Weight loss in regulated cat part 3

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Waheeda

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Why are the readings after pmps all pink whereas in the day I do get blues and yellows. Even at 3.2u. I seem to get better readings at 3.0u. Shld I go back to 3?
 
Waheeda said:
Why are the readings after pmps all pink whereas in the day I do get blues and yellows. Even at 3.2u. I seem to get better readings at 3.0u. Shld I go back to 3?
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Those are bounce numbers from the green yesterday. Stay with 3.2 u for another cycles or two to see if the bouncing stops so you can assess the dose better.
 
So the green is for real? :kiss:
It's kinda sudden cos it moves from yellow to green. But if it is I'll take it! Hahaha
The amps was 400+ but I still shot 3.2u. The numbers are going crazy that I'm getting lost.
Thanks to u all for the guidance. Appreciate it. :bighug:
 
How long do they usually bounce? I take it that as his body gets used to lower number, he'll bounce less?
 
Yong said:
Bounces can last up to 6 cycles (3 days) but I'm sure there are kitty's that don't follow this and bounce a little longer or all the time ;)
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Do they bounce the whole day? His nite cycles have been high but I din test yesterday's am cycle so not sure where it stood. Will try to get +5 this am. Hope he stays away from the pink n red. Was looking at your SS n u seemed to get green readings after switching meter. Is this true? Or there was a chge in food?
 
Some kitties, like Kris's Teasel bounce all the time. Started getting more greens when I started cutting Purina DM dry and then transitioning onto Young Again Zero. Paid better attention to wet food carbs too.
 
Yong said:
Some kitties, like Kris's Teasel bounce all the time. Started getting more greens when I started cutting Purina DM dry and then transitioning onto Young Again Zero. Paid better attention to wet food carbs too.
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Would u know if YA helps to reduce or stop the bounce? Any data showing that?
 
Hi all,
Help!!!!
Tested at +5 n it was 219. At +6 it went down to 52. Repeated test. I put some honey on his tooth/gum n fed him FF. will test again in half hr. I guess 3.2u is a bit too high? Scary how he jumped so much within the hour.
 
Went up to 140 in half hour. Scary! Definitely need a lower dose rite? He was free feeding on YA cos I forgot to take it away this am.
 
Waheeda said:
Went up to 140 in half hour. Scary! Definitely need a lower dose rite? He was free feeding on YA cos I forgot to take it away this am.
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I think I'd go down from that 3.2 back to 3. Your cat is very effected by carbs. When you feed him at +2 it is keeping his levels in the 200's... Then the food wears off and it zooms down at +6. If you see that lower number at 6 d(unless it's below 50 of course) don't run for the honey.... It's over correcting him. Hour 6 is most likely the lowest he will be as vetsulin peeks about then (usually between 4-6)... So instead of honey, just a spoonful or two of ff classic if you need to steer unless it dips lower.

If you are willing to give it a go, try my feeding schedule of wet morning and evening and leave the young again food out to graze on. I think it will eliminate the elevated numbers 2-5 hours past shot so it's not that huge dive down suddenly.
 
JanetNJ said:
I think I'd go down from that 3.2 back to 3. Your cat is very effected by carbs. When you feed him at +2 it is keeping his levels in the 200's... Then the food wears off and it zooms down at +6. If you see that lower number at 6 d(unless it's below 50 of course) don't run for the honey.... It's over correcting him. Hour 6 is most likely the lowest he will be as vetsulin peeks about then (usually between 4-6)... So instead of honey, just a spoonful or two of ff classic if you need to steer unless it dips lower.

If you are willing to give it a go, try my feeding schedule of wet morning and evening and leave the young again food out to graze on. I think it will eliminate the elevated numbers 2-5 hours past shot so it's not that huge dive down suddenly.
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I was so worried dat I gave him only 2.4u. First time it went so low. Was tempted to do 2.8u but this am d amps was 400+ n it dived to 50+. So I went on the safe path.
yes definitely will giv ur schedule a try. I thk he's liking YA now.
Thanks for replying fast. Was in 2 minds which way to go with d pmps.
 
I think the 2.4 was a good call for that pmps. Ok...

250-300 2.4
300-350 2.6-2.8
350 and over 3

But monitor it because her needs seem to be changing... And any time you won't be able to, then be more conservative... Ok?
 
JanetNJ said:
I think the 2.4 was a good call for that pmps. Ok...

250-300 2.4
300-350 2.6-2.8
350 and over 3

But monitor it because her needs seem to be changing... And any time you won't be able to, then be more conservative... Ok?
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Yes I'm good with conservative approach. Now I wonder if he will bounce tonite. So below 50 then I giv honey? But he was so famished at +6. Finished off 2 cans. Dats one of the sign of hypo rite?
 
