ASAP Dosing, won't eat after surgery

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Colin is the opposite. He wouldn't touch it now gobbles it up. Hope Murphy gets back to it. Is he still doing well with the canned venison food?
 
Sharon14 said:
Colin is the opposite. He wouldn't touch it now gobbles it up. Hope Murphy gets back to it. Is he still doing well with the canned venison food?
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just bought some miralax. So how much water do I dissolve the 1/8 tsp in? The directions for a human would be 4-8 oz., I wouldn't get that much water in him,
 
Sharon14 said:
Colin is the opposite. He wouldn't touch it now gobbles it up. Hope Murphy gets back to it. Is he still doing well with the canned venison food?
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Murphy was the same - I had to force feed it to him for a week or so - then he loved it for 2 months, now suddenly he won't eat it
 
woodsywife said:
@Sharon14 Yes it is lonely. Sharon your doing great with Colin. When I don't hear from someone there I'll post in main thread or mostly use my own judgement because by then it's to late. Sometimes I think I've been blacklisted because I won't choose a protocol.
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@woodsywife ,@Sharon14 I am sorry you are having trouble getting advice on the Lantus forum. The best thing I know to do is to call attention to your thread with a question mark or caps in the title. I was not in favor of consolidating the Levemir and Lantus forums (though no one consulted me :p ) because I thought it would be too large and people would get lost - which they do. But there were some politics involved and it was rather messy. And it's done....

Other than that, you can print off the protocol you want to use and follow it as printed. It is very clear in terms of when to reduce and when to raise the dose. I think the issue for previous ProZinc users is shooting at the lower preshots. We can't do that as ProZinc doesn't get flatter, longer cycles and later nadirs. So, if you are used to ProZinc, it seems very scary to shoot into a 120, for example. But if your nadir is not low enough for a dose reduction, and you have the data, it is the prescribed course. Basing the dose completely on the nadir is also hard for ProZinc users to wrap their heads around. But, their protocol does work. And if you follow the SLGS protocol, they should continue in safe numbers.

I do think, many times, doing the TR protocol results in low nadirs and bringing them up often with food. That works for lots of people and has been shown to be a clear path to remission for lots of kitties. But I understand perfectly if that is not the way you want to deal with this. If I had to use one of the L insulins, I would choose SLGS.
 
Thanks Sue, I did use the question mark and I have printed the protocol and try to use it, although last time I changed my dose I was told I did it wrong:( There are some people there that answer me if they're online, and I think I probably should get more aggressive in my posts, but that's just not me. I'll deal with it and if I ever have a real emergency, I'll post in health. Thanks again and WELCOME BACK!
 
The only other idea I have is to tag the person who seems willing to help (I think Lu and Grayson were one of the people and she not only changed from ProZinc, Grayson was a high dose kitty (@Grayson & Lu ) if you tag someone with the @ sign and their sign in, they should get an email. Maybe Lu has some ideas for other people you could tag. If you can get someone to watch for your posts, that would be ideal.

Like I did here with you: @Sharon14
 
I hope things get better Sharon! I think, as Sue said, the forum may just be too big. It's so easy for posts to get lost. But, it is done, so now we live with it! :)
 
@Sue and Oliver (GA) , thanks for the insight. I have tried everything to print out the protocol from my kindle fire but it just won't print. My pc has GA and can't get another just yet. I keep reading it, there is so much in between jargon that throws me off. I've been writing it out but not finished yet. I need easy steps. If BS is this than do this, etc. But yet Smokey still does not seem to fit with it. Maybe I need to ignore his day 5 wonkiness all together. I know the protocols work as it is proven by all the remission and regulated kitties. But then there are a few that need tweaking, Smokey is one of them. That is where the problem is. First question asked is what protocol are you doing? Change to human meter. Change to FF food. Sorry can't help you. I honestly do understand. But if I'm not sure of shooting and BS is (example) 78. Does it really matter what protocol? It's either to low or not regardless.

Please don't get me wrong here. I'm so grateful for the board. I've learned so much. Smokey is better because of it. If I hadn't found this site that first night Smokey probably wouldn't have survived the night. If he did I wouldn't have known the dose was to high and would have just keep giving Smokey his insulin and go about my business. But there are times I felt like i was being scolded for not following protocol strictly. I don't want Smokey having these high bounces by doing TR. Yet when I did say SLGS I was told no do TR it's better and faster.

Thanks for your suggestions, I will make sure I get someone attention when I need to.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Paula, I am so sorry that you are left hanging like this. I wish I understood Lantus to be able to help you. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. You know how squeak, mamma!
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I think it's a matter of understanding Smokey. Considering he was in the blues yesterday, he was just moping. When in the yellows he is playing with his toy even if it only for a minute. Wouldn't he feel better in the blues??? He has got things backwards.

Of course this morning in the red he is hiding.
 
I think Sharon might have hit the nail on the head about their bodies getting used to functioning in higher numbers. I know when my diabetic mom is low she feels punky. I can just about always tell what color range I am going to get when I test Bubba. When he is in the lower yellows he minds the poke. When he is pink and above, doesn't flinch.
 
