JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
The phosphorus in the food should be listed on the package...
When the cats phosphorous level gets to closer to 5 is when most people start using phosphorus binders.
Weight loss in regulated cat part 4
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When the cats phosphorous level gets to closer to 5 is when most people start using phosphorus binders.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
I see. I just checked burp ingred list and it din say anythg abt phosphorus. But the dry food states 0.8%. Is that low enuf?
JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
Yeah that's OK... As long as it's under 1
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
I don't think brand matters. I got these http://a.co/8PTF70z
Kris & Teasel
Member Since 2016
The really expensive strips are likely meant to be used in a special meter that tests for ketone in the blood. The urine ketone test strips are cheap.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
Vets can usually get the creatnine, bun, and phosphorus in house without doing a full senior blood panel. They will still need a blood sample but not as much and is not very expensive (relatively speaking). Although if you haven't gotten a full blood panel that they send out to a lab done in awhile they may recommend it.
JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
I think that's fine... It's early stage 2. I may go get another blood work done in 4 months to see if the levels are stable. Changing to a lower phosphorus food would help... Once it's over 5 it can start making them feel icky. Add extra water to the food for now and maybe add more bowls and fountains around to encourage drinking.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
We tried royal canin dry food and he seems to be okay with it. He doesn't like the wet food though. Still prefers burp and I couldn't find the phosphorus % in the content list.
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
Might take some work but you could try to contact Burp and ask 
Also, might want to add that to your Signature information for Jebat.
Also, might want to add that to your Signature information for Jebat.
JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
Royal Canin is 23% carb. You are better off with the young again which is 1% carb and the mature zero one is only 0.5 phosphorus.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
It's royal canin renal dry food.
Oh it's not Jebat who's having kidney problem. It's another cat. This cat is not diabetic.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
It's not Jebat. It's another cat.Might take some work but you could try to contact Burp and ask
Also, might want to add that to your Signature information for Jebat.
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
OH ok
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
@JanetNJ @Yong @Kris & Teasel
Hi all,
Need your advice if it's time to up the dose? Why am I not getting a nadir in the evening after pmps? It's always flat. I'm asking cos he's much quieter than last week and I think he's not feeling great. He's keeping to himself so much more the last few days. And what are the signs if he's having a UTI?
Hi all,
Need your advice if it's time to up the dose? Why am I not getting a nadir in the evening after pmps? It's always flat. I'm asking cos he's much quieter than last week and I think he's not feeling great. He's keeping to himself so much more the last few days. And what are the signs if he's having a UTI?
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
Actually, what I'm seeing is a possible reduction in the scale. It's giving lower PMPS and then he's bouncing for PM cycle by staying flat.
I'm sorry he is keeping to himself more and hope it's just a phase
. My big signs for UTI: peeing outside the box, somewhere to get your attention; frequent visits to the box with little or no urine output; extra preening of "that area" (keeping it G rated 
); blood in urine.
Do you add 1-2T of warm/room temperature water to his wet food each meal?
I'm sorry he is keeping to himself more and hope it's just a phase
. My big signs for UTI: peeing outside the box, somewhere to get your attention; frequent visits to the box with little or no urine output; extra preening of "that area" (keeping it G rated ); blood in urine. Do you add 1-2T of warm/room temperature water to his wet food each meal?
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Hi Yong,Actually, what I'm seeing is a possible reduction in the scale. It's giving lower PMPS and then he's bouncing for PM cycle by staying flat.
I'm sorry he is keeping to himself more and hope it's just a phase
Do you add 1-2T of warm/room temperature water to his wet food each meal?
Thanks for your fast reply. He's drinking frequently so I don't think he needs more water in his food. He peed so many times esp yesterday and it was all outside his box which alarmed us cos he has been a good boy days prior to that and we had stopped putting him on diapers. Hopefully it's just a phase.
Oh, a reduction really? I had increased the pmps shot by 0.2u for the past 6 days as advised by Janet. So u think I should reduce it back? I'm really not reading this well
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Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
I look at his pattern over a few days / week. Kitties typically aren't big on drinking from the water bowl, of course there are some, so we add 1-2T of water to wet food just to ensure they get some extra fluids . It has also helped come kitties who had crystal issues. What is your current scale?
. It has also helped come kitties who had crystal issues. What is your current scale?
