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Cherryl & Mouzer

Cherryl & Mouzer

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5/30 - http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/5-30-mouzer-amps-419.178595/

AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
+4 / 181
+6 / 196
+8 / 202
+10 / 223
PMPS / 326 / 1u
+2 / 312


Mouzer was ready to eat, as soon as I woke, at 4am, which is two and a half hours before AMPS.
I gave him a teaspoon of his food, which I always add water, because he loves that.
He is a good kitty. Purrs while I warm his ear, says ouch, when he gets stuck with the lancet, I kiss him and apologize.
I tell him, that little bit of blood is all I need and thank you.
He likes the pressure to ear and the neosporin pain relief applied.
He waits patiently, knowing his breakfast is next.
I give him his brekky with Zobaline and Urinary Tract Support, smashed up with water, making it all soupy, the way he likes it.
He slurps and eats, while I administer his shot.
He will be peeing, after brekky, as a norm.
He is acting just fine. I just hate watching him walk, but he is walking better, somewhat, just a funky kind of walk with his back legs.

Thought I would give a full report on Mouzer, this morning, to have for record.
 
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+3 / 130

I would just add this to the first post and not make this bump ahead of others but I think this is watchable.
I was wanting a +2 today but I couldnt get back to the house fast enough.
Mouzer is eating, right now, and I will check this again at +4
Maybe he is adjusting now, from being off of the 3u and 2u he was on before pm last Thursday, and maybe he isnt going to need 1u for a regular dose.
I could hope so.

Mouzer was on
2u for seven days - as per vet
3u for four days - as per vet
2u for two days - as per a worried Mom (me)
and now 1u for six days, as of am shot, with one pm shot skipped, within these six days - as per SLGS Method
 
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Kris & Teasel said:
Whew! Big drop! Sure looks like the 1 u is more than adequate. It'll be interesting to see how he does today.
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I have an appointment at noon tomorrow, to leave the house at 11:30am EST
I dont need troubles with this now - like not now! I cant cancel that appointment.
I will monitor him throughout today and see how he is at pmps
And the vet, we had, still thinks he should be on 3u and telling me not to monitor and he will monitor once a week until we figure out the right dose.
I do believe Mouzer would be dead by now, if he had that vet.
 
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Cherryl said:
I have an appointment at noon tomorrow, to leave the house at 11:30am EST
I dont need troubles with this now - like not now! I cant cancel that appointment.
I will monitor him throughout today and see how he is at pmps
And the vet we had still thinks he should be on 3u and telling me not to monitor and he will monitor once a week until we figure out the right dose.
I do believe Mouzer would be dead by now, if he had that vet.
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You'll be fine, Cherryl. Today's data will be helpful. I've been stuck in a spot before where I had to leave and my guy was too low for comfort so I just fed him some high carb gravy food before I left and crossed my fingers. He was fine.

This is why we're all such big fans of testing and using a SS here. This is how you know what your kitty is likely to do so you can be prepared and plan ahead.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
You'll be fine, Cherryl. Today's data will be helpful. I've been stuck in a spot before where I had to leave and my guy was too low for comfort so I just fed him some high carb gravy food before I left and crossed my fingers. He was fine.

This is why we're all such big fans of testing and using a SS here. This is how you know what your kitty is likely to do so you can be prepared and plan ahead.
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Ok - LC, MC and HC food should arrive here today by 8pm - usually arrives in the middle of the day.
I have LC but will be needing more, so added that to my order, while getting the MC and HC together for possible emergency.
I am glad I got here to find out that I need to be doing my own readings and I did make a decision to take a couple of credit cards on to the max over Mouzer's needs - But I could have been not doing readings, all along, and we would be in bad trouble, right now - or could be - and would have been, if I stuck with the vet's dose.

I will be taking another reading here shortly and come back with it.

I would like to ask - Mouzer has done big drops, from the amps and given 1u, each day. Do you happen to know what causes such big drops? And then he could flatten out, at this time, like he has done, for the most. But I am curious what the huge drop after the morning shot is caused by. He doesnt seem to be doing those huge drops after the pm shot.
 
