12-26 Small Kitty amps 358 pmps 340 +3 236 - Same Dose

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Photorecon

Photorecon

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Good morning all,

Yesterday received beautiful snow fall of nice testimony in regards of the FDMB members and their solidarity / support between each other. This was a warm touch for all of us. Even Small Kitty was touched as he brought up a beautiful green as a Christmas gift. Lucky me he raised allowing me to give him his shot.

Thanks to Carla, she reminded me of this the lowest level he reached (81) was set for a reduction.
But... I gave Small Kitty his reduced shot right away as both kitties started to be impatient after waiting 1h.

Right after supper I went on with reading to demystify the pet meter vs human meter in the application
of the SLGS strategy. Finally, after searching in my old documents I put my hand on what I was looking
for, the research study document that was the base of human insulin administration :

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Management of Diabetic Cats with Long-acting Insulin Kirsten

By : Roomp, MSc, Dr rer nata , Jacquie S. Rand, BVSc, DVSc, MANZVS, DACVIMb, *

*If a serum chemistry analyzer or plasma-equivalent meter calibrated for feline blood is used (eg, AlphaTRAK), the measurements at the low end of the range need to be adjusted and are 30% to 40% higher than for a whole-blood meter calibrated for human blood.

For example, a target value of more than 54 mg/dL (>3 mmol/L) becomes more than 72 mg/dL (>4 mmol/L)

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This is what came up of their study and my original comparison back in
April comparing both human and pet meter.

So for yesterday Lowest level on AT2 level was 81 (4.5) witch translate into 99 (5.5) Human meter.
This means the same dose that brought Small Kitty at ground level is the right one.

The last reduction brought an avalanche of deceptions and regret after having to
go back to the previous dose, don't wan't to go back there. Hope decision is the
right one, for now I'll give some extra food to compensate.

I'm convinced this is the right decision, next days will tell if it's the case.

Wish you all a wonderful day (mine will be at the office shopping for cappuchino machine :))
Sébastien
Yesterday
 
Good morning Sebastien. I don't have any experience with an AT, so I don't have any clue there. I know you are following slgs where the reduction number is higher and with TR it is 68. So, SK should be good. I completely empathize with the frustration of failed reductions. They are no fun at all! Be good SK!
 
Photorecon said:
So for yesterday Lowest level on AT2 level was 81 (4.5) witch translate into 99 (5.5) Human meter
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In Winnipeg we got well over a foot of snow as well as blowing snow. I have just spent 2 hours with the first leg of shovelling...in some places it was half way to my hip where it had drifted. There is more snow expected along with strong winds and more drifting. I am virtually snowed in.

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You actually have it backwards. The AT2 meter reads HIGHER than a human meter. So for instance on an AT2 81US (4.5 mmol) would be closer to a human meter reading of 57 US (3.2 mmol) Remember AT2 68 (2.8 mmol) is about 50 (2.8) on a human meter as stated by R&R. With SLGS the reduction level is 90 US (5 mmol) on a HUMAN meter. Although there is no confirmed AT2 equivalent some of my own comparisons have shown that that would be approximately 65US (3.6mmol) on an AT2 meter. This is using an AT2 meter and doing side by side comparisons with a FS Lite meter.
 
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So jealous of the snow. Don't want it full time, but a nice dusting would be fun. It was almost 80* here yesterday. Hot and humid.

To your AT2 vs. human meter. Just a note of interest:

Gizmo went for bloodwork at the vet on 12/19. His numbers using human meter:
AMPS 262, +1=261, +2=186, +3=101, +4=69, +5=65, +6=70, +8=121 , +9=121, +10=125, +11=138

His blood work at the vets would be around +6.5-+7 and it was run at the laboratory - it was 88. I just thought that was interesting.
 
Good Morning Sebastien ~ Nice to have a white Christmas!

And nice present from SK to give you a green pre shot test last night. The bounce is on.

As far as the AT2 vs the human meter, I chose the human meter because of expense of the test strips for AT2 way to pricy and also the TR protocol was designed for the human meter with safeguards built in. The numbers are closer together when you are in lower ranges are and the difference become larger when the BG's are in higher ranges. I think you can make yourself crazy trying to juggle both of the number differences. That is just my humble opinion.

Hope your day at work isn't crazy busy and you find some cappuccino :joyful:.
 
Tuxedo Mom said:
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You actually have it backwards.
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Outch, think I'm kind of confused but found side by side comparison of the lower scale
from a while back of human vs pet meter.

On marsh 27th at pmps

At2 pet meter gave 3.8 (68.4
Freestyle Lite Gave 2.9 (52.20)

The next day, during a bounce, at pmps :

At2 pet meter gave : 20.4 (367.20)
Freestyle Lite gave : 14.4 (259.20)

Another examples :

AT2 : 18.9 (240)
FSL : 15.6 (280.8)

AT2 : 24.6 (442.8)
FSL : 14.1 (253.8)

AT2 : 22.7 (408.60)
FSL : 14.8 (266.40)

AT2 : 20.0 (360)
FSL : 15.2 (273)

AT2 : 21.5 (387)
FSL : 13.7 (246)

AT2 : 18.4 (331)
FSL : 11.2 (201)

AT2 : 20.4 (367)
FSL : 14.3 (262)

That's why I stop using the FSL meter, I lost faight in the results +
The vet was using AT2.

