC just to have on hand, because ordering it would take two days to get here and I am not that close to get to a store to run pick some up. I want to know this because the other evening, when not sure what was going to take place with Mouzer, they told me to have it all ready and I did not have those types of foods on hand.



I came back to this to add - from what you just said to me - here is what my mind heard -
Just shut up and post your numbers ---

If you just want numbers posted - please NOBODY make conversation with me because I am a polite person who will respond but also, if someone wants to tell me, just to shut up and do such n such, I am also an unpleasant person. And I am not some child to be telling such bs to, either. I should not have even explained to you as to why I was asking. But please, from now on, do not make conversation with me, unless it is to tell me to do something for Mouzer.
I wont speak any more at all whatsoever otherwise! Thanks for peeing on my day!
 
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From yesterday's thread:
Oh ok - it was said not to feed two hours before PMPS - so you mean at that two hours before, to feed something?
Just a small little snack like a teaspoon of regular food or a low carb treat... not a meal.

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I came back to this to add - from what you just said to me - here is what my mind heard -
Just shut up and post your numbers ---

If you just want numbers posted - please NOBODY make conversation with me because I am a polite person who will respond but also, if someone wants to tell me, just to shut up and do such n such, I am also an unpleasant person. And I am not some child to be telling such bs to, either. I should not have even explained to you as to why I was asking. But please, from now on, do not make conversation with me, unless it is to tell me to do something for Mouzer.
I wont speak any more at all whatsoever otherwise! Thanks for peeing on my day!
Donning my moderator hat...

Cherryl, please re-read what Nan wrote. I believe you misinterpreted what was said.

I'm not going to mince words. I'm just going to be direct and to the point. I know oftentimes it's difficult to hear the tone in the written word, but Nan didn't even come close to implying you should shut up and do such 'n such.

As a matter of fact, I believe Nan has gone out of her way all along to help you by responding to your questions and doing whatever she can to help make you feel comfortable and welcomed on the FDMB. If I were Nan, I would find your remarks to be rude and uncalled for. I couldn't blame her if she walked away which is really too bad because whether you realize it or not, she's been there for you.

Please learn to accept the help you're being given in the spirit intended. No one is paid to be here... each and every one of us gives out of the kindness of our hearts... giving back some of what has been given to us by others.
 
From yesterday's thread:

Just a small little snack like a teaspoon of regular food or a low carb treat... not a meal.

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Donning my moderator hat...

Cherryl, please re-read what Nan wrote. I believe you misinterpreted what was said.

I'm not going to mince words. I'm just going to be direct and to the point. I know oftentimes it's difficult to hear the tone in the written word, but Nan didn't even come close to implying you should shut up and do such 'n such.

As a matter of fact, I believe Nan has gone out of her way all along to help you by responding to your questions and doing whatever she can to help make you feel comfortable and welcomed on the FDMB. If I were Nan, I would find your remarks to be rude and uncalled for. I couldn't blame her if she walked away which is really too bad because whether you realize it or not, she's been there for you.

Please learn to accept the help you're being given in the spirit intended. No one is paid to be here... each and every one of us gives out of the kindness of our hearts... giving back some of what has been given to us by others.


Don't worry about MC for now, and in fact don't worry too much about food-steering in general. Post your numbers as you get them, and if the experts here think it might be a good time for a nudge with some LC, they'll let you know what they think you should do!


The other evening, when they 'let me know', I wasnt even sure I had the right food on hand.
I had said, I would be checking my food.
On next 'alert', I need to know I have the right food here.

I wouldnt worry over this if not that, the other evening, I was a little 'alerted' and possibly unprepared.
I dont plan for the next time, 'they let me know', to sit here not having the right kinds of food.
That is not the time to be, running miles to a store, looking for food.
I was asking legitimate questions.

From now on - I am posting numbers.
If there is some weird reason I need to worry about somethin, let me know.
I wont ask any more questions and will figure it out myself.
 
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The other evening, when they 'let me know', I wasnt even sure I had the right food on hand.
I had said, I would be checking my food.
On next 'alert', I need to know I have the right food here.

I wouldnt worry over this if not that, the other evening, I was a little 'alerted' and possibly unprepared.
I dont plan for the next time, 'they let me know', to sit here not having the right kinds of food.
That is not the time to be, running miles to a store, looking for food.
I was asking legitimate questions.
Nan posted the answers to your questions in Posts #6 and #8.

In post #8 when Nan went on to say, "Don't worry about MC for now, and in fact don't worry too much about food-steering in general. Post your numbers as you get them, and if the experts here think it might be a good time for a nudge with some LC, they'll let you know what they think you should do! There's a bit of an art to all the food-steering, and I'm not the best in it myself, to be honest, but there are folks on here who are very experienced." ... she was referring to using food to steer the curve. She feels there are some who are better at it than she is and urged you to listen to them when the time comes. In the mean time, she didn't want you to worry about it.

Personally, I admire any member offering advice who is upfront and honest by saying so if there's something they don't know as well as someone else and bowing out if they think there are others who may do a better job at explaining or guiding another member should the occasion arise. That's all Nan did!
From now on - I am posting numbers.
If there is some weird reason I need to worry about somethin, let me know.
I wont ask any more questions and will figure it out myself.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I can't imagine this approach will be very beneficial to you or Mouzer, but it's your decision. Going forward, let us know how or if we can be of any help to you.

Have a nice afternoon. It's hotter than heck here so we're off to the pool! :)
 
Nan posted the answers to your questions in Posts #6 and #8.