Just thinking aloud. This am I fed him at +2 n left for work. Took his reading at +5 n +6 n it plunged. So if I don't feed him anythg at +6, wldnt it be dangerous? The bowl of YA was with him n I saw him eating it 20 mins before +6. I know vetsulin peaks at +6 but if it goes down another 10-15 mins then he'll be at a dangerous level. So how do I tackle this if I were to feed him wet only twice a day n graze whole day?
 
Waheeda said:
Just thinking aloud. This am I fed him at +2 n left for work. Took his reading at +5 n +6 n it plunged. So if I don't feed him anythg at +6, wldnt it be dangerous? The bowl of YA was with him n I saw him eating it 20 mins before +6. I know vetsulin peaks at +6 but if it goes down another 10-15 mins then he'll be at a dangerous level. So how do I tackle this if I were to feed him wet only twice a day n graze whole day?
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If you decide to go ahead and just leave ya out, let's reduce that dose significantly and see what happens. You can always raise it later if it's not enough. Is that what you want to try? Maybe let's wait until the weekend or a day you are home to try any major changes, ok?
 
JanetNJ said:
If you decide to go ahead and just leave ya out, let's reduce that dose significantly and see what happens. You can always raise it later if it's not enough. Is that what you want to try? Maybe let's wait until the weekend or a day you are home to try any major changes, ok?
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If you are not home until later today, do what you normally do, but lower that higher dose down. You can lower even more if you are concerned. If you want to take those levels you used to shoot 3.2 down to 2.8 instead of 3 then do that!
 
JanetNJ said:
If you decide to go ahead and just leave ya out, let's reduce that dose significantly and see what happens. You can always raise it later if it's not enough. Is that what you want to try? Maybe let's wait until the weekend or a day you are home to try any major changes, ok?
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Yes it will be good if I don't have to come home at +6 to feed him. And I won't worry if cos of work I can't pop by to chk on him. Looks like the YA is really effective in bringing down the numbers. I only put a teaspoon in his wet n he only ate a few kibbles n we cld see the big drop.
But how low do u thk we cld go? Need to find a day I'm home whole day.
 
Waheeda said:
Yes it will be good if I don't have to come home at +6 to feed him. And I won't worry if cos of work I can't pop by to chk on him. Looks like the YA is really effective in bringing down the numbers. I only put a teaspoon in his wet n he only ate a few kibbles n we cld see the big drop.
But how low do u thk we cld go? Need to find a day I'm home whole day.
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I hues it would depend on the preshot.... Do you have any days coming up that you'll be home?
 
Hi @JanetNJ ,
Is it true u Hv to discard the vial of vetsulin after 42 days? The vet did not tell me and I have been using the same vial since Feb. I Hv bought a new vial but it's caninsulin and they said it's the same.
My question is do I reduce the dose when I use the new vial? I can't believe it that the receptionist said d vet is not aware.
 
Waheeda said:
Hi @JanetNJ ,
Is it true u Hv to discard the vial of vetsulin after 42 days? The vet did not tell me and I have been using the same vial since Feb. I Hv bought a new vial but it's caninsulin and they said it's the same.
My question is do I reduce the dose when I use the new vial? I can't believe it that the receptionist said d vet is not aware.
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I've found it lasts a good three months at least, provided it's stored properly. What's up with your cat wanting to stay in pink all night. tell him to knock it off . lol
 
JanetNJ said:
I've found it lasts a good three months at least, provided it's stored properly. What's up with your cat wanting to stay in pink all night. tell him to knock it off . lol
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Phew! So it's ok for 3 mths. I was getting mad with the vets. Yup stored in the fridge all the time. Oh but mine is 7 days after 3 mths. So I shall change tmr.
Ya he's yellow during the day n pink at nite. Must be his favourite colours. Lol! Oh but he din ask for wet food every few hours. Only gave him after d amps n pmps. N he's grazing on YA rest of time. Hope to see improvement in readings soon. Keep paws crossed!
 
It's his best amps yet! Just keep watch since we haven't gotten any data at this level yet. Very exciting progress.
 
Yong said:
Look a that lovely blue for Sunday morning cycle :cool:
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Yes! N most likely on sat at +6 too!
I increased the dose today at pmps by 0.2 from Janet's scale. Hope to see a blue later, paws crossed! Also trying to feed him wet only twice a day as advised by Janet but failed today cos he gave me a sad face at noon.
 
