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Jill & Alex (GA)

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we have a really nice system in place in this ISG. we link to the previous day's thread every day. this makes it easy for people like yourself who bop in every once in awhile to familiarize yourself with a cat (and caregiver's) history before commenting or offering advice. you know, stuff like what's already been recommended and/or discussions around a caregiver's life, schedule, abilities, etc. makes sense, don't ya think?

please take advantage of the system. making informed suggestions/recommendations with an awareness of the particular situations/circumstances of each caregiver & cat tends to ruffle less feathers...
 
Jill,
I have posted nothing incorrect, have I? If I have, can you please kindly point the statements out to me, and I will clarify or retract.

The info I have posted was in context to the owner's cat's situations.

If I see a situation, when looking at a ss, that could have used some advice I did not see, or if I see something that could lead to a problem, such as dosing R at a +10.5, is it incorrect to mention that the best dosing for R was as taught to me by Jojo, and that would be at ps and +5 or +6. I was taught by Jojo, Carolyn, and Lorna. The best.

If I see that an owner is still going with lower increases after passing the 10u dose, should I not mention the percentage of the 0.5u increase being negligible at that point, or that holding a dose too long for an insulin resistant cat can lead to the cat's dose climbing higher than needed?

Can I not share my experience from caring for cats with IAA only if I see a ss which looks very similar? Is it wrong to stress the resistance?

I would expect that members who have certain experiences and knowledge would be allowed to share with those who may most benefit.

I was not aware that one must know the full history of a member before being allowed to post advice.
My advice applied to each owner; I did view the ss for each, and have seen most of them several times in the past.
The advice that one is given would be reflected in the ss I believe. The ss is to be the story, the history, of the cat, or so it once was on the old board - which is no longer viewable at all.

My concerns are for the cats; you know that. The ruffled feathers? Cats have no feathers.

Gayle
 
it's all in the delivery, gayle. the delivery and the fact that you don't take the time to learn the history... and yes it's important to know what's been discussed and what hasn't and for what reasons. instead you tend to spout information like it's never been heard of or discussed. lol!
you asked julie not to make assumptions and yet you do the same?

you're good gayle, but if everything is so innocent as you imply... you wouldn't be alienating people every time you visit this board. there wouldn't be complaints every time you visit.

so yes, mind the feathers and stop ruffling them... if you're truly sincere about wanting to help.

make sense? :mrgreen:
 
I would like to add 2 more cents... Gayle, I think you and I are in a similar boat right now. I'm not here every day (I'm not even here every week), so most of the caregivers here do not have a clue who I am or what experience I have. Like you, I lurk, and if I see something that I need to add or if I see something starting to go very wrong, I will step in. I'm guessing that is why all of us are posting in certain condos right now.

The thing is, if someone a person doesn't even know pops into a condo and starts saying things that contradict what they have been hearing every day from people they DO trust, you have to get them to trust you and understand WHY you are giving that contradictory advice. Even if what you are suggesting is indicated by the spreadsheet, it can take a lot of work and a lot of tact to teach the caregiver to see it, especially if others have told them something different. People in LL aren't used to Jojo-speak anymore and most don't respond to that approach. It's why we had to re-write the stickies. Take it slow, be patient, understand what limitations and concerns they have already expressed. The cat will only benefit if you get the caregiver to understand what you are saying so they will act.

If you take it slow and explain yourself, then another benefit might be that the people who are helping in the forum daily might start to learn too. No promises there, but it's worth a try. I know I like to learn new things. I really do study and try to understand when somebody says something that goes against what I believe.

I have to admit, I'm scratching my head about the advice to give R at PS and half that dose at +6. Giving R at+5 or +6 with Lantus only makes sense if that cat's nadir has already passed (it could make sense for a high dose cat whose numbers aren't even moving at all yet, as long as you make clear to the caregiver that once numbers start to move, their strategy will probably have to change). It also doesn't make sense to me to give more R at a time in the cycle when the Lantus is working, then give less R after the Lantus wears off.

Jojo taught me to start trying R *after* the nadir, when you could get more clear data because the Lantus or Levemir is exerting less influence on the system. Once I had that data, I could decide when in the cycle it made sense to use R. For my cats, it made sense to use it after nadir/before preshot, to help cover that end of cycle rise and to help cover the food spike. And Jojo did help me with Jazzy and encouraged my R use after +8 and +9 (Levemir cat). I see your mention in the other condo that giving R at +10.5 would skew the PS. My thought is "yes, that's the point! I don't want to see the high PS, keep the PS down so the Lantus can work better." I think +8 or +9 is probably more ideal, but if I came home from work at +10 and saw a high number, why wouldn't I go ahead and shoot some R to at least try to hold the number flat until PS? I'd rather have a PS of 300 than 600.

I try to teach people the same way she taught me - learn your cat's Lantus/Lev cycles, learn your cat's R cycles, then lay the two cycles on top of each other to figure out when you can use R. In some cases you are using it to gently pull down a high number, in other cases you are using it to *prevent* a high number that you know is inevitable.
 
I truly appreciate your replies, and do know that you know my history, and experience, as well as my lack of bedside coddling.

Unfortunately, I do not have the opportunity to be on this board all the time, every day, even to 'lurk', to keep up on all of the histories, just to offer a few lines of suggestions.
Several days or even weeks may go by before I will remember to just sign in and do a cursory glance for the oddities. The oddities which are getting lost in the niceties.

I don't have experience with general diabetic cats, so my posts would not have much behind them, but insulin resistance, I know well, having owned two cats with acromegaly and IAA, and doing long term caring for other insulin resistant cats in Canada and the US. The only cats for whom I have cared have acromegaly, IAA, and health issues related to same. I am not seeing sufficient support for the current resistant cats on FDMB, and that fact concerns me because the cats are suffering needlessly.

Since the old FDMB board is no longer accessible, too much valuable history and knowledge seem to have been irretrievably lost including my posting when I first joined with Shadoe, as well as all the golden guidance I received from Jojo and others. Too much has been lost, leaving a weak facsimile of FDMB's original heart and spark.

Attempts to share what has been gained through months and years of struggles and experiments and sharing is lost on those who are not receptive. Watching their struggles, I find painful, but I will accept their choices to repeat our similar struggles from years past.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Gayle
 
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