The first one told me that a good range should be between 3 and 7.
New vet between 5 and 10

What is the conclusion of this ? Think AT2 meter gives high results and
kind of more consistant ? (Must stick with these strips, they are the most
affordable in Canada, take little blood + I have a full load of them.
 
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Photorecon said:
Outch, think I'm kind of confused but found side by side comparison of the lower scale
from a while back of human vs pet meter.

On marsh 27th at pmps

At2 pet meter gave 3.8
Freestyle Lite Gave 2.9

The next day, during a bounce, at pmps :

At2 pet meter gave : 20.4
Freestyle Lite gave : 14.4

Another examples :

AT2 : 18.9
FSL : 15.6

AT2 : 24.6
FSL : 14.1

AT2 : 22.7
FSL : 14.8

AT2 : 20.0
FSL : 15.2

AT2 : 21.5
FSL : 13.7

AT2 : 18.4
FSL : 11.2

AT2 : 20.4
FSL : 14.3

That's why I stop using the FSL meter, I lost faight in the results +
The vet was using AT2.

The first one told me that a good range should be between 3 and 7.
New vet between 5 and 10

What is the conclusion of this ? Think AT2 meter gives high results and
kind of more consistant ? (Must stick with these strips, they are the most
affordable in Canada, take little blood + I have a full load of them.
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Have you experimented with putting FSL strips IN your AT meter? I do that all the time and my same blood drop comparison tests tell me the FSL strip in the AT meter reads higher than an AT strip in the AT meter by about 3 - 7% on average. I just can't afford the AT strips as my regular use strips.
 
A pet meter reads higher than a human meter when testing feline glucose. As the TR protocol says a reduction is at 50 (2.8 mmol) on a human meter which is 68 (3.8 mmol) on a human meter. This was the only number R&R actually verified, but you can see that a pet meter reads higher than a human meter. A pet meter would be closer to the readings that a vet gets on their office testing, but since most people can't afford the higher costs of the pet strips most people are using human meters.

The comparisons you did that you have listed of the AT2 against the FS Lite as very similar to the ones that I got when I did my own side by side comparisons. I also use the FS Lite strips in the AT2 meter and have a variance of maybe 2-3% using this method. THIS IS MY OWN COMPARISONS ONLY>.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Have you experimented with putting FSL strips IN your AT meter?
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That's exactly what I do. My conclusions with what you mention (3-7%) higher were the same.
Have many many pictures so I could remember). So AT2 with human strips are close to FSL meter..
or I'm again totally messed up..
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:)
 
Think I'll make it simple next time Small Kitty runs low. I'll grab the human meter
and that will be the results for reduction / same dose or increase :)

This way there will be less confusion.
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Photorecon said:
That's exactly what I do. My conclusions with what you mention (3-7%) higher were the same.
Have many many pictures so I could remember). So AT2 with human strips are close to FSL meter..
or I'm again totally messed up..
:eek::eek::eek:
:)
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The AT strips and the FSL strips are made by the same manufacturer and are identical except that the AT strips undergo special extra batch testing to make sure they give an accurate reading in the AT meter when it's set at the proper cat code for that vial of AT strips. This special testing is why they're so much more expensive, well part of the reason anyway ...

I have a FSL meter but I never use it. I only put the FSL strips in my AT meter.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
The AT strips and the FSL strips are made by the same manufacturer and are identical except that the AT strips undergo special extra batch testing to make sure they give an accurate reading in the AT meter when it's set at the proper cat code for that vial of AT strips. This special testing is why they're so much more expensive, well part of the reason anyway ...

I have a FSL meter but I never use it. I only put the FSL strips in my AT meter.
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Think our kitties would be good buddies, they are both DKA survivors, at the same date !
Most probable difference is that I could not afford ER so did this at home with almost no
sleep for 3 days.

Sounds that you apply the SLGS as if you were using a human meter ? or almost.
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Photorecon said:
Think out kitties would be good buddy, they are bot DKA survivors, at the same date !
Most probable difference is that I could not afford ER so did this at home with almost no
sleep for 3 days.

Sounds that you apply the SLGS as if you were using a human meter ? or almost.
.
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I'm doing whatever my bouncy, unpredictable, unregulated kitty will let me do. He started on Lantus after diagnosis and it didn't go well. He ended up in DKA and I switched to ProZinc after that. I finally joined FDMB because I wanted to be more in control of things and he's still challenging. I wasn't doing things the FDMB way when he was on Lantus, just following my vet's instructions. I might decide to try it again - still thinking about that.
 
Tuxedo Mom said:
In Winnipeg we got well over a foot of snow as well as blowing snow
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Our beautiful snow is currently being melted and freezing into a very nice coat of
ice on all sidewalks and many streets in Montreal. Had to walk in the street to get
home so icy it was on the sidewalk, It's raining like if we were in spring... :confused:

Small Kitty is enjoying the rain outside :)
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