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
I can tell u he drinks a lot. Even before he has diabetes, he is one cat who likes to drink.I look at his pattern over a few days / week. Kitties typically aren't big on drinking from the water bowl, of course there are some, so we add 1-2T of water to wet food just to ensure they get some extra fluids
This is the scale for amps :
130 - 150 --> 0.2 Preferrably if you can monitor
150 - 175 --> 0.4
175 - 200 --> 0.6
200 - 225 --> 0.8
225 - 250 --> 0.8
250 - 300 --> 1.0
300 - 350 --> 1.0
>350 --> 1.2
And for pmps, I add 0.2u to each range.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
I think you are right. He's bouncing at nite. The am dose can stay but I shld reduce the pm dose even more. Or should I try to reduce both am n pm? Wat do u thk of this ?Actually, what I'm seeing is a possible reduction in the scale. It's giving lower PMPS and then he's bouncing for PM cycle by staying flat.
I'm sorry he is keeping to himself more and hope it's just a phase
Do you add 1-2T of warm/room temperature water to his wet food each meal?
30 - 150 --> 0.2 Preferrably if you can monitor
150 - 175 --> 0.4
175 - 200 --> 0.4
200 - 225 --> 0.6
225 - 250 --> 0.6
250 - 300 --> 0.8
300 - 350 --> 0.8
>350 --> 1.0
I'm open to trying for 3 days to see how it goes.
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
As long as the first range is really 130 - 150 . Could try using the scale for AM and PM for next 3 days and see how it goes. 
. Could try using the scale for AM and PM for next 3 days and see how it goes.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Lol! Yes it's 130 - 150. Ok great let's see how he does the next few days.As long as the first range is really 130 - 150
We have not brought him to the vet since early April, since we hometest him. Is there a need to u think? They will just do the fructosamine test and weigh him. Then tell me he's regulated but not gaining weight so there's something else happening! I can read the vet's mind. Lol!
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
Fructosamine test is a waste of money, in my opinion 
. You could weight him at home if you have a scale. Weigh yourself a couple times for consistency, then pick up Jebat and weigh again. Subtract the difference. Maury's only been to the Vet when I suspected he might be getting a UTI (ended up being behavioural 
) and last week when I suspected pancreatitis (ended up confirmed). Essentially, he only goes if I suspect something else is not right. I manage his diabetes on my own and with the forum 
. You could weight him at home if you have a scale. Weigh yourself a couple times for consistency, then pick up Jebat and weigh again. Subtract the difference. Maury's only been to the Vet when I suspected he might be getting a UTI (ended up being behavioural ) and last week when I suspected pancreatitis (ended up confirmed). Essentially, he only goes if I suspect something else is not right. I manage his diabetes on my own and with the forum
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
What are the signs of pancreatitis?Fructosamine test is a waste of money, in my opinion
Yes after being on this forum, I realise fructosamine test is a waste of money. I feel at ease knowing I can ask anything I'm unsure of here on this forum and there's always someone with good advice. I also think vets don't care for your pets as much as you do. God bless whoever started this forum and for all the volunteers who tirelessly help guide us.
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
For Maury, he had 1 diarrhea overnight out of no where. His appetite decreased and I could not get him to eat any wet food, sometimes he didn't even finish his YA. He was kind of lethargic. His eyes kind of told me "Mum, I don't feel good". Of course it started over a weekend. Checked with my Prozinc buddies about his symptoms and got him to a Vet on Monday morning. There's a good article HERE about it. Unfortunately, the same symptoms can be many issues 
but I was able to rule a couple things out.
but I was able to rule a couple things out.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Thanks! At least I know what to look out for.For Maury, he had 1 diarrhea overnight out of no where. His appetite decreased and I could not get him to eat any wet food, sometimes he didn't even finish his YA. He was kind of lethargic. His eyes kind of told me "Mum, I don't feel good". Of course it started over a weekend. Checked with my Prozinc buddies about his symptoms and got him to a Vet on Monday morning. There's a good article HERE about it. Unfortunately, the same symptoms can be many issues
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
So we've been on this reduced dose for 4 days and his BG is getting higher. This is clearly insufficient insulin? I don't thk the pink I'm getting these 2 days are bounce numbers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm retracing back to 2nd week of June readings and trying back those dosages. Tweaking slightly.
