What do you think of this new food?

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I wouldn't. It is a water-depleted DRY diet. It may put the renal system at risk due to chronic dehydration. If you've ever had a cat with renal disease, you've seen the long slow decline into a toxic body and feeling ill all the time due to the build up the kidneys can no longer filter out.

It is probably not a good idea for carnivores designed to eat meat which contains a fair bit of moisture.

Using a bit as a treat after testing and shooting is probably OK.
 
There are many of us who have some dry food junkies and they would die before they ate wet. Dogs don't do that, but cats can. Some cannot afford to feed wet 100%. It would cost me $1500.00 a month "just" to feed wet. Millions of cats all over the world eat dry.

I'm not saying i am a big fan of it. I'm just saying you do what you can do. So, you might as well feed the best you can and the healthiest diet. Leave nice cool water out. I never leave dry out for the outdoor strays and ferals without a nice big bowl of water.
 
Wysong is a wonderful company owned by doctors and everything is made in the US and not imported from China, as well as being human grade. Wysong during our last scare about tainted food! I was so glad I was feeding I always fed Wysong in the past and my civvie, Calli (GA) ate Wysong canned and dry. I'm going to order the sample for treats if she likes it. I already sent an email about carbs in their new canned food.

I understand what you're saying George. If the carbs are low and you have water fountains to encourage them to drink, it might be a solution for your healthy horde. My cats always drank a lot from their fountain. I wouldn't want to feed dry to a diabetic though, other than a treat. Thanks for letting us know about it.

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George&Bert said:
There are many of us who have some dry food junkies and they would die before they ate wet. Dogs don't do that, but cats can. Some cannot afford to feed wet 100%. It would cost me $1500.00 a month "just" to feed wet. Millions of cats all over the world eat dry.

I'm not saying i am a big fan of it. I'm just saying you do what you can do. So, you might as well feed the best you can and the healthiest diet. Leave nice cool water out. I never leave dry out for the outdoor strays and ferals without a nice big bowl of water.
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It's actually cheaper, and healthier for the cats to feed a less expensive grocery store brand of canned food like Friskies, Special Kitty, or Sophistacat than it is to feed an expensive dry food. They come in large, 13 oz cans, and when you calculate the cost per oz, it's not as expensive as you might think--certainly not $1500 a month, even with 20 cats. Estimating a little high at 7.5oz of food per cat a day, Walmart's Special Kitty in a 13 oz can (5.4 cents/oz) would cost you $14.85 per day for 20 cats, or $445.50 a month. By contrast, something like EVO usually runs about $26 for an 6.6 lb bag, which is about 25 cents an oz. The canned food is significantly less expensive. If you get a cheaper dry food like Purina, cats usually end up needing about twice the amount of food because of the indigestible content, so you're paying more for the dry food that way, too. Also, you also save money on kitty litter, because you'll find that the amount of waste will lessen quite a bit.

The big problem with dry food and drinking is that no matter how much a cat drinks, it's never compensating for the loss of moisture in their diets, which causes chronic dehydration, which in turn can cause problems like renal disease. I went through this with my Gabby because she was fed a dry diet for most of her life, and I just had had no idea it was bad for her. She drank like a fish, so I never suspected she was dehydrated. However, cats don't have thirst drives like people do. If you see them drinking frequently because they feel thirsty, it means they are already at the point of dehydration. Pet fountains are a little different because the running water encourages cats to drink even when they aren't thirsty.

As for the dry addicts, have you tried any of the tips and tricks Dr. Pierson mentions on her nutrition page? http://catinfo.org/#Transitioning_Dry_Food_Addicts_to_Canned_Food_.

I understand that ferals are also involved, so I'm not trying to say that anyone is a bad person for feeding dry. Just wanted to provide some more information for potential roadblocks to fully transitioning. Sometimes people don't realize how feasible it actually is for large groups of cats until you do some number crunching. A good friend of mine, after hearing the dry food lecture from me a few times, told me that he understood the benefits of the wet diet, but he just didn't see how he could afford the canned food with 8 cats. Once I broke it down for him, and he finally switched, he discovered he was saving significant money from when he was feeding dry before. Not to mention the savings in potential vet bills.
 
More info on Wysong Epigen and Epigen90.

Regular E is 60 meat and 90 is 90% meat in the kibble.

They claim 'Starch" is the real problem so they remove it all. The Carbs are almost non-existent and too small to calculate.

Sizes are for Epigen: 2# bags and 8 # bags Cases come in 16# (8x2# bags) 32# (4x8# bags)
Epigen 90 2# bags or a 16# box

The canned is Ajus and the chicken, rabbit, beef and turkey are low carb which you can see on the food lists here.

If you have to feed dry like me this seems like a great choice.
 
This is a review taken from the Mr. Chewy food sales website regarding Epigen90

" First time using a Wysong product, but found this product to be developed based on good ideology (No Starch), research and experience of Dr. Wysong. However all of this is good from a human perspective, but what does the cat think.
Well we took a chance and got a small 2lbs bag and I must say I started my normal introduction of 10% added to old food, however the cat eat it up so fast. So the next day I just added 100% Epigen 90 and the cats just ate it like their old food. That somewhat surprised me, but it was welcomed. The cats also seem to eat less because they felt satisfied quicker.
Based on my experience I think that this is a great product for those looking to supplement a cat's diet with good wholesome kibble. Even Wysong claims that dry food was a mistake, but Epigen 90 can hopefully give you a much better dry alternative for your cats."
 
Need someone who knows their way around the calculations..

I just rec'd Wysong Epigen 60 and 90 and put it out for the crew. It seems like most are drawn to it and eating heartily.

Here's where I'm trying to understand "AS FED". On the WS website there is a link on the menu bar that says "learn" with the drop down menu you can find a chart with calculations derived from the "DMB". How is this different from "AF" ?

Wysong claims that the lack of starch is the important feature. They do claim that carbs are so low they cannot be calculated.

What say you ?
 
I can't find the "On the WS website there is a link on the menu bar that says "learn" with the drop down menu you can find a chart with calculations derived from the "DMB". How is this different from "AF" ?"
 
From the link provided, the DMB is the same as as-fed. Also, it appears that % values are based on weight %, Janet and Binky's table is based on the % calories for protein, carbs and fat. Janet and Binky's website says on to convert weight percent to % of calories.

Also, note that if you add up the weight % I did for first item in table) it comes to greater than 100%
 
Yes, I have seen that over 100% before on other items and it was explained to me, but those types of things don't stay with me.

One of the questions I had before was, "How do you convert one to the other?"
 
Those white fleshy crab leg looking things with the pink covering in the seafood section I believe are a section of real fish. They look like they would make good treats in small pieces. Anyone use them or know if they are hi in carbs?
 
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