Took Calley to the vet.......

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Kris10mo

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The new vet did a full blood test and the results showed......NOTHING. Everything is normal except the BG which was 377 at noon.

He said that Calley is slightly dehydrated but otherwise does not look that bad. She has lost two lbs since being at the vet last and is now 9lbs.

He wants me to do a curve tomorrow and call him with the numbers on Monday. He thinks that Calley should be in the 3 unit/2x daily range instead of just at .5 based on her size/weight.

He also told me to stop feeding her so much as it makes the bg numbers fluctuate so much during the day. He said to feed her at each shot time only.

I asked about the vomiting and he believes it is just due to the diabetes being unregulated. And since it is only in the mornings after her first meal.....it has to be related to food. She does not vomit the rest of the day.

He was impressed that I home test and he said to do it as much as possible and that with my testing he will help me get the insulin to where it needs to be. I liked this vet.
 
Happy to hear that norhing serius is wrong.

I know sometimes it is best to do what proffessionels are telling you, but this is not one of those times. The vets advise regarding dose and only two meals a day are really bad and will not help your kitty.

First of all, you cant decide the dose from the cats weight. My cat Prop is 12 pounds. She gets 0,1 unit of levemir twice aday. Right now at + 4 her number are 65. If i took your vets advise she would have more than 3 U of levemir twice a day. And soon go into hypo.

About the food. Diabetes in cats should be treated likediabetes in humans. No doc would tell a diabetic human to only eat two big meals a day. They are told to eat several small meals.

About cutting the meal sizes smaller. Dont do it. Her diabetes is unregulated, she should eat as much as she needs. If you cut sizes, her body will eat her muscles instead and she will get all kinds of difficulties.

Continue the track that Mel has set up for you, it will get better. The 0,5 unit might be more in time, but you are doing it the right way.

About the vomiting, try a change of food. My cat also vomits when i serve certain kinds of food. Maybe it istime for a change.
 
I am going to do the curve tomorrow and see what numbers I get from her. I went and bought several other varieties of pate today....none of them fish based. The lab report did have a slightly higher EOS value and after researching that it says it could be an allergy or parasite. Since I had her poos tested and it came out clean I think it might be an allergy. So I got non-seafood variety of pate.

I do think that maybe I am overfeeding Calley and that might be why she is vomiting...maybe not the only reason, but it might contribute to it. I've been feeding her upwards of 7 meals a day.....maybe she is overeating and making herself sick?

She only vomits in the morning.

I'm not changing the units yet. Will see what happens with the curve and what the vet recommends as well as listening to Mel too.
 
Try with four meals, every 6 hours. No food the last to hours before shot time if it is possible.
Try feeding the same amount at each meal. My cat gets 50 grams every 6 hours,but she is well regulated, your cat will need maybe doble up, 100 grams.
 
The curve will tell us a lot. Well... it will tell Mel a lot. I agree with Charlotte that Calley may have a food allergy but you are already looking at that. I think 4 meals a day is a good schedule. I give two big ones with two snacks in between. I worry about only feeding Calley 2 meals a day while she is losing weight. Maybe if you give snack size meals in between, you can still placate her raging appetite.
 
I held off on feeding her and then she vomited. So now I think that maybe she needs to have food in her belly so her tummy isn't so irritated? Does that make sense? Yes, I know I'm all over the place.....just like Calley.

I'm buying the large cans of pate. Should she be eating a whole 13 oz can per day?......divided up between two larger meals at shot times and two mini meals?

Yeah...I'm not increasing the dose yet. And certainly not to 3 units. I think that the vet meant that in time It might need to go that high.

I'm just glad that Calley is ok and that nothing else major is wrong with her.
 
When you say a change of food, do you mean just a change of flavor or try a whole new brand of food? I went and got her some non fish Pate flavors. If they are easier on her tummy, how soon will the vomiting stop?

I just looked up from the laptop and see Calley sprawled out on a chair in the DR....looking peaceful at sleep. :)
 
Just an idea maybe when you feed in the am when she does her vomit try test, feed small amount shoot and then 20 minutes later the rest of her morning meal or wait and shoot after her meal is done. I have one guy the eats too fast and it all comes back up so I give small meals wait a bit and give the rest. Also small meals 4-5 times a day made a big difference with Trey ...when his numbers were high he was starving but as his numbers lower less food. Hugssssssssssss ~O) :YMSIGH: Just sharing....Kath tons of healing green light to your girl!!!!
 
A whole 13 oz can would be a lot for my cat, who is at a healthy weight at 11-12lbs, but her diabetes is also controlled. Each of my cats eats about 7.5oz of food a day, split into two meals of roughly 3oz at shot times and 1.5oz at +6 during the day only. She had higher than average BG overnight unlike most cats, so skipping the overnight just happened to work alright for her.
 
Yes I think the idea of very small meals is the way I need to go. I'm beginning to think it is a scarf and barf thing. Calley just vomited all over the LR and DR.....huge amount of brown water. After she just ate very watered down beef flavored pate.

So I am going to do the small...and I do mean small meal thing first thing in the am and see how it goes. I don't know how I'm going to do that when I go back to teaching in a few weeks. I leave the house at 7am and won't get home until 6pm and I have no one to help during that time.

I am hoping and praying I can get her feeling better before then....please pray everyone.

Thanks for the continued support and sharing of information. I am the weakest link in this whole diabetes dance. And poor Calley is the one suffering because of it. :(
 
Try for at day not to put any water in her food. I dont put much in, just a little. The amount she eat and all the water you put in soinds like way to much. Just test aday without water to see if it has something to do with it.
 
Here is an idea that works for me. Try putting down a pate food that Calley doesnt like. I do this before I leave for work and by golly it's always gone by the time I get home.

Some people use timer feeders. My civvie destroyed mine :lol:
 
Another idea is to freeze 1/2 sm can size feeding and put it down before you leave will take a while for it to thaw I do this if I can`t be home for a long period. cat(2)_steam confused_cat :razz: Hugssss Kath
 
All good suggestions ladies. However.....I haven't found a food that Calley won't eat. lol. These days she is eating things that I never would have imagined her eating. Like lettuce right out of my salad plate at dinner time, pizza crust that my little one left out unattended, a chocolate chip cookie, etc. So far there is nothing that I have bought that she hasn't eaten.

I will try the frozen pate cube thing....but I fear she will eat that frozen instead of waiting for it to thaw. lol. My cat is HUNGRY..... :o

I WILL stop the water in the food for a day and see what that does for things.

I will hit the jackpot with the right combination that works for her....I hope. And soon.
 
Hi Kris,

Just a note about Lantus and vets. Lantus is a human insulin and not approved for veterinary use in the US. It is the preferred insulin for Cats in Canada, Australia and some European countries.

Because FDA guidelines are strict the drug reps for Lantus and Levemir cannot provide information to vets in the US. When your vet is talking about basing Lantus dose on the weight of the cat, it tells me that he is used to working with non shed insulins. Lantus is dosed on the nadir which is where the insulin is peaking and you get the lowest BG number.

So it will be good to see your curve tomorrow and see where Calley's nadir is.

Another tip for scarf and barf kitties is to take a large plate with a rim and put a bowl upside down in the center. Put the food around the bowl. It should slow her eating down as she will have to move around the plate.

Best of luck,

Claudia
 
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