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Hello all! I just got Bean home from the day trip to the vet... counts were in the 500 & 400! He tested around 8, 11, 3. I did shoot at 6am. 1 unit... he has up the amount to 2 unit bcp pzi??
well, I did up some, just not from 1 to 2.... I went up 1/2 .....still no home testing - will do that tomorrow... should get the kit! ty LORI & TOM!
Now, we get home, she eats, not as much as this am... but she does, we shoot, she plays a bit! GO BEAN...
Then..... I catch her spot tee teeing in the corners! Hello UTI!
We get to the litter box, i watch and see blood - smalll smalll amount but blood in urine.... QUESTION.... In jan. she had uti... I have antibiotic left... aprox. 2 doses left over (baddddd mommmy). I want to start her tonite.... Is this product still goood???? Is ampicilin.
She is just going around everywhere trying to peee. but i did see her pee some.... Just the same as she did in January! I have message into vet already!
Help! and ty for all~
Beans mommy~
 
I can't tell you if the antibiotic is any good, but I can tell you to please take the UTI very seriously.

Are you testing for ketones? Infection and ketones are bad partners. My Kitty has a severe UTI in Feb. and developed DKA. I don't tell you this to scare you-- just to alert you.

Good Luck and please see the vet tomorrow!
 
Bell first of all don't give 2 pills if that's all you are going to get. It can quickly make things worse...you understand the concept.
And PLEASE do not raise the dose to 2u/
it's too much of a raise and as we all know very very well the numbers are always much higher at the vets...so Please do not do that.
Kit should arrive if not tonight than tomorow.
do you feel ready to do the test?
lori
and tomtom too!
 
I wish I could remember for sure but I think I sent a vial of keto-stix.
did we talk bell?
 
i wanna say antibiotics before testing is done can throw off the tests but not 100% sure on that. waiting til morning will most likely be fine, but yes, vet asap as you plan

edited to clarify: by tests i mean bloodwork and/or urinalysis testing done by the vet.
 
well i don't think it's as much as the anti-biotics affecting the numbers as that your numbers are bound to be higher if there is an infection. once the infection clears up the numbers are bound to lower on their own.
that is why i really want to see tests if you do anti biotics...towrds the end and once they are done you are likely to see a big drop. thus a drop in dosage.
 
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Then..... I catch her spot tee teeing in the corners! Hello UTI!
We get to the litter box, i watch and see blood - smalll smalll amount but blood in urine.... QUESTION.... In jan. she had uti... I have antibiotic left... aprox. 2 doses left over (baddddd mommmy). I want to start her tonite.... Is this product still goood???? Is ampicilin.
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One of these days I am going to stand on the highest mountain with a very loud megaphone and start screaming....."Stop assuming that the above signs mean that an infection is present."

And..."Do not assume that blood in the urine means that an infection is present".

And...."Do not shotgun treat with antibiotics without a culture and sensitivity test being run first".

And..."Do not use the term "UTI" without defining the "I"....does it stand for INFECTION....OR...INFLAMMATION???"

QUESTION.... In jan. she had uti...
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How do you know that she had an infection versus sterile cystitis? Was a urine culture done?

Please see my Urinary Tract Health page for more ranting...complete with a lot of red text.

Please understand that this is a **general** rant and is not personally aimed at the original poster.
 
We (humans and animals) are running into a lot of problems - including death - due to the increasing resistance problems because humans can't seem to resist the need to grab antibiotics without a proper diagnosis first.

Most of my frustration is aimed at the people with Dr. in front of their names whether they have MD or DVM after their names since both medical groups, in addition to lay people, are guilty of perpetuating this huge problem.

Of course cats that are spilling sugar in their urine are more apt to have an infection but that still does not mean that we should start throwing antibiotics at them without a culture and sensitivity.

