UK Cat food brand - Denes?

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Dr Schrodinger

Dr Schrodinger

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Hello,

This is probably a question just for the Brits on here, but has anybody tried Denes Cat Food for their sugar kitties?

http://denes.co.uk/cat-food/canned-cat-foods

The Chicken & Turkey variety comes out as 2% carbs:

Typical Analysis
Moisture 81%
Protein 9%
Oil 5%
Ash 2%
Fibre 0.5%

I emailed the company for a sample (if you don't asks you don't gets) & they emailed me back 15 minutes later ( :o :shock: :o ) with a Diabetes fact sheet & the promise of freebies via mail!

For customer service they score 100%....

has anybody else tried them, please? Are they any good?

Juliet
 
Hi,

Oooh, got all excited there....initially....

But according to my cat food calculator the figures you give come out at just above 10% carb value by calories, which is generally considered too high for a diabetic. (But I'll check it again in case I got that wrong...)

I also had a look at the ingredients and see that all the canned cat foods contain garlic. My understanding is that onions and garlic are not good for cats, and that over time these can cause Heinz anaemia (?) I think.... Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here...

Edited to add: Yep, according to my cat food calculator the calories from carbs would make up 10.6% of the diet (according to the figures listed in your post. :cry: )
 
Owwwwwwwwww! :-x

That'll learn me to do my research before writing emails!!

Just found this too:

http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/ve ... ?id=174478

"Allium species toxicosis most commonly occurs after oral consumption. In addition to consuming fresh plant material, consuming juice, fresh and aged dietary supplements, powdered cooking preparations, dehydrated material, or food preparations derived from or containing Allium species can be potentially toxic to dogs and cats. Allium species toxicosis typically ensues after consumption of a single large quantity of the material or repeated small amounts. Dogs and cats are highly susceptible to onion toxicosis: Consumption of as little as 5 g/kg of onions in cats or 15 to 30 g/kg in dogs has resulted in clinically important hematologic changes. Onion toxicosis is consistently noted in animals that ingest more than 0.5% of their body weight in onions at one time."


But then I found this, which contradicts the above:

http://www.petremedycharts.com/Learning ... _pets.html

Probably a moot point anyway, considering the carbs are too high.... :cry:
 
This is probably just me being particularly dim, but why would cat food contain garlic or onions? True, they are strong-smelling ingredients and flavour-enhancers - but to us humans, and cats surely have different ideas (ie you wouldn't get food in the wild smelling or tasting of onion or garlic, would you?). Garlic may be good for them but I'd have thought the smell would be off-putting and it's not as if you can easily disguise it. I'm just a bit puzzled.

Whilst musing on this, it also occurred to me to wonder about Juliet's other recent post about fish in the diet. We agreed that too much fish isn't good for cats, but is it ok for us? Maybe fish for human consumption comes from different sources, I don't know, have never thought about it, let alone researched it, but I haven't heard about anything fish being bad for us. If anything, we're advised to choose fish or poultry over red meat (which I personally don't touch anyway). Maybe we should all be 100% vegetarian...?

Diana :?
 
Hey Diana,

There is plenty of advice about dietary intake of fish for us bipedal organisms on various governmental websites (e.g. http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pag ... lfish.aspx) & the majority of the message is that we aren't eating enough! There is a lot of scaremongery about pollutants, which has unfortunately put people off including fish in their diet.

But on the other side of the coin, you don't want to eat too much. In fact, you don't want to eat too much of anything, but personally, I don't think this rule applies to cheese. Or mushrooms. Or cake.

With respect to garlic, yes, they would encounter it in the wild. Many allium species in fact. Wild garlic is yummy!
I've seen my *ahem* supposedly indoor cats munching away quite happily at both my onion chives & garlic chives in the garden, in the same way that all cats will do with grass. They didn't barf it up again, either, which made me think they knew what they were doing. Higher mammals have evolved to self-medicate to a certain extent. They realise that they are missing a certain something in their diet & they will actively seek it out. Don't ask me how they know, but they do, so may be allium species come under this umbrella of self-medication, or maybe my kitties are just thickos who will munch anything green & spikey?

I think cats need to eat something like a bulb of garlic per kilo for it to do any damage to them, anyway, and I don't think I've ever met any feline who would do that! Dogs on the other hand, well, they're just loons....
 
Dr Schrodinger said:
But on the other side of the coin, you don't want to eat too much. In fact, you don't want to eat too much of anything, but personally, I don't think this rule applies to cheese. Or mushrooms. Or cake.
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... or chocolate, of course.

I guess it's just all things in moderation and all that, avoiding the obvious baddies. Not being a scientist - quite the opposite in fact - I'll keep it as simple as that!

Diana
 
Diana&Tom said:
Dr Schrodinger said:
But on the other side of the coin, you don't want to eat too much. In fact, you don't want to eat too much of anything, but personally, I don't think this rule applies to cheese. Or mushrooms. Or cake.
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... or chocolate, of course.
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Ach! The most important food group! How did I forget that??!! *checks blood chocolate levels* I am dangerously low!

Diana&Tom said:
I guess it's just all things in moderation and all that...
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Including moderation. ;-)
 
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