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Cherryl said:
5/30 - http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/5-30-mouzer-amps-419.178595/

AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
He is acting just fine. I just hate watching him walk, but he is walking better, somewhat, just a funky kind of walk with his back legs.
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Hi Cherryl, My Ricky has neuropathy too. I am wondering looking at Mouzer's SS how was it determined to start dropping the dosage? It looks like he was on 2u and 3u without much testing, then he was dropped to 2u for two days and then down to 1u. Between 5/20 to 5/26 you don't show any tests to explain why the decreases were done. Was he being tested in the hospital?

Just curious because I'm new here, and have been struggling with increasing doses trying to get Ricky into the blue numbers.
Pam
 
Cherryl said:
Ok - LC, MC and HC food should arrive here today by 8pm - usually arrives in the middle of the day.
I have LC but will be needing more, so added that to my order, while getting the MC and HC together for possible emergency.
I am glad I got here to find out that I need to be doing my own readings and I did make a decision to take a couple of credit cards on to the max over Mouzer's needs - But I could have been not doing readings, all along, and we would be in bad trouble, right now - or could be - and would have been, if I stuck with the vet's dose.

I will be taking another reading here shortly and come back with it.

I would like to ask - Mouzer has done big drops, from the amps and given 1u, each day. Do you happen to know what causes such big drops? And then he could flatten out, at this time, like he has done, for the most. But I am curious what the huge drop after the morning shot is caused by. He doesnt seem to be doing those huge drops after the pm shot.
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Re food: if I need HC food and don't have any in my cupboard, I just add about 1/8 tsp honey to the LC food and make a note on the SS about that so I see how it worked the next time I need to do something like that.

Re big drops: a Lantus curve can be more "smile-shaped" when the BG numbers are in a higher range. When they come down because the dose is a bit higher, the curve can become shallower and eventually become almost flat. It's also quite common for daytime cycles to look different from night time cycles. It's almost impossible to give specific reasons because insulin is used in very complex processes in the kitty's body and as we say here - ECID (Every Cat Is Different).
 
PamJV said:
Hi Cherryl, My Ricky has neuropathy too. I am wondering looking at Mouzer's SS how was it determined to start dropping the dosage? It looks like he was on 2u and 3u without much testing, then he was dropped to 2u for two days and then down to 1u. Between 5/20 to 5/26 you don't show any tests to explain why the decreases were done. Was he being tested in the hospital?

Just curious because I'm new here, and have been struggling with increasing doses trying to get Ricky into the blue numbers.
Pam
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@PamJV
Are you able to scroll the SS way over to the far right side?
There are notes there, but I do not know if those notes show up for everybody or if they just show up for me???
The 2u starting was as per vet, upon diagnosis, with 463 read. Following week, second vet visit, was 371 read and he took it to 3u. Several days later, after being in this forum, I got chicken and took it back to 2u. A couple of days later, I lost my vet and took on to follow this forum, so I can get my own curve to present to a new vet, so he was taken to the 1u. I am hoping we can take him to a lower dose. I have my own meter now.
But let me know if you can see those notes way over to that far right side, or not. Just so I know :)



Kris & Teasel said:
Re food: if I need HC food and don't have any in my cupboard, I just add about 1/8 tsp honey to the LC food and make a note on the SS about that so I see how it worked the next time I need to do something like that.

Re big drops: a Lantus curve can be more "smile-shaped" when the BG numbers are in a higher range. When they come down because the dose is a bit higher, the curve can become shallower and eventually become almost flat. It's also quite common for daytime cycles to look different from night time cycles. It's almost impossible to give specific reasons because insulin is used in very complex processes in the kitty's body and as we say here - ECID (Every Cat Is Different).
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Thank you for the honey tip. I do have that on hand. And I get it, several things as factor for these drops.
Hopefully we will get a normal flow, so I dont have to worry so much.
 