I am dealing with a case now involving a cat that was treated over and over again with antibiotics with no C and S. The cat now has a very resistant chronic e.coli UT infection (notice the lack of use of "UTI") and the owner is spending (if I remember what he said correctly) about $500/month for a unique antibiotic....for the rest of this cat's life.
 
ty EVERYONE!
No, I did not give any..... just hate to see her struggle and jump the gun... she did sleep last nite, seeems better this am????? got a call into the vets office and will have her checked out AGAIN TODAY! should have requested he do that yesterday! And I do know that the numbers can be higher from not only the vet visit but the infection/uti/ut - whatever is goin on -down there- than they would normally be.... Lori, did receive the test last nite.... and when she peeed last nite... in my sandle... gave me great opport. to ck the ketones... it showed trace..... I thought that was better than it could have been. have not used ear test yet and have not raised amount until we test! I know I should listen to the vet but this site is wonderful and have second thoughts to just do as I am told by the vet!~ soooo, ty yall for the input! Will keep you posted!
 
I really hope that you looked at the webpage that I suggested - especially the part about PAIN MEDS.

Please spend some time studying about this condition (sterile or non-sterile cystitis) since this is at least her second bout.
 
FWIW--My Kitty was negative on Friday for Ketones with a bloody UTI (was cultured) and in DKA with Ketones at 50 on Sunday. Be sure to stay on top of the Ketones!
 
Bean update: Did take her to the vet for uti and they did wait for urine and yes, was uti... she taking antibiotic 2 times a day.... no ketones.......seems to feel better today... played like no other... went shopping for treats and dry food from the list for the other girls to get used to and for some healthier grazing... and could not believe it, all 3 - Bean, Gumpy & Slappy liked the new dry... EVO turkey & chicken dry... got a small amount from the Cat Unlimited store....... and the other two - Bean & Gumpy like the new treat: Wellness core delights - chicken and lamb!
My mission is to train the oldest: Slappy to adjust to wet food, she is a grazer from 6 weeks old, (now 15 yrs) dry food and will not take to new things.... thought if i could get her to at least graze on better dry for now would be better than nothing, sooooo... my mission is going good for today anyway... the other two: Gumpy and Bean (my sugar baby) love the wet food transition!
will see if we can adjust to the testing soon... too much trama for my Bean girl, hates pills, got some of those pill pockets today too... lets hope she will take the meds better! after the antibotic trip, we will start ear testing... btw... she loves her 100% tuna flake treats that she only gets on mommy's lap.... preparing her for the ear testing that this site suggested!!!!!!HOPE ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY AND TYTYTYTY FOR THE INFORMATION, ADVICE & LOVE LOVE LOVE THAT I FEEL FROM HERE! I AM NOT ALONE!
 
Dearest Bell, and, of course, you too, sweet Ms. Bean,

Sorry about Ms. Bean's UTI. It sucks. You can say that, Bell, it's okay.

As for pilling, try coating the pill in butter -- makes for a much easier slide... And, my eternal thanks to Jerrie, The Butter Goddess, and Opie, forever in our hearts, for that wondrous tip! Just make sure to have a water bowl and encourage her to drink or have a baby syringe filled with water as a chaser. If you use the baby syringe, be sure to gently squirt it into the side of Ms. Bean's mouth, okay? Water promotes swallowing after pilling which is important.

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My mission is to train the oldest: Slappy to adjust to wet food, she is a grazer from 6 weeks old, (now 15 yrs) dry food and will not take to new things.... thought if i could get her to at least graze on better dry for now would be better than nothing, sooooo... my mission is going good for today anyway... the other two: Gumpy and Bean (my sugar baby) love the wet food transition!
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Love it that Gumpy and Bean love the transition to wet food! YAY!!! As for Ms. Slappy, perhaps adding a teaspoon of wet food buried in the dry food might go unnoticed... Then another teaspoon of wet with a little less dry, and so on... Could take a few weeks, as cats are creatures of habit and appreciate subtlety... You never know...


As for home testing, must confess, dearest Bell, it took me one month and 28 days to do so with Giz. And, no, I'm not terribly comfortable saying that, nor do I suggest you wait that long. But, that's when I was ready. Was catching pee with Keto-Diastix though, which test for both ketones and the presence of sugar in the urine within a week or two. So, although I didn't have a BG reading during that time, was assured she was definitely spilling sugar in her pee. Just didn't know when she was spilling that sugar...

