TYLER'S JOURNEY #5

I don't want you staying up half the night again. You are part of this equation and you need to stay in good shape to be able to look after Tyler and DH and you. What you do think would be a good dose for tonight?
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
I don't want you staying up half the night again. You are part of this equation and you need to stay in good shape to be able to look after Tyler and DH and you. What you do think would be a good dose for tonight?
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Ok , I would say a Skinny 0.5 just curious are you seeing if I chose the best dosage, would you have gone with that, or is it because you don't want be to be up all night lol, what would you have said, I try to look at past AMPS and PMPS that are close to the same BG number that I just got tonight, does that make any sense or is that how it doesn't work @MrWorfMen's Mom
 
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Right on. I want you to build some confidence in making dosing decisions and I agree with you 100%.... 0.5u skinny. I want you to gain confidence in your own thoughts and gut feelings and obviously looking at past BG, dose and results for some helpful info to make those decisions. It's fine for me to tell you what to shoot but if I can't be available one day, you need to be able to make some decisions. I know you know what to do, but I don't think you are giving yourself credit for knowing. :D
 
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Right on. I want you to build some confidence in making dosing decisions and I agree with you 100%.... 0.5u skinny. I want you to gain confidence in your own thoughts and gut feelings and obviously looking at past BG, dose and results for some helpful info to make those decisions. It's fine for me to tell you what to shoot but if I can't be available one day, you need to be able to make some decisions. I know you know what to do, but I don't think you are giving yourself credit for knowing. :D
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Ok , thanks for having faith in me lol, and yes if I know you are not going to be around I panic a little. Lol. I thought that was what you might be doing. Happy you agreed with me.Ya think I should try feeding him at +1 tonight to see if it slows down the drop and then check at+3, or would the daytime be better to do it.By the way did you see my post about Tyler's weight, it's at the end of JOURNEY #4 @MrWorfMen's Mom
It's #116
 
MONDAY 7-8-19
PMPS. - 149. Shot 0.5 skinny
+1 just fed him some FF to see if it might slow his drops down, will test his BG at +3
 
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I'd try the +1 feeding/+3 testing and see if it makes any difference.
Yes I saw the food post and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. One or one and a half cans of FF is not enough for a 16lb cat. I feed my girl about 300 calories per day. She was up to 20 lbs and I got her down to 18lbs. And my girl tends to be quite the couch potato. Try upping his portions a bit. It may increase his insulin needs a bit, but I can't help but wonder if he is holding onto the pounds almost like he is in starvation mode. I am not suggesting you are starving him (iI'm sure he'd let you know if he was really hungry) but that really seems like a very small number of calories for a cat that size.
 
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I'd try the +1 feeding/+3 testing and see if it makes any difference.
Yes I saw the food post and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. One or one and a half cans of FF is not enough for a 16lb cat. I feed my girl about 300 calories per day. She was up to 20 lbs and I got her down to 18lbs. And my girl tends to be quite the couch potato. Try upping his portions a bit. It may increase his insulin needs a bit, but I can't help but wonder if he is holding onto the pounds almost like he is in starvation mode. I am not suggesting you are starving him (iI'm sure he'd let you know if he was really hungry) but that really seems like a very small number of calories for a cat that size.
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How the vet figured it was to feed him 2 cans of the FF and 1/3 rd of a cup of The Dr Elseys Clean Protein Dry which is 188 calories, so that would be 388 calories.He really never eats 2 cans of the FF, and not a 1/3 rd of a cup of the Clean Protein, I know I shouldn't be only feeding the FF but he likes the kibbles. The vet was aiming to get him down to 16 lbs, when he weighed in at 18 lbs. . He's 23 lbs again, I don't understand when you say try upping his portions a bit, it may increase his insulin needs a bit,? plus wouldn't he get fatter? right now I want to feed him at +1 and he sound asleep snoring , but I'm going to try. He weighs a ton and with the extra weight and his neuropathy it's probably not good for his back legs no?