In post #8 when Nan went on to say, "Don't worry about MC for now, and in fact don't worry too much about food-steering in general. Post your numbers as you get them, and if the experts here think it might be a good time for a nudge with some LC, they'll let you know what they think you should do! There's a bit of an art to all the food-steering, and I'm not the best in it myself, to be honest, but there are folks on here who are very experienced." ... she was referring to using food to steer the curve. She feels there are some who are better at it than she is and urged you to listen to them when the time comes. In the mean time, she didn't want you to worry about it.

Personally, I admire any member offering advice who is upfront and honest by saying so if there's something they don't know as well as someone else and bowing out if they think there are others who may do a better job at explaining or guiding another member should the occasion arise. That's all Nan did!

I'm sorry you feel that way. I can't imagine this approach will be very beneficial to you or Mouzer, but it's your decision. Going forward, let us know how or if we can be of any help to you.

Have a nice afternoon. It's hotter than heck here so we're off to the pool! :)

Post six tells me what MC is - I wanted to know what point is called high carb. I have no idea. Post eight tells me 25 is high carb but basically also tells me not to worry about this right now and just post numbers. I need to get everything together is why I even ask the questions and because I was already somewhat alerted once and due to the food info, was not sure I had what was needed.

If they would have said high carb, I do not have any high carb here, except for the dry food that I keep around just for in between meals and none of them really eat much of that and not so sure Mouzer will eat any of it. I also dont have snacks because these cats havent been raised on snacks and they are not interested in them and if they were, I couldnt afford all of these to have those snacks, but I know Mouzer is absolutely not going to care to eat any snacks/treats.

I put all of these cats on low carb when my FatBoy was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism and he was put on a low carb diet, because the carbs and also iodine in seafood dishes, are the aid to hyperthyroidism and I am trying to prevent that in these other cats.

If asking questions is some interference here, then I wont ask questions and I will figure it out myself. I am not stupid. It just takes me time to figure it out and I thought it would be nice to know now, so I can get things together for when/if a need arises.

From now on, the daily thread will be that of only Mouzer's numbers, as far as from me goes, as that appears to be all that is wanted from me in the thread, no matter if anyone else comes to talk about anything else, I am to just stick to the numbers. So, numbers is what I will provide and that is it. I wont bother the thread with any conversation or replies to any conversation. I will focus only on posting numbers.

And there is no need to continue in this conversation - no need to pound the hammer on. I got it. Numbers -
 
Cherryl, I really do think you're taking Nan's comment out of context.

I think that Nan was just trying to tell you that right then, it wasn't something you should worry about. The people here that are willing to help new people can sometimes give too much information and that can just confuse them even more. It's a big responsibility for the people here to take on and help someone else because nobody here wants to be responsible for hurting someone else's cat. That's our number one fear!!

Mouzers numbers right then weren't low enough for you to worry about it at that moment.....that's all she was trying to say.

For future reference though, low carb is generally anything under 10% carbs....but in a very carb sensitive cat, 8-10% may be too high even for them.

MC is generally 11-15%.....what I like to use is Fancy Feast Medleys White Meat Chicken Florentine at 13% but there are many other options....again, what works for Mouzer may be different.

HC is usually 16% or above....personally, if I need to pull out HC for China, I use Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers beef at 20% or if she's really low (like below 30) I might use FF Wild Salmon Tuscany in a Savory Sauce (23%) and/or add some Karo/honey/syrup to her food

It all depends on learning how YOUR cat responds to carbs. There's no one pat answer for every cat.

There's a good list of foods on Dr. Lisa's site, but it doesn't include every possible variety of every brand of food. What I suggest to most people is they buy a few cans of each and take a magic marker and label the top with the carb % ....that way you don't accidentally give the wrong thing and can start gathering data on what works best for Mouzer when the time comes that you might need it.

Learning to "steer" with diet is a complicated thing and not everyone has the time or the experience to explain it properly, so that may have come across in the wrong way. I assure you everyone here is only trying to help you and Mouzer learn what you need to know so that you can eventually make these decisions pretty much on your own.

The idea of this board is to teach you how to care for your own cat, not dictate to you what you should do every minute of the day. Nobody has the time for that since we're all dealing with our own cats, our own families and our own lives. The best thing we can do is teach you how to take the best care of Mouzer that you can....but again, if we try to teach you everything at once, we've found it just confuses a lot of people and makes them think they'll never be able to learn it all.

I hope you'll continue to ask questions and learn....it was about a year before I felt like I understood all the concepts well enough to take China's life into my "own hands" and start making my own decisions without the help of the people here. There is so much to learn about controlling this disease! If you have read through the "sticky's" on the top of the forum, you've gotten a taste of how much there really is.....and of course the "stickys" don't take into consideration that your cat may react differently!
 
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Cherryl, the high carb (HC) food I have on hand is the Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers, the medium carb food is the Fancy Feast Grilled variety, and LC is the Fancy Feast Classic Pate. I've only had to use the HC food a few times so far. I wrote a big MC and HC on the different varieties so we don't feed Callie one of those accidentally.
 
Cherryl, the high carb (HC) food I have on hand is the Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers, the medium carb food is the Fancy Feast Grilled variety, and LC is the Fancy Feast Classic Pate. I've only had to use the HC food a few times so far. I wrote a big MC and HC on the different varieties so we don't feed Callie one of those accidentally.

Thank you
 
Cherryl

I'd just like to add that our kitties are so much more than just their numbers. So it is important to know how Mouzer is feeling, if he's eating, peeing, pooing, playing, etc. We used to ask for a "well cat report" which included th 5Ps...peeing, pooing, purring, playing, and preening.

And Chris is right that the more questions you ask, the more you learn. Like Jill, I am also a proponent of members recognizing when their knowledge has reached a limit and someone else might know more.

As you know, just like with text messages, sometimes the questions are unclear or the intended meaning is not correctly interpreted. But I do know everyone here cares and wants to help.
 
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