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Yes, you'll get to a point where you'll see how Mouzer responds, even if he's ends up being an erratic cat. So far, it doesn't look that way from the SS data you have. You'll be able to predict fairly well where he might be headed on a given day and you'll see how he reacts to food interventions. You'll end up being able to have a game plan for most situations and that will give you peace of mind. All this takes time and data. :)
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Yes, you'll get to a point where you'll see how Mouzer responds, even if he's ends up being an erratic cat. So far, it doesn't look that way from the SS data you have. You'll be able to predict fairly well where he might be headed on a given day and you'll see how he reacts to food interventions. You'll end up being able to have a game plan for most situations and that will give you peace of mind. All this takes time and data. :)
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OK - And I do have a question way up there - asking if I should continue hourly meter checks or if it would be ok to do two hour checks now.
I will do hourly, if that appears necessary, but it is just nice not to have to do this to him, unless I should.
 
Cherryl said:
OK - And I do have a question way up there - asking if I should continue hourly meter checks or if it would be ok to do two hour checks now.
I will do hourly, if that appears necessary, but it is just nice not to have to do this to him, unless I should.
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I think every 2 hours would be fine. His ears will thank you. Seems like he's a very good patient.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
I think every 2 hours would be fine. His ears will thank you. Seems like he's a very good patient.
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OK Great and Thank You for responding so fast on that one.
He is a very good patient. He is so sweet, it makes me be a little more cautious as to what I do.
You know, dont run over him, just because he is so good. I treat my animals like people, if not better :)
Which I do believe anyone, who loves their kitties and doggies, does that.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Teasel is a really good patient too and I'm very thankful for that. I tell him all the time what a good boy he is!
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There are some here, I would never be able to do this to. I worry over them, because they are only able to be helped with feeding and if medication can be placed in their food. If they ever need anything like this, I would not be able to help them. I love even these and it is going to hurt me, if this situation comes up.

Mouzer has always been very mellow and I am thankful, being as he needs this care. I am closer to the ones like this, but I do love them all.
I am glad your baby is easy to care for. It makes everything go so much better. When there is a kitty who will twist, turn, wire all over the place, with all claws after you, it makes everything so hard and go so wrong. You want to help and they wont let you and that hurts.

I will leave you alone and I need to go use this hour time to get some things done. I do want to check Mouzer every two hours today, up til pmps and to be able to know where we stand with him. Maybe we can at least drop this dose. Tomorrow morning shot will be seven days on 1u, unless we see to take it down for this evening - or well, if he is in the 100's, we might skip another pm shot for him, this time - maybe.

OK I will go and get a little bit of stuff done here. Thank you for taking time with me on this. I did get a little jump in my tummy when I saw that 130 earlier, but I did feel better for the next hour being 181 - that is closer to 200 at least. And I am with the understanding he should be around 100, or so the vet we had did say this much - but I think I will feel better with that number, if this dose is lowered.
 
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I just put a like on all your comments. We are ok today, I think.
Mouzer is just having a better day! And hopefully these kind of days continue.
As is, for now, if this was the pmps - I would not give him a shot.
So, it remains to be seen what he does between now and then.

So, good report day, all the way around, so far!
Oh! Mouzer was totally stretched out on my husband's bed.
You know how they make ya run to them because you think they are dead haha
But he was fine and just getting some rest.

I am mopping my floors and had to stop to do this, so going back to finish.
If he runs like this on up through to pmps, I will just add it to the top.
I just thought to make a new post earlier, to bump up to the top, due to that 130.
I feel comfy now. I will bump up the pmps, like I did last night, being as that is a last read, which I will do a +2 after that one but I am calling the pmps to be the last - unless some numbers freak me out, between now and then.
You all have a good afternoon :)
 
AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
+4 / 181
+6 / 196
+8 / 202
I put this here as an edit, being as I made this post

I know I said I wouldnt make a post until pmps, unless things went awry for Mouzer. But I have been trying to read everything, as I get time. I was just reading about the depot. I was going to ask this over there but it is not open for replies, so I came here.

Are we allowed to share the sticky notes on our website and I have a facebook page for all of these here in my care - are we allowed to share this information around? I would copy, paste and put the link to the message board, for the shares. But I dont want to break any kind of copyright thing, so I am asking if this is allowed. I would like to share all of the sticky notes, if that is allowed.
 