I'll tell you one thing if I were to leave the Dr Elseys out all day he would schoff it down. I don't even give him a 1/3 rd of a cup a day. He just loves to eat and then sleep. He doesn't even finish the whole dish of FF , He will definitely eat a half of the can in the am and when I give him small portions through the day , so it might equal close to one and a half cans. So he's not starving, he would let me know, he will lick my arm if I'm sleeping at 6:00 am for the kibbles. So I have no idea how to get some weight off him. Ok now he just made a liar out of me, I woke him up and put the dish of FF about 2 tablespoons with water in it and he devoured it. When he's had enough he turns his head away. Of course he didn't get off the bed to eat it ,I had to hold the dish up to his mouth . He's spoiled. I never used to do the testing after pre shots, vet never told me all of this that we do here, so he's getting more FF now because of feeding him at +2 and so on if needed.but he's too fat, that's how he got diabetes I guess @MrWorfMen's Mom

What does holding on to the pounds mean like he's in starvation mode.So he ate the 2 tablespoons of FF and if fast asleep lol
 
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.Just look at him, resting his head on a pillow
 
MONDAY 7-8-19
PMPS. -149
+1 fed him 2 tablespoons of FF to see if we could slow down his drop.
and then test @+3 which would have been at 1:00 am
Well that didn't happen, I fell asleep watching TV , damn it, woke up at 3:00 am
+3 - 131 so now we won't know if it worked, will try it again in the am when I test his AMPS @MrWorfMen's Mom
+9.5- 160
 
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People who go on seriously restricted diets sometimes don't lose weight as they think they should because their body holds onto the calories they take in because of defence against the serious calorie reduction.
I forgot Tyler was also getting the Dr. E's so he is getting enough calories so ignore me.
You might find if you can get him off the kibble or at least reduce it and replace with canned that he will lose a bit of weight.
 
I think you could do 0.5u at least on the line. Remember the goal is to get him into some nice high dark green if possible.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
People who go on seriously restricted diets sometimes don't lose weight as they think they should because their body holds onto the calories they take in because of defence against the serious calorie reduction.
I forgot Tyler was also getting the Dr. E's so he is getting enough calories so ignore me.
You might find if you can get him off the kibble or at least reduce it and replace with canned that he will lose a bit of weight.
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Ok I'll just finish the bag I just bought of Dr E and just give wet, he will just have to deal with it
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
I think you could do 0.5u at least on the line. Remember the goal is to get him into some nice high dark green if possible.
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Ok , did you see I fell asleep again last night when I wanted to test him at +3 after feeding him @+1 to see if we could maybe slow his drop. I'm setting an alarm from now on.
 
TUESDAY 7-9-19
AMPS. - 140 shooting 0.5 u right on the line
@+1 going to feed a little FF to see if it might slow Tyler's drop down then will test @+3
 
If you only knew how often my best laid plans for testing didn't come to pass......It happens to all of us and probably has something to do with you staying up till the wee hours every night. I think your body is telling you, you need more rest.
 
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If you only knew how often my best laid plans for testing didn't come to pass......It happens to all of us and probably has something to do with you staying up till the wee hours every night. I think your body is telling you, you need more rest.
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You are absolutely right , but this morning I'm not going to miss trying it out
 
Well that is a question you'll never know the answer to. When you feed Tyler his BG would naturally go up but the insulin clicks into action early so when you feed him at pre-shot and again at +1 you are giving the insulin when it starts dropping BG more to work with which slows down the drop at bit. Tyler has an early nadir so feeding early looks like it does slow him down a bit and pushed out his low point a bit. Check at +5 and see if he is surfing at all. I like that 87.
 
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Well that is a question you'll never know the answer to. When you feed Tyler his BG would naturally go up but the insulin clicks into action early so when you feed him at pre-shot and again at +1 you are giving the insulin when it starts dropping BG more to work with which slows down the drop at bit. Tyler has an early nadir so feeding early looks like it does slow him down a bit and pushed out his low point a bit. Check at +5 and see if he is surfing at all. I like that 87.
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Ok will check @+5 , I was getting a little nervous there, I didn't feed him after +4 is that ok @MrW
 
You fed him at +3 so he didn't need more at +4. If he was down lower then yes but he is in great shape & seems to always level off around +4/5.
 