I'm retracing back to 2nd week of June readings and trying back those dosages. Tweaking slightly.
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
Hi Waheeda, haven't seen you post for a while, so decided to check in . I think those pinks were bounces. That 0.8U almost gave a nice dark green. Are you thinking of trying consistent dosing? Jebat's SS looks nice with the yellows and blues
. I think those pinks were bounces. That 0.8U almost gave a nice dark green. Are you thinking of trying consistent dosing? Jebat's SS looks nice with the yellows and blues
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Hi Yong,Hi Waheeda, haven't seen you post for a while, so decided to check in
Thanks for thinking of me. Was going to post but I thought to wait for one more cycle before I check with you all. Last week, I increased the scale by 0.2u and decided to stick to the scale for a whole week hoping he will stabilise. And I was happy cos we din see any pink for 5 straight days. But he was always running a rather flat yellow at night. He din pee as much and din wake me up late night for food which was an improvement.
Today I increased the dose by 0.2u for amps and 0.4u for pmps. I don't see much difference for day readings and I got +3 reading for pmps without much drop. Am a bit lost as to what to do.
What do you think I shld do? Appreciate your thoughts too Janet @JanetNJ
JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
I'd do 1.5.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Hi Janet,
1.5u for both amps and pmps? I'm using u-100 syringe so it's either 1.4 or 1.6. Shall I go for 1.6u?
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Do I use a scale or a flat dose?
This is my scale from today:
Trial 8.7.17
Am. Pm
130 - 150 ---- 0.2. 0.2
150 - 175 ------ 0.4. 0.4
175 - 200 ------ 0.8. 0.8
200 - 250 ----- 1.0. 1.2
250 - 300 ----- 1.2. 1.4
300 - 350 ----- 1.4. 1.6
> 350 ---- 1.6. 1.8
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Oh sorry din know it's your vacation time. Enjoy! I'll wait for Yong' reply but will try your suggestion from tmr.
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
Didn't know you were going on vacation either, Janet! Enjoy!
I'd be curious to see how he would do with 1.4U for AM and PM as long as he's above 200
I'd be curious to see how he would do with 1.4U for AM and PM as long as he's above 200
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Ok let's try 1.6u for >220 and 1.2 for 170-220. If too high, I'll adjust down to 1.4. Wish us luck!Didn't know you were going on vacation either, Janet! Enjoy!
I'd be curious to see how he would do with 1.4U for AM and PM as long as he's above 200
Does Maury poop a lot? Stinky?
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
He had a little diarrhea for a day or two, which was very stinky but it was my fault
. He usually poops once a day, they're normal stinky? lol. When I first got him on YA they were very stinky but that settled down too.Good luck!
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
I guess it's the YA that's causing the stink. And poop is black ? When do you notice Maury to start gaining weight? Jebat seems to be stuck at 4.6kg. I thought with his BG hovering around 100-300, it's quite controlled and he should be putting on some weight.He had a little diarrhea for a day or two, which was very stinky but it was my fault
Good luck!
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Not really charcoal black but more very dark brown.He had a little diarrhea for a day or two, which was very stinky but it was my fault
Good luck!
JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
Just for a couple of days. We are here meeting with 10 of my son's half siblings. We met 2 of them previously, but it's the first time meeting most of the others.Didn't know you were going on vacation either, Janet! Enjoy!
I'd be curious to see how he would do with 1.4U for AM and PM as long as he's above 200
. We are having a good time.
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
By month 4 he had gained almost 2 lbs (little less than 1kg). Last 2 months he gained about 0.5kg. When we started he had dropped down to about Jebat's weight and now he's at 6kg. Hoping to keep him around that weight. . Don't know if the very dark brown poo is from YA, his are I guess normal poo colour. FDMB, the place whwere it's ok to talk about Poo!
. Don't know if the very dark brown poo is from YA, his are I guess normal poo colour. FDMB, the place whwere it's ok to talk about Poo!
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Hi @Yong @JanetNJ @Kris & Teasel and everybody else on the board
After the new dose as advised by Janet, he's showing some blues in the evening! We have gone thru 7 cycles and I will hold this till fri when I can monitor on a new dose. I'm thinking to increase by 0.4u. To push the blues lower. And hopefully see lesser yellows. Do you think it's too much? I feel going up by 0.2u may not be enough.