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Cherryl said:
Are we allowed to share the sticky notes on our website and I have a facebook page for all of these here in my care - are we allowed to share this information around? I would copy, paste and put the link to the message board, for the shares. But I dont want to break any kind of copyright thing, so I am asking if this is allowed. I would like to share all of the sticky notes, if that is allowed.
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Because of copyright issues, I'll ask the board Administrator and get back to you.
 
Jill & Alex (GA) said:
Because of copyright issues, I'll ask the board Administrator and get back to you.
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Thank You!
And I could just share the links to them - if they dont want copy paste over - but my experience with most people on facebooks is they dont click to go read. It is like, if it isnt right there for them, they wont bother. But I guess that would be their loss. I do click to go read, when I see links that are interesting and especially to do with things I deal with, with these kitties here.
 
AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
+4 / 181
+6 / 196
+8 / 202
+10 / 223

I felt better with giving Mouzer 1u last night, with 275 at pmps - I was nervous but not too bad.
If he stays down here closer to 200 at pmps, which is in two hours, I am going to need someone to tell me if he should get 1u or if maybe a half a unit, or if to skip shot completely, for this evening. I dont need to have to worry and be up all night, especially tonight. I have an appointment, tomorrow, I cant cancel.

I will put this part here, in case it helps - and there is the SS, of course...
Mouzer was on
2u for seven days - as per vet
3u for four days - as per vet
2u for two days - as per a worried Mom (me)
and now 1u for six days, as of am shot, with one pm shot skipped, within these six days - as per SLGS Method
 
Cherryl said:
AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
+4 / 181
+6 / 196
+8 / 202
+10 / 223

I felt better with giving Mouzer 1u last night, with 275 at pmps - I was nervous but not too bad.
If he stays down here closer to 200 at pmps, which is in two hours, I am going to need someone to tell me if he should get 1u or if maybe a half a unit, or if to skip shot completely, for this evening. I dont need to have to worry and be up all night, especially tonight. I have an appointment, tomorrow, I cant cancel.

I will put this part here, in case it helps - and there is the SS, of course...
Mouzer was on
2u for seven days - as per vet
3u for four days - as per vet
2u for two days - as per a worried Mom (me)
and now 1u for six days, as of am shot, with one pm shot skipped, within these six days - as per SLGS Method
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So far this has been quite a nice cycle, Cherryl. Let's wait to see what PMPS is. My guess at this point is that you'll be able to give 1 u again. He's a cat, though, so he might have his own ideas! ;)
 
Kris & Teasel said:
So far this has been quite a nice cycle, Cherryl. Let's wait to see what PMPS is. My guess at this point is that you'll be able to give 1 u again. He's a cat, though, so he might have his own ideas! ;)
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You think being so close to 200 - 1u wouldnt bring him down too far?
I am just nervous because the way he drops in the am for a 200 drop up there today.
I would be trippin :D

But ok - we will see what pmps is - I prefer he jumps up to 275 at least, but I dont think he is going to do that today.

Since we skipped shot, the other night, I started giving shots at 6:30am est and I am wanting to move them, so I wanted to give one at 6:15pm est, this evening. I am trying to move them earlier so I dont have the question on Wednesday evenings, when I do have to leave the house. When I do have to leave, it is that I leave at 6pm and do not return until 8pm and 8pm is too late to do shot, due to following morning events, so I am trying to move them up to fit where I can give shot at 5:45pm, before I leave the house on Wednesdays. This would make it easy for me.
 
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Cherryl said:
You think being so close to 200 - 1u wouldnt bring him down too far?
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Not necessarily. Often with Lantus, the closer you are to a good dose, the flatter the curve - ie., the smaller the drop after a dose is given. If you want a forecast of what he *might* do after tonight's dose, get a BG test at +2 or +3. If those numbers are a lot lower you might want to do some extra testing. If they're close to or higher than the preshot BG it's less likely that you have a roller coaster ride.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Not necessarily. Often with Lantus, the closer you are to a good dose, the flatter the curve - ie., the smaller the drop after a dose is given. If you want a forecast of what he *might* do after tonight's dose, get a BG test at +2 or +3. If those numbers are a lot lower you might want to do some extra testing. If they're close to or higher than the preshot BG it's less likely that you have a roller coaster ride.
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I wont be able to do extra testing past +4 at the latest.
If he stays down here where he is, I dont think I will do a shot.
I cant stay up to monitor. I would wish I knew a half would be ok but I dont know.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
I've been at this almost 18 months with a very unpredicatable cat, Cherryl. :confused::smuggrin:
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So, within a year, I will be a lot more comfortable? Or maybe even sooner?
Because I need comfort. I am so uncomfy right now, I am doing nothing but waiting.
I am not leaving this Wednesday evening. Maybe next Wednesday, there will be a comfy zone.
 