Yong said:
Are you leaving him YA out in between the wet food meals? Those sad faces, they know how to work us! :smuggrin:
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Yes he has YA all day long and he is eating them. Such a relief! I din even take it away from him 2 hrs before test.
When u see his wobbly walk and sad eyes, u just give in to him.
 
Waheeda said:
Yes he has YA all day long and he is eating them. Such a relief! I din even take it away from him 2 hrs before test.
When u see his wobbly walk and sad eyes, u just give in to him.
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Are you giving b12? If you are, can you add it to your signature?
 
JanetNJ said:
Are you giving b12? If you are, can you add it to your signature?
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Janet,
Your recommended scale :

250-300 2.4
300-350 2.6-2.8
350 and over 3

What about 250 n below?

Based on past few days readings, I'm upping your scale by 0.2.

What's the relationship between BG n insulin dose? Is there a formula or graph to refer to? I've been googling with no success.
 
Waheeda said:
Janet,
Your recommended scale :

250-300 2.4
300-350 2.6-2.8
350 and over 3

What about 250 n below?

Based on past few days readings, I'm upping your scale by 0.2.

What's the relationship between BG n insulin dose? Is there a formula or graph to refer to? I've been googling with no success.
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Nope, no formula because every cat reacts differently. 1 unit in one cat may drop the numbers like a stone. 1 unit in another cat may have little effect at all. This is why you need to start low and track the numbers to see how each cat reacts and adjust accordingly. In addition an individual cat may react differently to a dose which is why the dose (scale) needs to be studied and changed often. How the cat reacted to a dose two weeks ago, may be too much or too little today.
 
Waheeda said:
Janet,
Your recommended scale :

250-300 2.4
300-350 2.6-2.8
350 and over 3

What about 250 n below?

Based on past few days readings, I'm upping your scale by 0.2.

What's the relationship between BG n insulin dose? Is there a formula or graph to refer to? I've been googling with no success.
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At a 214 amps 2 units seemed like it didn't take him down enough. Next time he's 200-250 let's do 2.4 and then you are shooting everything else up by.2.

If you can't test though, err on the side of caution. I'd hate for your kitty to hypo when you aren't around to steer.
 
JanetNJ said:
At a 214 amps 2 units seemed like it didn't take him down enough. Next time he's 200-250 let's do 2.4 and then you are shooting everything else up by.2.
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I noticed that too. But he's eating more YA now compared to last week. Not sure how this will affect d BG tho.
I still don't understand the green n lime green of last week. Even tho d dose was a bit higher, he had food few times that morning. His BG shld not Hv dropped that much I thought.
 
Waheeda said:
I noticed that too. But he's eating more YA now compared to last week. Not sure how this will affect d BG tho.
I still don't understand the green n lime green of last week. Even tho d dose was a bit higher, he had food few times that morning. His BG shld not Hv dropped that much I thought.
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Cats like to screw with ya. Lol
 
JanetNJ said:
At a 214 amps 2 units seemed like it didn't take him down enough. Next time he's 200-250 let's do 2.4 and then you are shooting everything else up by.2.

If you can't test though, err on the side of caution. I'd hate for your kitty to hypo when you aren't around to steer.
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What about 130-200? I did 0.8 for 180 before.
Can I say 130-170 0.4
170-200 0.8

Then 200 jumped onwards to 2.4? It's not a linear scale ?
 
Waheeda said:
What about 130-200? I did 0.8 for 180 before.
Can I say 130-170 0.4
170-200 0.8

Then 200 jumped onwards to 2.4? It's not a linear scale ?
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Try it. If you find its not enough then next time you know you can up it a bit.
 
JanetNJ said:
Try it. If you find its not enough then next time you know you can up it a bit.
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It's like playing hide n seek. I up the dosage he came down low. I lowered d dose he stayed up! He's making me nuts! Lol!
Tonite I'll up 0.2 from this am n see how it goes. Mood wise he seems better. Was kissing noses with d Girl and for a chge he hung out with the rest. As long he's keeping around 100-300 his system is not overworked, am I right? He shld be feeling fine? sometimes he din make it to the box eventho it's near him. Is that an additional problem I shld b worried about? I'm not keen to take him to the vet if u all thk it's nothing serious.
 
Hey Waheeda, since it sounds like he's attempting to go to the box but not making it, doesn't seem like any major concern to me. He still heads towards it when he gets the urge but it may come on sooner than he expected. Did you get one of those storage containers to make a lower litter box for him? I would just get some training pads around the box so if he doesn't quite make it, it will be easier for you to clean up. If you notice he is deliberately going outside of the box, you may want to get him checked for UTI. But for now, *I think* it's just him having to go like right now. :bighug:
 
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