And then late one night, had just started a second glass of chardonney, and thought, what the hell (please pardon my cursing, Bell, as first times can be raw, particularly when you're scared and squeamish...), let me test myself. You know, to see how it feels. Well, I didn't faint seeing that tiny bit of blood. Tested 21 on the meter so thought I was dead (and, actually posted my deceasement right here on The Board...), so figured I had nothing left to lose. Gathered all the testing equipment up -- pretty much with the soundtrack of "Jaws" dancing in my head -- and went looking for Giz... Surprised the crap (my apologies again...) out of her and got blood on the second poke. She was 189, although I have no idea of where that was in the scheme of her shot cycle. It just seemed as improbable as my 21 reading...

But, it was a start... Actually, it was a great start. I wasn't deceased and Giz danced for four more years!




You are so not alone, dearest Bell. I honest believe dancing with a sugar cat makes us better people. Certainly stronger!

Much love and countless encouraging hugs for you both -- and, your adjusting furries,
Deb and Nikki -- and, Giz, forever dancing in my heart and who taught me everything I never wanted to know about sharp objects...
 
Did take her to the vet for uti and they did wait for urine and yes, was uti
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I hate to keep picking on you but your case is a good springboard for discussion.

A UT "infection" cannot be *properly* diagnosed by ONE visit to a vet on ONE day. In order to *properly* diagnose a UT "infectIon", a culture and sensitivity must be run which takes THREE DAYS.

Did your vet run a culture? Sadly, it does not sound like he or she did. Am I wrong? It sounds like your cat is being 'shotgun' treated without a thorough and proper work-up to confirm that an infection exists and to be able to pick the proper antibiotic.

As for pilling, try coating the pill in butter -- makes for a much easier slide...
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Clarification:

I hate to rain on the parade here but the issue is that the pills do not make it into the stomach in a timely manner...not that the cat can't swallow it. We must not assume that coating with butter hastens the passage into the stomach because it doesn't...making this:

or have a baby syringe filled with water as a chaser.
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....non-negotiable....ie....all pills *must* be chased with food or water and butter coating should never be used as a substitute. I am fine with people coating it with butter to possibly make it easier to swallow but, again, butter is doing nothing to help the transit time into the stomach. That's where we run into life-threatening esophagitis.

Deb - thanks so much for discussing the water chaser but I just wanted to clarify the issue so that there is no misunderstanding by any reader.
 
Ty Deb for the tips!
Bean received her pill in a pill pocket, took it just fine! I could not believe it! used the whole thing last nite, and tried using 1/2 of the pocket today, and it worked! then she went right over to the water bowl, got herself a drink or two! She is such a great girl! But if she dont drink afterwards, I will try out the follow up w/ dropper!
And your 'cursing' is not hurting me... you are a blast to read!!! I could only imagine that nite of 'testing'!!! And no, I am just not ready... I have used the ketones tester a couple of times... where did you find the Keto-Diastix ? Would like to have that on hand if it tests sugar as well. We are still sitting in the chair, getting our only treat for the testing chair, clicking the lancet holder while holding it against her ear, getting US used to the sounds etc.... MOMMY is going to start this when the meds are done! lol!

Lisa... no, she did not do the c & s test, just the one day, said there was bacteria in urine... plan to call them monday and ask about what you said... ty for the information, advice and your opinions as well!

She is acting better this am and better last nite!
On the road to transitioning the oldest to new dry (for now) food, and again she ate it this am!!! Go Slappy!
Hope all have a great Sunday w/ theirs and the sugar babies!!!!
 
A couple of quick ....short comments....hard to type on an iPad.

1) never use a whole pill pocket since they will be more apt to bite down on something that big. Only use enough of the pp to cover the pill.

2) no need to use any chasers with pp's.

3) false positives are common with in-house microscopic exams since the stains that are used are often contaminated with bacteria.

We just had a rounds session on VIN with....once again....the specialists practically screaming about the abuse of antibiotics in both human and vet med.
 
I nave not read this whole thread but hopefully you understand how unhealthy ALL dry food is for the urinary tract system.
 
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