Vet said can either give 1/2dose or none. I guess I'll see what his numbers are that AM. What did you do Bobbie? I dread not being able to feed him, he's so pitiful, cries and tries to stand on his hind legs if I'm just too slow getting breakfast to him.
 
When Bubba had his dental (Sept) with the old vet, he said feed him 1/2 of what he would get and 1/2 of the insulin dose the morning of because my feeding time was 6:00 am. He then scheduled Bubba for early afternoon and said the food wouldn't be an issue then. Apparently cats process faster than dogs.

With the eye surgery, with the new vet, he said to feed and dose normally the morning of and he would schedule him around 9:30 AM . They did tell me that he throw up right after they administered the anesthesia. Projectile vomiting, they said it was epic! Also they said that cats tend to throw up right after the anesthesia and dogs usually will throw up when they are coming out of anesthesia. Funny how each vets protocol is different with anesthesia and diabetic cats. Kind of like Gastro docs with their instructions prior to colonoscopies. (I'm giving away my age now )​
 
Colin is supposed to be the first one that AM, and no food after 10PM the night before. I hate to skip the insulin because he's on a high dose and because of the way Lev works, but I may skip, or at most give a small dose.
 
Sharon14 said:
I like yellow and blue too, wish Colin did. Maybe after his dental on Tues...
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Good luck with dental. I'm sure it will help.

Question for anyone-- what can I use for gingivitis or any other dental issue on Smokey? Do not know if he ever had cleaning down, but I doubt it. He does have gingivitis but vets don't want to do any dental cleaning because of age and diabetes. The will not do anything that requires anesthesia.
 
woodsywife said:
Good luck with dental. I'm sure it will help.

Question for anyone-- what can I use for gingivitis or any other dental issue on Smokey? Do not know if he ever had cleaning down, but I doubt it. He does have gingivitis but vets don't want to do any dental cleaning because of age and diabetes. The will not do anything that requires anesthesia.
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Have you tried brushing Smokey's teeth with one of the finger brushes and fish flavored toothpaste? (except, make sure the toothpaste has no sugar)
 
woodsywife said:
Question for anyone-- what can I use for gingivitis or any other dental issue on Smokey?
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Will he let you brush his teeth either with a tiny toothbrush or a rubber finger type thing (don't know the official name of them)? I use my organic toothpaste and DE. I just started the DE on me and the animals. Just have to be careful that it is wet on the toothbrush or finger thing so they don't inhale the dust. My dogs love my old Sonic battery toothbrush but the cats aren't too crazy about it...yet!
 
Merlin said:
Will he let you brush his teeth either with a tiny toothbrush or a rubber finger type thing (don't know the official name of them)? I use my organic toothpaste and DE. I just started the DE on me and the animals. Just have to be careful that it is wet on the toothbrush or finger thing so they don't inhale the dust. My dogs love my old Sonic battery toothbrush but the cats aren't too crazy about it...yet!
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Would love to be a mouse in your house at oral hygiene time! LOL ;)
 
Good point...and yes, I would brush the teeth first before playing with the kitties.
 
What is DE? I've tried using wet gauze to get him use to it, but he would have no part of it. I'll to try again.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Welcome back Lynn! How was you vaca? And how did the cats do in your absence? And Happy belated Birthday to you!!:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
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Thanks Bobbie! Vacation was wonderful and Rupert did fine with his care taker. He only did one fur shot, I was very proud of him! Rupert was running high, but that is normal for him. I will adjust his dose, but things have been hectic around here and I want to start on a calmer day when I can test more. How is Bubba doing? Sending healing vibes for Bubba here! :bighug:
 
I have been trying to brush Ruperts teeth also, he likes the taste of the toothpaste, but hasn't been to keen on the brush or my finger with the doohickey thing in his mouth! I am going to keep trying though, maybe we will have some success eventually! At least it makes his breath smell better! lol
 
woodsywife said:
@Bobbie And Bubba , how is Bubba doing?
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Hey Paula, he is doing really well after the getting stuck under the on Saturday. It might have set his healing back a day. The vet told me yesterday when he called me ( a vet who calls on Sunday!!) that I might start seeing him paw at the side of the cone because the site will start itching for the healing and sure enough this morning I noticed him doing just that. He hasn't had any buprenex since Sat. morning as per the vet and his numbers have been down so I am fairly confident that he isn't in any pain.

When I take the cone off her him to eat, he tries to swat at the site so, I have to be like a pin ball machine and flap that paw back down. He appetite only waned right after surgery and then he was back on his feed. And he finally pooped!!! Think getting him off the bupe helped with that.

Wednesday he goes back to the vet and hopefully we can ditch the cone of shame because that boy is a bad driver with it on and gets stuck on pieces of furniture and I have to rescue him.

How is Smokey doing?
 