Cherryl said:
So, within a year, I will be a lot more comfortable? Or maybe even sooner?
Because I need comfort. I am so uncomfy right now, I am doing nothing but waiting.
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You'll be much more comfortable in a couple of weeks. It's also possible that Mouzer will get regulated fairly quickly. Even though it's early days and you don't have a lot of SS data I see very positive signs for him. Don't judge anything by my kitty's SS. He's one of the trickiest cats anywhere.
 
AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
+4 / 181
+6 / 196
+8 / 202
+10 / 223
PMPS / 326 / 1u


I have not actually given Mouzer the 1u, at this moment. I am fixing to.
I think God heard me hahaha
I feel ok with this and will do a +2 and one before I go to bed.

@Kris & Teasel - I hope I have an easy kitty :D
 
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Cherryl said:
AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
+4 / 181
+6 / 196
+8 / 202
+10 / 223
PMPS / 326 / 1u


I have not actually given Mouzer the 1u, at this moment. I am fixing to.
I think God heard me hahaha
I feel ok with this and will do a +2 and one before I go to bed.

@Kris & Teasel - I hope I have a easy kitty :D
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Glad his numbers allow you to give 1 u comfortably. Those evening tests will be good info.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Glad his numbers allow you to give 1 u comfortably. Those evening tests will be good info.
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I was just looking over Teasel's SS - I could not follow that if I wanted to. I see you are in Canada, so I guess that is why for the numbers I do not understand, as far as 19.3, 17.8, 10.2 -- numbers on that order.
 
Cherryl said:
I was just looking over Teasel's SS - I could not follow that if I wanted to. I see you are in Canada, so I guess that is why for the numbers I do not understand, as far as 19.3, 17.8, 10.2 -- numbers on that order.
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Yes, we use different numbers here. You can view his SS in US numbers by clicking on that tab. There's a lot of craziness to be seen! ;)
 
Cherryl said:
Are we allowed to share the sticky notes on our website and I have a facebook page for all of these here in my care - are we allowed to share this information around? I would copy, paste and put the link to the message board, for the shares. But I dont want to break any kind of copyright thing, so I am asking if this is allowed. I would like to share all of the sticky notes, if that is allowed.
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Jill & Alex (GA) said:
Because of copyright issues, I'll ask the board Administrator and get back to you.
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Robert said you could share links to the FDMB.
The stickys in the L & L ISG are updated on a regular basis... some more than others. Linking will provide the reader with up-to-date information.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Yes, we use different numbers here. You can view his SS in US numbers by clicking on that tab. There's a lot of craziness to be seen! ;)
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OH! I must look for that tab. I could see the colors all around, that gave me an idea of something, but that is as far as I really understood. I will go peep around some more.



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Robert said you could share links to the FDMB.
The stickys in the L & L ISG are updated on a regular basis... some more than others. Linking will provide the reader with up-to-date information.
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Ok, Thank you. I can understand, especially being as it gets changed.
 
Cherryl said:
Does this mean reading this low and you gave 3u? Is that what your 3.00 is?
122 / 3.00
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If the 122 was in the PS column and the 3.00 beside that's what it means. I've shot a full dose on a PS as low as 79 before but that's because I have a LOT of data for Teasel. It's not something you'd do early in the game.
 