Another thing that's worrying me is his weight. Why isn't he putting on when his BG looks quite good? He's eating at least 4 cans a day on burp or FF and today he's asking more. He grazes on YA tho I noticed some days he hardly touch it and some days he ate a bit more. His drinking and peeing has improved tremendously. He's grooming himself more and purring. So why isn't he putting on? I really don't want to see the vet about this. I'm bringing in another cat Girl for a blood test recheck cos her ALT was a bit high 3 mths ago. I'm so stressed if she's also sick.
After the new dose as advised by Janet, he's showing some blues in the evening! We have gone thru 7 cycles and I will hold this till fri when I can monitor on a new dose. I'm thinking to increase by 0.4u. To push the blues lower. And hopefully see lesser yellows. Do you think it's too much? I feel going up by 0.2u may not be enough.
Another thing that's worrying me is his weight. Why isn't he putting on when his BG looks quite good? He's eating at least 4 cans a day on burp or FF and today he's asking more. He grazes on YA tho I noticed some days he hardly touch it and some days he ate a bit more. His drinking and peeing has improved tremendously. He's grooming himself more and purring. So why isn't he putting on? I really don't want to see the vet about this. I'm bringing in another cat Girl for a blood test recheck cos her ALT was a bit high 3 mths ago. I'm so stressed if she's also sick.
Yong & Maury GA
Member Since 2017
I think it's safer to stick with small increase. What weight did you want to see Jebat? How many calories are in burp? I am usually not on right now but wanted to test my boy again. Is he losing weight? You've got some really good signs going
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
I was surprised to see your replyI think it's safer to stick with small increase. What weight did you want to see Jebat? How many calories are in burp? I am usually not on right now but wanted to test my boy again. Is he losing weight? You've got some really good signs going
. He was 4.9kg a week before my trip in April. When I came back from my 11 day trip, he was 4.45kg. I wasn't home testing then and his BG was above 300's. I've been weighing him since 3 wks ago and he's stuck at 4.6kg. He used to eat 7-8 cans a day back then but now he's happy with 4. This burp food doesn't indicate caloric content! I called the pet shop and they had no answers for me, even the phosphorus %. The food is manufactured in Thailand as most local brands are. There's no website address or phone number to call. I want him to be 5kg cos right now I can feel his spine. He needs to put on a bit more. He's a tall cat. Ok so I'll increase by 0.2u and monitor a few days.
JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
If he's gotta gain weight and is asking for food I say just give him what he wants, ya know. I think going up 0.4 would be fine as long as you can monitor, but if you feel safer to do 0.2 than so that first for a day or two and see what happens. Glad the numbers look better.I was surprised to see your reply
Ok so I'll increase by 0.2u and monitor a few days.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Just when I was happy with his numbers, he gave me a pink at pmps! It's a bounce? Don't understand why cos he wasn't going low in the day. Oh well, just one of those days.
I think burp has low caloric content cos my other cat lost a bit of weight. I'll just keep giving whenever he asks. Pray hard he'll gain some.
Do you know anyone whose cat has liver problem? My Girl's ALT value has increased since 3 mths ago. Vet hopes it's just scarring cos of age and put her on supplements for a month and retest and ultrasound if need be. Im looking for any forum to hear other people's experience with this. I'm totally swamped - 4 cats with 4 different medical issues.
JanetNJ
Member Since 2016
It doesn't look like a bounce to me.... Just a fluctuation to drive you crazy.Just when I was happy with his numbers, he gave me a pink at pmps! It's a bounce? Don't understand why cos he wasn't going low in the day. Oh well, just one of those days.
I think burp has low caloric content cos my other cat lost a bit of weight. I'll just keep giving whenever he asks. Pray hard he'll gain some.
Do you know anyone whose cat has liver problem? My Girl's ALT value has increased since 3 mths ago. Vet hopes it's just scarring cos of age and put her on supplements for a month and retest and ultrasound if need be. Im looking for any forum to hear other people's experience with this. I'm totally swamped - 4 cats with 4 different medical issues.
I never had liver issues but someone in here I'm sure has. Maybe start a new thread about it and see what people say.
Waheeda
Member Since 2017
Thanks Janet!
I'll start a thread.
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