Vaccines

[jayla-n-Drevon]

I am just posing this for those who are being "bullied" into vaccinating their cats/dogs who have a medical condition. I have worked with many holistic and conventional veterinarians and pets in this country are ridiculously OVER VACCINATED possible causing some of the diseases we are dealing with.

Dr. Jean Dodd was one of the pioneers of these finding-as well and Dr. Goldstein -
Here is a link for those who are interested in avoiding possible complications to their pets. If your pet goes outside a revised vaccine schedule may be appropriate but most of our cats do not go outside and vets absolutely KNOW vaccines last much longer than they are given..... the almighty dollar is a hey motivation.
You can also get a titer test if you have concerns although most states do not recognize a titer for the legal vaccines but they DO recognize a waiver (which includes a diabetic cat with or without insulin)

http://vitalanimal.com/waiver/

If you read the label on a vaccine from any manufacturer, it will inevitably say, “Only for use in healthy dogs, cats, ferrets, etc.” See that “healthy” word? It can be your automatic waiver. The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA-APHIS) approves all drug labels, which include indications (what diseases it’s to be used for), species, dosage, method of administration, etc.

 

[Melanie and Smokey]

Rabies is deadly. There is no cure.
Distemper is HIGHY contagious and deadly. This is a horrendous disease and killed thousands of cats a year. It would wipe out entire shelters in a day. It has only decreased because of vaccinations.
If your un-vaccinated cat bites someone - make sure you know the quarantine laws in your area. Your cat could be spending as much as 6 months in a kennel in a veterinarian's office. Pray you don't live somewhere where they just euthanize. Titers and waivers do not get your cat a get-out-of-jail free card if it should bite when it is not current on rabies.
Cats do not need to go outside to get rabies. One of the more common cases of rabies is a bat getting into a house.
Cats do not need to go outside to get distemper. You can bring it in on the bottom your shoes.

Vets are not all stupid uneducated good for nothing a-holes that are only in it to get our dollars as it seems to be the sentiment on this board a lot lately. Most of them care about animals, care about our pets and want them protected. They've seen pets affected by these diseases and believe the risks associated with the vaccines are not scarier that what our pets face should they contract one of these diseases.

 

[jayla-n-Drevon]

Rabies is deadly. There is no cure.
Distemper is HIGHY contagious and deadly. This is a horrendous disease and killed thousands of cats a year. It would wipe out entire shelters in a day. It has only decreased because of vaccinations.
If your un-vaccinated cat bites someone - make sure you know the quarantine laws in your area. Your cat could be spending as much as 6 months in a kennel in a veterinarian's office. Pray you don't live somewhere where they just euthanize. Titers and waivers do not get your cat a get-out-of-jail free card if it should bite when it is not current on rabies.
Cats do not need to go outside to get rabies. One of the more common cases of rabies is a bat getting into a house.
Cats do not need to go outside to get distemper. You can bring it in on the bottom your shoes.

Vets are not all stupid uneducated good for nothing a-holes that are only in it to get our dollars as it seems to be the sentiment on this board a lot lately. Most of them care about animals, care about our pets and want them protected. They've seen pets affected by these diseases and believe the risks associated with the vaccines are not scarier that what our pets face should they contract one of these diseases.

I agree not ALL vets are "bullies" and many offer a titer as vaccines (even 1 can last a lifetime)
Chances of rabies or distemper are not very high for a indoor cat...yes it is possible but not likely. In the end we have to weigh the risk as our conscious guides.

 

[manxcat419]

You can also get a titer test if you have concerns although most states do not recognize a titer for the legal vaccines but they DO recognize a waiver (which includes a diabetic cat with or without insulin)

The problem is that they don't. Only a small number of states recognize or permit a waiver for the rabies vaccine. The list of where does and where doesn't allow waivers is here https://www.avma.org/Advocacy/StateAndLocal/Documents/Rabies_state_law_chart.pdf Please note, this only relates to the rabies vaccine - as far as I am aware, a number of other vaccines are completely optional even for healthy cats.

 

[jayla-n-Drevon]

The problem is that they don't. Only a small number of states recognize or permit a waiver for the rabies vaccine. The list of where does and where doesn't allow waivers is here https://www.avma.org/Advocacy/StateAndLocal/Documents/Rabies_state_law_chart.pdf Please note, this only relates to the rabies vaccine - as far as I am aware, a number of other vaccines are completely optional even for healthy cats.

you are correct as far as I know--but also as far as I know rabies is the only 1 required by law-in IL anyways-

 

[manxcat419]

I will say, though, that I was shocked to find out how few states actually do accept a medical waiver. I do understand how serious rabies is, but I had always thought that a medical waiver (and to be honest, with a cat in less than good health, we're unlikely to be letting them out to roam where they might be exposed) would cover the requirement just about everywhere.

 

[manxcat419]

you are correct as far as I know--but also as far as I know rabies is the only 1 required by law-in IL anyways-

Here too - rabies is required by law, but the others are at the owner's and vet's discretion. I don't, and never have, vaccinated regularly for any of my cats. I do agree with you that over-vaccination is rife. It's just unfortunate that the law still needs to catch up to the idea that a single vaccine can easily last a lifetime.

 

[jayla-n-Drevon]

Rabies is deadly. There is no cure.
Distemper is HIGHY contagious and deadly. This is a horrendous disease and killed thousands of cats a year. It would wipe out entire shelters in a day. It has only decreased because of vaccinations.
If your un-vaccinated cat bites someone - make sure you know the quarantine laws in your area. Your cat could be spending as much as 6 months in a kennel in a veterinarian's office. Pray you don't live somewhere where they just euthanize. Titers and waivers do not get your cat a get-out-of-jail free card if it should bite when it is not current on rabies.
Cats do not need to go outside to get rabies. One of the more common cases of rabies is a bat getting into a house.
Cats do not need to go outside to get distemper. You can bring it in on the bottom your shoes.

