Does anyone use Bovine PZI Insulin?

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I am about to get a sample of BCP(Bovine) PZI insulin. Has anyone had any good results with this insulin? In addition, what did you guys pay to get the insulin?
 
Also, where is the best place to give insulin so it gets into the bloodstream more efficiently? I have been giving insulin to Pooper's in his neck area.
 
Each cat reacts to insulin differently. The BCP insulin should be a lot better than the N/NPH you are not using.
Lat November I paid abut $87 for 10 ml. U100 BCP insulin. That included overnight shipping.
I originally go the insulin for my Badger since Lantus and Levemir did not work well. No worked, but as you are seeing, N does not last long enough. Tee BCP was better. However, I did switch to ProZinc and that seems to b working better.
I am now using the BCP insulin for my MurrFee.. He is unusual since he is hig does, was about 18 units Levemir twice daily. I am getting better results with with 13 units Levemir and 5 units BCP.
 
I used bovine compounded PZI with Bob. He did really well with it. He went OTJ after 10 weeks. I paid roughly $50 which included overnight delivery from BCP which is in Texas. That was a 10ml vial of U40 PZI.
 
Critter Mom said:
I think @Elizabeth and Bertie uses a bovine Prozinc-like insulin.
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Yes, I've used a bovine PZI for almost 8 years (not the same PZI as yours but it's the same 'family').
When I switched to it I was told that bovine PZI insulins are good for cats because they are only one amino acid away from a cat's own insulin. And it has been an excellent insulin for my cat.

There are not currently many FDMB members using bovine PZI, but please don't let that put you off. People experienced in using Prozinc should also be able to give you advice and support when it comes to insulin-specific questions, so you needn't feel alone.

Keeping fingers crossed that this is the beginning of positive change for your kitty. :bighug:

Eliz
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I am using the bovine pzi for Bear and getting very good results with it, he is on 3u bid now. We started with the human Pzi but didn't get very good results even at 6u bid he was still pu/pd. I paid $87 for 5ml vial U100 with o/n shipping to Calif.
I just want to let you know you really need to monitor BG's in the beginning, my baby didn't take much from the start & I opted to ere on the side of caution and started low and watched his numbers like a hawk for the first few days.. Very happy with it so far.
 
Carl & Polly & Bob (GA) said:
I used bovine compounded PZI with Bob. He did really well with it. He went OTJ after 10 weeks. I paid roughly $50 which included overnight delivery from BCP which is in Texas. That was a 10ml vial of U40 PZI.
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$50 I could def afford if that is the case. The BCP Pharmacy in Texas is where I got my VET to order the free sample for me. I believe its a 100mL sample. I really do pray it works wonders on Poopers to get his BG to the 90-100 range and stay that way for like 12 hours. The Novalin right now just isn't doing that anymore. A lady that works at my VET office said they usually only last for 30 days. She is kind of against me getting info from people on here. lol. Anyways, I hope it works on him since N only lasts him like 4 or 5 hours and some days giving him insulin doesn't drop his glucose that much. I know one day last week he went from 500s to the upper 100s in like 4 hours before going right back up again.
 
I will def be keeping a close tabs to his glucose the first week or so. I usually check his BG now every 2-3 hours especially after giving him insulin just to see if I can get his BG to drop to the 100s which has been hard lately. I know the Vet will tell me to give him probably 1 unit 2 times a day which I'm sure most of you on here would agree.
 
I had a 10ml vial for Bob. That contains 400 units of insulin (u40). It worked fine for ten weeks (refrigerated) and was almost empty when he went OTJ.
They do make a u100 concentration, so when you get it, make sure to check which one it is.
You will want syringes that match. Novolin is "u100", I think? Do your syringes have orange caps or red caps?
 
Yes I have the Orange caps on mine which are the U100 syringes. Does Krogers sell the U40 syringes? I just thought the U100 ones are better because they have the half markings which would come in handy if I had to drop my shots to .5 instead of 1 unit if it came to that?
 
The free sample of BCP insulin is U100.
If you get U40 insulin later you can still use U100 syringes.
draw up in U100 syringe Units of U40 insulin
1/2 o.2
1 0.4
1 1/2 0.6
2 0.8
2 1/2 1.0
 
You can use the u100 syringes with the u40 insulin (assuming that is what you receive). You will just need a conversion chart. I don't have the link handy but someone will I'm sure.
I'm not positive but I think you can only buy u40 syringes through a vet since it is a "pet only" type of insulin.
 
Larry and Kitties said:
The free sample of BCP insulin is U100.
If you get U40 insulin later you can still use U100 syringes.
draw up in U100 syringe Units of U40 insulin
1/2 o.2
1 0.4
1 1/2 0.6
2 0.8
2 1/2 1.0
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so the free sample bottle is 100 units then? So if his doses change to 1 unit a day then that'll last me hopefully a month. Would be nice though if he would only need 1 unit a day especially if this Bovine insulin closely resembles what a cat produces and therefore will work wonders on him to get his pancreas healed and enough so to keep his BG down slightly under 100 for most of the time.
 
I guess the thing that I don't understand is the U100 syringes which I have now from Reli-on have the half inch increment dosages. If he ends up getting 1 unit 2 times a day to start then why would I need to purchase U40 syringes?
 
U100 means "100 units per ml".
So a 5ml vial contains 500 units. A 10ml vial contains 1000 units.
 
rbrumbaugh82 said:
I guess the thing that I don't understand is the U100 syringes which I have now from Reli-on have the half inch increment dosages. If he ends up getting 1 unit 2 times a day to start then why would I need to purchase U40 syringes?
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You don't have to buy the U40 syringes. If you have U100 syringes and get a U100 sample vial, you're good to go.

If at some time you do get a vial of PZI that is U40 concentration, then you would be able to use the needles you have, along with a "conversion chart" to make sure you get the dose right.

Most vets aren't really "okay" with a mismatch between insulin strength and syringes. That's why we use a conversion chart when needed.
 
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