CatX4 said:
Thanks Bobbie! Vacation was wonderful and Rupert did fine with his care taker. He only did one fur shot, I was very proud of him! Rupert was running high, but that is normal for him. I will adjust his dose, but things have been hectic around here and I want to start on a calmer day when I can test more. How is Bubba doing? Sending healing vibes for Bubba here! :bighug:
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So glad you vaca with sisters and mom was good. And good job with your care giver! It's always hard to get back into the saddle after some time off. Welcome back!!
 
My vet is open on Sunday until 2PM. So I can believe yours called.

How about using one of those inflatable collars the have now? It won't be so bulky but yet keep him from scratching.

Smokey is in his own world. Mid 400's this morning. I think he is having trouble seeing now. If I have a treat in my hand he can't seem to find it. I get all slobber ed when he tries. But he can find his bowl and walk through house with no problems. He doesn't quite clean his bowl, he pushes everything to opposite side then I have to turn the bowl.
 
woodsywife said:
My vet is open on Sunday until 2PM. So I can believe yours called.

How about using one of those inflatable collars the have now? It won't be so bulky but yet keep him from scratching.

Smokey is in his own world. Mid 400's this morning. I think he is having trouble seeing now. If I have a treat in my hand he can't seem to find it. I get all slobber ed when he tries. But he can find his bowl and walk through house with no problems. He doesn't quite clean his bowl, he pushes everything to opposite side then I have to turn the bowl.
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Ah, I am sorry to hear about his sight. Is there any signs of cataracts. The new vet showed me pictures of cats with cataracts and it makes like a star in the eye. I can't remember the name of the cataract but it sounded like "star"
 
I'm sorry if Smokeys having sight problems. I have a few cats that don't seem to see the treat in my hand though, and I always thought it was more of a smell thing. I know if they catch a mouse and it doesn't move they don't seem to see it they just sniff around looking for it. If it moves though...! Has he always slobbered like that? Maybe it is a tooth problem, which may explain the high numbers too. My cats all have problems with food getting caught in the 'corners' of their round bowls. I have to constantly spoon it back out to the center.
 
I turn the dish for Merlin too. When I was on vacation, I decided not to tell the pet sitter that I do that just in case she thinks I am nuts. She has three cats and fed them dry food. I sent her catinfo.org and she started switching the next day. Now she probably wouldn't think I was nuts. Or are we all nuts around here?

Welcome back Lynn. Glad everything went ok with Rupert while you were gone.

Bobbie And Bubba said:
Hey Paula, he is doing really well after the getting stuck under the on Saturday.
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So I am curiuos what he got stuck under?
 
Merlin said:
I turn the dish for Merlin too. When I was on vacation, I decided not to tell the pet sitter that I do that just in case she thinks I am nuts. She has three cats and fed them dry food. I sent her catinfo.org and she started switching the next day. Now she probably wouldn't think I was nuts. Or are we all nuts around here?

Welcome back Lynn. Glad everything went ok with Rupert while you were gone.



So I am curiuos what he got stuck under?
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Oh, I forgot the word "Bed" with the cone of shame. The bed had lower rails and he got wedged and flailed around and bumped the surgical site and it starting bleeding a bit. He's good now...scary for the momma bean.
 
Next vet visit I have to ask about the eyes. I forgot last time. I can't tell. I tried looking but no can't tell.

I bet it was scary for you and him. He was cursing that cone.
 
Poor Bubba, I bet he was not happy being stuck under the bed. Luckyily you found him and he didn't injure his eye. Good he pooped finally! :)

Sorry to hear about Smokey's eyesight, but they do really well even with poor sight, my caretaker has a blind kitty, Monkey, and she gets around just fine.

Welcome back Sue!

Thanks Merlin, I was lucky to have such a good care giver!
 
Sharon14 said:
Vet said can either give 1/2dose or none. I guess I'll see what his numbers are that AM. What did you do Bobbie? I dread not being able to feed him, he's so pitiful, cries and tries to stand on his hind legs if I'm just too slow getting breakfast to him.
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Hi Sharon - sorry, just checking in and have scanned the thread.

If your kitty hasn't pooped, the Miralax may not do the trick - you may need an enema or two. Grayson was up to 1/4 tsp Miralax BID - just mixed with his FF, added water, and no flavor, no issues. He also had a healthy appetite. Most effective if it's a regular thing. I also did the Zobaline, sprinkled on his food. G was also hypo-thyroid, so he got a daily pill in a dish of freeze-dried chicken treats and he just gulped it down. :)

Pre-surgery or other procedures, the vet school said 50% dose of insulin; no food. They can adjust w/ R (fast-acting insulin) if numbers go too high.

I switched ProZinc to Levemir. ProZinc dose is based on the preshot; Lev on the nadir. G's nadir was usually about +9 or so; later, it was as early as +4-+5.

Specific questions I can answer for you? @Sharon14 ?
 
@Grayson & Lu thanks for checking in. No questions at this time. I was just feeling sorry for myself because I had posted in L&LL forum with a question and had gotten no responses even though I know knowledgable people were around at the time. I figured out a solution for myself and Sue suggested in the future to maybe tag you or someone specific if I need answers. I was wondering about insulin on the day of Colin's dental(tomorrow) but you answered that in your post. Thanks
 
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