@MrWorfMen's Mom please take a look at his numbers for today #20 how do you think he did?
PMPS - 139 0.5 u right on the line
Fed @+1
+3- 108 table spoon of FF he was looking for food.
This morning it was almost the same BG (140) and we gave 0.5 on the line and then fed at +1 and checked @+3.
Do you think I should do the same dosage @MrWorfMen's Mom
 
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MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Sounds like a plan to me. What a loverly cycle he had today! View attachment 46237
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Ok yes he did I was surprised, you were correct about feeding him @+1 , like I said you are a genius! Let's hope it goes the same tonight. Oh one question remember when I asked you today if I should feed again @+4 #23 . You said I fed him @+3 and said I didn't need to feed him @+4 which his BG was 101, you said if he went down lower than that then yes feed. I'm trying to ask what BG wouldn't I feed at, or feed at. Hope you get what I'm trying to ask lol @MrWorfMen's Mom I'm going to do the same tonight feed @+1 and then test @+3
 
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If he is up a bit or basically the same, he really doesn't need food however if he is hungry you can give him a bit. Don't want the poor guy starving all night. If he drops down to between 80 and 90, then give him a little snack of LC food to hold him. If he's in the 60's or 70's he's going too low and you need to prop him up with more food and perhaps a bit more carb.
Let's see if the experiment with the food timing holds true in the next few cycles. It could be a fluke or it's working. I never like to jump to conclusions based on one cycle.
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I often have to refresh my screen if I keep it open on a particular thread with no other activity. If you go off this thread, reading elsewhere, you should see the alert. Sometimes they come through and sometimes they don't. I just make it a habit to refresh every so often.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
I often have to refresh my screen if I keep it open on a particular thread with no other activity. If you go off this thread, reading elsewhere, you should see the alert. Sometimes they come through and sometimes they don't. I just make it a habit to refresh every so often.
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Ok just got this one
 
Phosphorus is not a concern for diabetics but it is for kitties with kidney problems and a number of cats with diabetes are dealing with kidney issues.

It was like a sauna bath here today and I too didn't last long outside but I DON'T want fall. I just wish it would be less humid!
 
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Phosphorus is not a concern for diabetics but it is for kitties with kidney problems and a number of cats with diabetes are dealing with kidney issues.

It was like a sauna bath here today and I too didn't last long outside but I DON'T want fall. I just wish it would be less humid!
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Ok I'll take less humid, I'll meet u halfway lol Tested Tyler
WEDNESDAY 7-10-19
PMPS - 157 think we should do 0.5 on the line since it's pm cycle or try the 0.75 skinny again?
Do you think I can shoot a half hour earlier, which would be 9:30 pm. Had to feed him early he just wouldn't shut up lol. @MrWorfMen's Mom
 
Sure you can shoot 30 minutes early. It's up to you but since it's a night cycle if you aren't comfortable with the skinny 0.75, then I'd stick to a fat 0.5u. Your choice....there is no right or wrong.
 
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Sure you can shoot 30 minutes early. It's up to you but since it's a night cycle if you aren't comfortable with the skinny 0.75, then I'd stick to a fat 0.5u. Your choice....there is no right or wrong.
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Ok I think I'll go with the skinny 0.75 u tonight and feed again @+1 and test @+3 Like you said I'll do this for a few more cycles and see if it makes a difference with slowing down the drop @MrWorfMen's Mom
 
Yes I think I would continue feeding at +1. Look at last night's cycle with Tyler's nadir appearing to be around +6. Every cycle may not be the same but it does appear he's getting a little more mileage with the earlier feeding. The PMPS last night and AMPS today being the same can happen. It makes for a nice smooth cycle to cycle. You could do the skinny 0.75u again or try a fat 0.5u and see what he does.
 
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