Toothless cats and pate puree.

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Jeanne & Dottie

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Well, I solved Dottie's potential eating issue, so I thought I'd put a post in here.

Dottie hasn't been eating well of late, and while she's never eaten a whole lot at one time, the fact is, since she lost her teeth, her appetite has been off. At least I thought it was her appetite.

I'd put her food down, and she'd hang her head over the dish as if wondering exactly how she was going to get it all down. She put me in mind of when I was a child, and a dish full of food I didn't like, (applesauce) was plopped in front of me. Dottie had that deer-in-the-headlights look. Totally perplexed.

She'd start to eat, and a few bites in, would begin to make faces. She'd spit out what she had in her mouth, and open her mouth wide, as if something were stuck where the jaws joined.

I put that down to her finding some of the tiny little bones that I've found in kitty pates. They're miniscule, only the size of grains of sand...but some of them are downright sharp, and for a cat who'd just had dental surgery, I suppose these could hurt if they get stuck in a crevice of a newly healed surgery site.

But I removed the bones, and she was still stalling at her bowl. After a few bites, she'd shake her head, and make those faces, and go to a corner to groom.

So this morning I determined I was going to really, really watch her eat. Up close. I got down to eye level with her. I guess what I found shouldn't be surprising, but I was surprised all the same.

Cat faces are a lot like ours. Although their muzzle does project from their face..the front of their mouth, and their nose, are more or less right in front. So when a cat eats soft food, such as pate, it uses it's front teeth much as a contractor will use a steam shovel..to grab up bites of food, with the help of the cat's tongue, and then the food is rolled to the hard palate, and then towards the back of the mouth for chewing and swallowing.

But Dottie doesn't have those canines. She has no teeth at all. So to pick up food, the poor baby must mash her whole mouth front into the dish, because her tongue alone isn't strong enough to shovel that food into her jaws. And when she mashes her face into the food, the lower edge of her nose goes in too. With each bite, she's at risk of getting food in her nostrils. And now her chin is soaked with food, too..if she tilts her head slightly, more of the lower jaw gets coated.

This is a very bad thing, from the cat's point of view. They're so dainty. Finishing a dinner with that Pie-in-the-face mess dripping from their chin is something no cat ever wants to experience. In Dottie's case she'd rather leave than eat. She's worn out from trying to scrape food off her bowl with her tongue..and let's face it..that pate soon presses tightly against the bottom of the bowl, defying any tiny tongue to get under it. And the whole eating thing was just too humiliating.

So..I get it....the texture of pates is less desirable for toothless cats. Hard to pick up, hard to keep in their mouths, and hard to clean off their chins. Dry food she could pick up, although a bit clumsily, but it shouldn't be an option because she's diabetic. How can we make it better, and give our kitties their dignity back?

My solution was to take a couple of cans of cat food, toss them in a nutri-bullet, and make a puree...very similar to the puree used to do syringe feeding. I measured out an ounce of distilled water for each can of food, tossed in some FortiFlora and a sprinkle of parmesan cheese, and gushed it all up until it reminded me of a soft serve scoop of ice cream. Hey, I like milkshakes! Maybe Dottie would, too.

And it worked! The moment I put down the 'milkshake', Dottie rushed the bowl.

She ate more at one time than I have EVER seen her eat. A full ounce +added liquid, of food. (Only about a quarter-ounce of water added per ounce of food, blended in, remember?) This is the first full meal she's eaten since her surgery, weeks ago.

Not only that, but Gizmo, who had also started to go 'on strike'..got curious about what Dottie had in her bowl. So I gave him a dollop of 'catsoup'. And HE scarfed it up, too! So this stuff is a hit, all around.

I don't know why I didn't consider letting Dottie have 'liquidated' food before. I thought that option was only for syringe feeding. But it isn't. For cats who have just lost their teeth, the whole process of eating has radically changed, and cats just don't take change well. Especially when that change is messy.

I know others have been having a hard time tempting their kitties to eat. Some have whole families of cats who have gone on food strikes. I wanted to suggest this option for them because, hey! It worked for me. I didn't even have to hold the bowl for Dottie..that's something I've been doing for weeks!

Think of the goupy blended stuff as kitty 'milkshakes'. Because that's what the stuff looks like. I remember when I was sick, my mom would make me milkshakes.

Whatever works, right?
 
Well, I solved Dottie's potential eating issue, so I thought I'd put a post in here.

Dottie hasn't been eating well of late, and while she's never eaten a whole lot at one time, the fact is, since she lost her teeth, her appetite has been off. At least I thought it was her appetite.

I'd put her food down, and she'd hang her head over the dish as if wondering exactly how she was going to get it all down. She put me in mind of when I was a child, and a dish full of food I didn't like, (applesauce) was plopped in front of me. Dottie had that deer-in-the-headlights look. Totally perplexed.