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If the 122 was in the PS column and the 3.00 beside that's what it means. I've shot a full dose on a PS as low as 79 before but that's because I have a LOT of data for Teasel. It's not something you'd do early in the game.
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uummm As I read what you said, when I got to - because I have a LOT of ... I was expecting another word than data :D
 
Kris & Teasel said:
:woot:!! Actually there's a BOS (Balls of Steel) award presented to people here the first time they shoot on a green preshot.
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You mean this green is a goal?? hahahaha No Way!!!

And I am going to have to go on to bed. I cant stay up for two more hours. I have been up since 4am and I didnt get a nap. I am exhausted. I have to be up at 4am every morning and I keep finding myself saying, I am gettin too old for this heehee Used to, I jumped up at 3am and 4am, up all day, up late hours of the night, no problem --- Not any more!!

I will end with the reads for today and Mouzer is at a safe spot, where I can go on to bed and get some rest. I have a long day tomorrow.

AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
+4 / 181
+6 / 196
+8 / 202
+10 / 223
PMPS / 326 / 1u
+2 / 312
 
Cherryl said:
You mean this green is a goal?? hahahaha No Way!!!

And I am going to have to go on to bed. I cant stay up for two more hours. I have been up since 4am and I didnt get a nap. I am exhausted. I have to be up at 4am every morning and I keep finding myself saying, I am gettin too old for this heehee Used to, I jumped up at 3am and 4am, up all day, up late hours of the night, no problem --- Not any more!!

I will end with the reads for today and Mouzer is at a safe spot, where I can go on to bed and get some rest. I have a long day tomorrow.

AMPS / 335 / 1u
+3 / 130
+4 / 181
+6 / 196
+8 / 202
+10 / 223
PMPS / 326 / 1u
+2 / 312
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Looks fine, Cherryl. Happy zzzzzzz!
 
Don't worry about that red this AM. It's just a little bit of a bouncy overreaction to those nice blues yesterday. So far, this cycle looks like the one on 05 28.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Don't worry about that red this AM. It's just a little bit of a bouncy overreaction to those nice blues yesterday. So far, this cycle looks like the one on 05 28.
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So far, he is in the red every morning, except yesterday. I was really surprised to see that pink for the first of the morning, yesterday. I do not know much about all of this but I am thinking maybe another week of 1u, before putting it all together and making any decisions on change. This one week just doesnt seem to be enough to make a decision, unless you all see enough there to think about changing anything.

I am just going by all of the ups and then yesterday a nice blue day. I hope to see more blue days soon, even though the blue day made me nervous, when it arrived close to time for pm shot, because I am so scared of giving the 1u and have him go lower in the night -- and my worry there is because it is very hard for me to stay awake and to stay up all night and then have to start jumping hoops at 4am is not going to be possible and I have to jump those hoops every day, without fail. So, I am hoping for smooth evenings, most of all.
 
Cherryl said:
So far, he is in the red every morning, except yesterday. I was really surprised to see that pink for the first of the morning, yesterday. I do not know much about all of this but I am thinking maybe another week of 1u, before putting it all together and making any decisions on change. This one week just doesnt seem to be enough to make a decision, unless you all see enough there to think about changing anything.

I am just going by all of the ups and then yesterday a nice blue day. I hope to see more blue days soon, even though the blue day made me nervous, when it arrived close to time for pm shot, because I am so scared of giving the 1u and have him go lower in the night -- and my worry there is because it is very hard for me to stay awake and to stay up all night and then have to start jumping hoops at 4am is not going to be possible and I have to jump those hoops every day, without fail. So, I am hoping for smooth evenings, most of all.
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Cherryl said:
I do not know much about all of this but I am thinking maybe another week of 1u,
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If you need another week to get more accustomed to all this, that's absolutely fine. If you change your mind in a few days, that's OK too and we can help with dose decisions. I see that you're following SLGS. It's worth rereading those guidelines periodically so they're clear in your mind .

Cherryl said:
have him go lower in the night -- and my worry there is because it is very hard for me to stay awake
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So far, he doesn't seem to be extreme in his responses and that's really good. You just need more time gathering data to see what Mouzer's preferences are.

Cherryl said:
not going to be possible and I have to jump those hoops every day,
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Try not to worry about this now. The more experience you get handling this the calmer you'll feel. You can post here for advice any time.
 
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