Yosh is at 134 preshot

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Kris & Teasel said:
Don't worry! We all have that language in our repertoire for use as needed. This is one of those times. See - microdosing is a thing!! I like Janet's recommended scale. What do you think?
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I don't know. It seems by "law" it should be nothing. Or .25? I know for sure I do not want to poke him tonight. This last one was another battle with his other ear. We both need a break. I honestly can't believe I had the nerve to do it this much
 
If you would be more comfortable skipping the shot tonight, that's okay too. You hold the syringe and need to make the decision that you think is best.
 
Stressedcatmom said:
I don't know. It seems by "law" it should be nothing. Or .25? I know for sure I do not want to poke him tonight. This last one was another battle with his other ear. We both need a break. I honestly can't believe I had the nerve to do it this much
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There are people on FDMB who are very experienced in phasing a kitty into a solid remission that lasts. They don't usually advocate stopping insulin cold turkey. You could post on the main forum and ask for help dosing a kitty nearing remission.
 
Stressedcatmom said:
I think he'd be fine on .25 and his evening snack and a few well deserved temptations
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I wouldn't give temptations. Once my cat was low so I gave like 3 temptations.... It sent her up almost 100 points. It's like giving a person a donut. I always gave cold cuts (turkey, ham, roast beef). for a snack.
 
JanetNJ said:
I wouldn't give temptations. Once my cat was low so I gave like 3 temptations.... It sent her up almost 100 points. It's like giving a person a donut. I always gave cold cuts (turkey, ham, roast beef). for a snack.
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I gave him just one and a couple freeze dried chicken things
 
I gave .25 and he ate like a champ and I think it's time for me to leave the house and get some air. Thank you for all of your support and advise. I honestly can't thank you all enough. I have learned so very much from all of you, and I never thought I'd be able to do this, or understand this. You all have helped US beyond measure.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Here's another observation: Yoshi has given you blues since he's come down in dose. Those reds, blacks and pinks at higher doses tell me that he was overdosed and bouncing then.
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I'm really interested in this. What is too much of a dose and bouncing? This may have been the case. The blacks were cat treat invasions.
 
Stressedcatmom said:
I'm really interested in this. What is too much of a dose and bouncing? This may have been the case. The blacks were cat treat invasions.
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Too high a dose can look like too low a dose in that they can both cause high BGs. Here's the thing I wrote to explain bouncing to someone else:

Here's how it works:

  1. BG goes low OR lower than usual OR drops too quickly.
  2. Kitty's body panics and thinks there's danger (OMG! My BG is too low!).
  3. Complex physiologic processes take glycogen stored in the liver (I think of it as "bounce fuel"), convert it to glucose and dump it into the bloodstream to counteract the perceived dangerously low BG.
  4. These processes go into overdrive in kitties who are bounce prone and keep the BG propped up varying lengths of time (AKA bouncing).
  5. Bounce prone kitty repeats this until his body learns that healthy low numbers are safe. Some kitties are slow learners.
  6. Too high a dose of insulin can keep them bouncing over and over until the " bounce fuel" runs out and they crash - ie., have a hypo episode. That's why we worry so much about kitties that have had too high a starting dose prescribed by the vet and the owner isn't home testing.
  7. Many vets have little/no understanding of the bouncing phenomenon.
 
Kris & Teasel said:
Too high a dose can look like too low a dose in that they can both cause high BGs. Here's the thing I wrote to explain bouncing to someone else:

Here's how it works:

  1. BG goes low OR lower than usual OR drops too quickly.
  2. Kitty's body panics and thinks there's danger (OMG! My BG is too low!).
  3. Complex physiologic processes take glycogen stored in the liver (I think of it as "bounce fuel"), convert it to glucose and dump it into the bloodstream to counteract the perceived dangerously low BG.
  4. These processes go into overdrive in kitties who are bounce prone and keep the BG propped up varying lengths of time (AKA bouncing).
  5. Bounce prone kitty repeats this until his body learns that healthy low numbers are safe. Some kitties are slow learners.
  6. Too high a dose of insulin can keep them bouncing over and over until the " bounce fuel" runs out and they crash - ie., have a hypo episode. That's why we worry so much about kitties that have had too high a starting dose prescribed by the vet and the owner isn't home testing.
  7. Many vets have little/no understanding of the bouncing phenomenon.
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Interesting. So the insulin drops the BG and then the cat freaks out and compensates for it, and this combined with the additional unnecessary insulin makes them high? I think? I'm probably way off
 
Thanks everyone! We shall see! I'm scared to say anything! No telling what's going on inside his orange cat body. Hopefully some green
 
You could try a +5 if you really want to see a green. :) Or you could just want until tonight or tomorrow. I have a feeling they are in your very near future...
 
Stressedcatmom said:
I won't be home. I have a feeling if I would of waited a bit he would've been in green. He tried to run with his brother and got on the couch so I figured he was close to green. He gave me a wide eyes look like, "why do I feel so good?!
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I love hearing that!!! I'm so glad he's feeling well! Glucometers are allowed a 20% variance, so really, you could count that 104 as green since 20% lower would have been green!;)
 
108pmps. No insulin, I know. Do you think the .5 dose was too big this am? Maybe his nadir is after 4.5? Gah. It's my first night no insulin and I'm kinda bugging out. I hope he's not at 85794 in the am.
 
Stressedcatmom said:
I hope he's not at 85794 in the am.
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LOL....That cracked me up! It seems there is a trend of low PS numbers tonight (Why didn't my cat catch it??!) You can still without feeding for 20 minutes and test again if you want to try to give a dose. or you can skip and feed.
 
Djamila said:
LOL....That cracked me up! It seems there is a trend of low PS numbers tonight (Why didn't my cat catch it??!) You can still without feeding for 20 minutes and test again if you want to try to give a dose. or you can skip and feed.
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(I'm saying the f word repeatedly) Totally just fed him. Thought it wouldt go up too much if i stalled
 
I'm an English teacher and my typos are because I'm always in a state of panic and either rolling insulin or opening a can or pacing while the phone is in one hand with this damn cat on my back while typing here. No worries
 
Oops...if you already fed, then nevermind anyway. In the future, you can still without feeding, re-testing in 20 minute increments to see if the number rises enough to shoot. You can do that for up to an hour.

Honestly, it's never once worked for me, but it works for lots of other people.

As for the dose, it's hard to say if the .5 was too much or not. I think you'd need to see if this happens again. And yes, it's definitely possible that his nadir was later today.
 
Djamila said:
Oops...if you already fed, then nevermind anyway. In the future, you can still without feeding, re-testing in 20 minute increments to see if the number rises enough to shoot. You can do that for up to an hour.

Honestly, it's never once worked for me, but it works for lots of other people.

As for the dose, it's hard to say if the .5 was too much or not. I think you'd need to see if this happens again. And yes, it's definitely possible that his nadir was later today.
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I just didn't think it would go up enough. Plus his ears are still pricked to the core. Should I give a couple high carb treats and .25?
 
You don't want to push it up with carbs. The idea is to see if he's rising on his own without food influence :). Go ahead and stick with no shot tonight but I would still try to get a reading in a couple hours.
 
I was an elementary teacher (mostly first grade) for 20 years, then I did reading intervention for a couple of years, and now I work at the district level. I just started that last year though, and I really miss the classroom. Trying to decide what I want to do next year....
 
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