She'd start to eat, and a few bites in, would begin to make faces. She'd spit out what she had in her mouth, and open her mouth wide, as if something were stuck where the jaws joined.

I put that down to her finding some of the tiny little bones that I've found in kitty pates. They're miniscule, only the size of grains of sand...but some of them are downright sharp, and for a cat who'd just had dental surgery, I suppose these could hurt if they get stuck in a crevice of a newly healed surgery site.

But I removed the bones, and she was still stalling at her bowl. After a few bites, she'd shake her head, and make those faces, and go to a corner to groom.

So this morning I determined I was going to really, really watch her eat. Up close. I got down to eye level with her. I guess what I found shouldn't be surprising, but I was surprised all the same.

Cat faces are a lot like ours. Although their muzzle does project from their face..the front of their mouth, and their nose, are more or less right in front. So when a cat eats soft food, such as pate, it uses it's front teeth much as a contractor will use a steam shovel..to grab up bites of food, with the help of the cat's tongue, and then the food is rolled to the hard palate, and then towards the back of the mouth for chewing and swallowing.

But Dottie doesn't have those canines. She has no teeth at all. So to pick up food, the poor baby must mash her whole mouth front into the dish, because her tongue alone isn't strong enough to shovel that food into her jaws. And when she mashes her face into the food, the lower edge of her nose goes in too. With each bite, she's at risk of getting food in her nostrils. And now her chin is soaked with food, too..if she tilts her head slightly, more of the lower jaw gets coated.

This is a very bad thing, from the cat's point of view. They're so dainty. Finishing a dinner with that Pie-in-the-face mess dripping from their chin is something no cat ever wants to experience. In Dottie's case she'd rather leave than eat. She's worn out from trying to scrape food off her bowl with her tongue..and let's face it..that pate soon presses tightly against the bottom of the bowl, defying any tiny tongue to get under it. And the whole eating thing was just too humiliating.

So..I get it....the texture of pates is less desirable for toothless cats. Hard to pick up, hard to keep in their mouths, and hard to clean off their chins. Dry food she could pick up, although a bit clumsily, but it shouldn't be an option because she's diabetic. How can we make it better, and give our kitties their dignity back?

My solution was to take a couple of cans of cat food, toss them in a nutri-bullet, and make a puree...very similar to the puree used to do syringe feeding. I measured out an ounce of distilled water for each can of food, tossed in some FortiFlora and a sprinkle of parmesan cheese, and gushed it all up until it reminded me of a soft serve scoop of ice cream. Hey, I like milkshakes! Maybe Dottie would, too.

And it worked! The moment I put down the 'milkshake', Dottie rushed the bowl.

She ate more at one time than I have EVER seen her eat. A full ounce +added liquid, of food. (Only about a quarter-ounce of water added per ounce of food, blended in, remember?) This is the first full meal she's eaten since her surgery, weeks ago.

Not only that, but Gizmo, who had also started to go 'on strike'..got curious about what Dottie had in her bowl. So I gave him a dollop of 'catsoup'. And HE scarfed it up, too! So this stuff is a hit, all around.

I don't know why I didn't consider letting Dottie have 'liquidated' food before. I thought that option was only for syringe feeding. But it isn't. For cats who have just lost their teeth, the whole process of eating has radically changed, and cats just don't take change well. Especially when that change is messy.

I know others have been having a hard time tempting their kitties to eat. Some have whole families of cats who have gone on food strikes. I wanted to suggest this option for them because, hey! It worked for me. I didn't even have to hold the bowl for Dottie..that's something I've been doing for weeks!

Think of the goupy blended stuff as kitty 'milkshakes'. Because that's what the stuff looks like. I remember when I was sick, my mom would make me milkshakes.

Whatever works, right?
BUT…. will she like it tomorrow :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
China doesn't have her canines either (not a whole lot of other teeth either)

What I've found with her is she eats better if I spoon feed her....she can get her whole mouth around the "pile" on the spoon without having to shove her whole head into a bowl
Chris have you used the raised bowls for cats?? I just ordered some--I hope they are good-
Mine have teeth but seniors.
 