Vets are not all stupid uneducated good for nothing a-holes that are only in it to get our dollars as it seems to be the sentiment on this board a lot lately. Most of them care about animals, care about our pets and want them protected. They've seen pets affected by these diseases and believe the risks associated with the vaccines are not scarier that what our pets face should they contract one of these diseases.

Melanie--I apologize if I sounded like I thought all vets are ****** my vet is a dear friend of mine and I trust him completely--
It is the pets that I see coming to him that have cancer-epilepsy etc... who were just vaccinated a day or so prior with several vaccines and ant him to fix it that angers me. I respect everyones right to choose. I just feel that many people do not realize they have a choice.

 

[jayla-n-Drevon]

Here too - rabies is required by law, but the others are at the owner's and vet's discretion. I don't, and never have, vaccinated regularly for any of my cats. I do agree with you that over-vaccination is rife. It's just unfortunate that the law still needs to catch up to the idea that a single vaccine can easily last a lifetime.

It is changing

 

[manxcat419]

It is changing

And that is GREAT news. I would love nothing more than to see those waivers accepted everywhere, or even a titer in place of a vaccination so that everyone has the chance to make a decision based on the cat's current immunity status rather than a random time-frame.

 

[Larry and Kitties]

http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/rabies-vaccination-should-veterinarians-exempt-or-not
Virginia State Rabies Waiver requirements
http://www.vdh.state.va.us/epidemio...tion Exemption Guidance for Veterinarians.pdf

All my animals are vaccinated for rabies and the distemper combo shot.

 

[Melanie and Smokey]

It is the pets that I see coming to him that have cancer-epilepsy etc... who were just vaccinated a day or so prior with several vaccines and ant him to fix it that angers me.

That is interesting because I see over 1000 cats in one year just through the rescues I volunteer at and I've never seen a single reaction to a vaccine other than lethargy. Is your vet following current protocol of many his patients are coming back with cancer and epilepsy the day after they receive a vaccine? That would be an exceptional case, not the rule by any means.

 

[jayla-n-Drevon]

That is interesting because I see over 1000 cats in one year just through the rescues I volunteer at and I've never seen a single reaction to a vaccine other than lethargy. Is your vet following current protocol of many his patients are coming back with cancer and epilepsy the day after they receive a vaccine? That would be an exceptional case, not the rule by any means.

I am speaking of pets that have been vaccinated by other vets and then coming to him for help---pets that have cancer-epilepsy-cuchsing etc...

I too have worked in rescue (20+ years) -have a grooming salon (25 years) and have been a tech for vets (10 ish years)...
I have seen many reactions-some mild and some serious including my own cat Rico where he almost lost his vision from 1 rabies vaccine-
I think we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Melanie and Smokey]

It's just unfortunate that the law still needs to catch up to the idea that a single vaccine can easily last a lifetime.

The problem is that this is claimed, but none of the studies have ever bother to titer long enough to find out if the anti-bodies are there long term.

And a titer doesn't necessarily tell you a cat is protected. It only tells you its been vaccinated at some point.

http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2010/june/titering_or_vaccines-10182

I am speaking of pets that have been vaccinated by other vets and then coming to him for help---pets that have cancer-epilepsy-cuchsing etc...

So there was no actual known connection to a vaccine?

I think we will have to agree to disagree.

Yes we will.

I don't believe FDMB should be a platform for someone's personal views on vaccinations. Most of us not veterinarians here and should not be telling people whether they should be vaccinating their cats or not.

 

[jayla-n-Drevon]

The problem is that this is claimed, but none of the studies have ever bother to titer long enough to find out if the anti-bodies are there long term.

And a titer doesn't necessarily tell you a cat is protected. It only tells you its been vaccinated at some point.

http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2010/june/titering_or_vaccines-10182



So there was no actual known connection to a vaccine?



Yes we will.

I don't believe FDMB should be a platform for someone's personal views on vaccinations. Most of us not veterinarians here and should not be telling people whether they should be vaccinating their cats or not.

I did not tell anyone what to do
Someone posted in a forum wanted to make a informed decision about a rabies vaccine
That decision will be hers not mine
Offered info information for them to do research.
I find it interesting that specific vaccines are given in specific locations.
And interesting that this amount of mostly leg amputations is documented.
I'm done responding
As I did not intend to offend and respect your decision even if mine is different.

 

[manxcat419]

And a titer doesn't necessarily tell you a cat is protected. It only tells you its been vaccinated at some point.

http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2010/june/titering_or_vaccines-10182

That information is almost 6 years old though. According to this http://www.ksvdl.org/rabies-laboratory/core-vaccine-titer-screen-info.html the correlation between the titer test and immunity is excellent in cats for both rabies and panleukopenia. Again, it remains between the owner and the vet to make the final decision - just presenting the other side of the argument.

 

[jayla-n-Drevon]

And a titer doesn't necessarily tell you a cat is protected. It only tells you its been vaccinated at some point.

http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2010/june/titering_or_vaccines-10182

That information is almost 6 years old though. According to this http://www.ksvdl.org/rabies-laboratory/core-vaccine-titer-screen-info.html the correlation between the titer test and immunity is excellent in cats for both rabies and panleukopenia. Again, it remains between the owner and the vet to make the final decision - just presenting the other side of the argument.

It will also tell you if the pet has come in contact with the disease.