Yes, I've seen those but she'd still have to put her head into the bowl....by spoon feeding, I can put a large "pile" in the spoon and she just opens her mouth and "bites" most of the pile off the spoon

If I do put it in a bowl, she won't eat as much unless I sit there and continually "pile it up" so it's easier for her to "bite" into
 
Jeanne, you do have a way of telling a story that is so entertaining and educational! My Menace lost one canine and two other teeth during her recent dental. She is a kibble addict and when she got home, as per vet instructions, I dutifully got the blender out and "crushed" her kibble for her. Well she was having none of that. I kind of wondered if the powdered kibble was now going up her nose instead of into her mouth! But when I put food into her usual fruit nappy size bowl with uncrushed kibble, she seemed to be having difficulties picking up her kibble and wasn't eating much. Too much work I guess. I finally determined that maybe a higher side on the dish might help but wanted something that wasn't going to irritate her whiskers. For several days post op Menace got her food in a glass loaf pan. Worked a charm until she was feeling better! A little imagination and ingenuity goes a long way with our kitties!
 
Oh! Jayla! Those are the bowls I just ordered...and they arrived on Saturday! I LOVE them, and so do the cats. (Not that I'm eating out of them, mind you;))

Those bowls have a little lip on the inside to keep stray bits of food from escaping. And you can get a grip on the stem, to tilt the bowl forward when offering food to a stubborn cat. Stems are good!

Chris, I had tried spoon feeding Dottie because I think it's a good idea, too... but I think I was getting into a tug-of-war with her over food. She wanted me to go away and leave her alone... so I wanted something as sneaky as possible. Dinnertime needed to look like her idea. So far, knock on wood... the bowls are a hit as well as the soup.

But Jayla is right...:nailbiting: She loves her soup now...but will she love it tomorrow? :banghead::cat:
 
I am glad you found a way to encourage her to eat. When Ricky (GA) had all of his teeth removed, I had to do the same thing until his mouth healed.

My cat Callie has found a solution to sticking her face in her food. She scoops it up in her paw and eats it from there.
 
Great Ideas. I have been trying to get my civvie Chardonnay to eat pate since having her 3 canines pulled last July. She did the exact same thing. She hovers over the bowl and kind of thinks about it for awhile. She'll also tilt her head and stare at it, and sometimes watches my other civvie Chablis eat before she tries.
Sometimes she would just stomp down the basement steps and not even try. I had come to the same conclusion after watching and researching. SHe was having a hard time eating!! :(
She does better with Dry, but I'd like to keep canned food in her diet so I give that to her as well and when I feel she isn't eating either well enough, I syringe feed her. And then making sure I pick up the dry immediately so my Sugar kitty Brandy and my crystal boy Bailey don't get it!! I have some Young Again Zero
on its way, so hopefully we'll have happy eating time soon!! :cat:
 
She picks her food up with her paw? Brilliant! Your cat is an Einstein!

Dottie's still eating well. Gobbled up all her food today. I can finally relax a little, now that I know she's not going to be losing any more weight.

Oh..about the keytones? I took a hard look at my ketostix...they're bad! All grey. And what I was looking at when they were wet with pee? It was just a darker, wetter gray.

I wasn't getting correct readings on them. I will pick up some new ones tomorrow.
 
Yes, I've seen those but she'd still have to put her head into the bowl....by spoon feeding, I can put a large "pile" in the spoon and she just opens her mouth and "bites" most of the pile off the spoon

If I do put it in a bowl, she won't eat as much unless I sit there and continually "pile it up" so it's easier for her to "bite" into

You know what, Chris? Tonight I tried feeding Dottie a bit of her catsoup with a spoon. I enjoyed it..it's very intimate..getting right down eye to eye with your cat, to feed them that way. And I think she kind of liked it too. It maybe even strengthens the owner/pet bond.

So I'll be doing a bit of both.:joyful: What she leaves at the bottom of her bowl, I'll shovel in with the spoon. I just have to be careful not to stick that same spoon in my mouth if I get distracted. The catsoup looks just like chocolate ice cream!o_O
 
But where is the fun in being clean?. :cat:If she did that you wouldn't be there to wipe her off. Attention is a big deal,even negative attention unless it involves getting poked or injected Especially if it involves making Mommy jump through hoops. Gotta love kitty logic:)
 
I decided to give this a try tonight. Fern still has his bottom canies but not the top ones. He seemed to be confused by the catsoup. He only ate some after I dropped a piece of chicken in it. As this is their 2nd evening feeding he might not have been hungry. I decided to off them both catsoup and pate. I shall see if any choose to eat more soup before the AM.
 
Sometimes you have to get then startwd by allowing them to get a lick off your finger. And a lot of kitties like to eat from spoons. Chris does well by feeding China like this. And on occasion I feed Dottie ffrom a spoon. Each cat responds in a different way.
 
You know what, Chris? Tonight I tried feeding Dottie a bit of her catsoup with a spoon. I enjoyed it..it's very intimate..getting right down eye to eye with your cat, to feed them that way. And I think she kind of liked it too. It maybe even strengthens the owner/pet bond.

I totally agree with you...and it's very satisfying to watch them eat well too! I always feel better when China eats more than a few licks
 
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